Oregon community college shooting, multiple casualties

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diehardbiker

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Yeah, WDYS, schools generally have better access to resources than parents have, yet nothing is being done. Parents alone does not have enough resources to get help. Perhaps, mother gave up and drop a bomb in hope to wake up the society. Sure, the society woke up, but on the wrong side of bed.
 

whatdidyousay!

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You can use your edit button and delete all that white space and ads. It's not hard; I do it all the time. It just takes a little time. :)
I tried that but I been having trouble with my computer .


It said in my post the shooter locked himself in his bedroom for 2 months and I guess he didn't eat the whole b/c he only weight 112 lbs. Not eating that long would made
anyone crazy ! And his mother should had called 911 and had the police get take him . He would had been forced fed and locked up for awhile . The mother only has herself to blame for her death !
 

Reba

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http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/21/justice/newtown-shooter-adam-lanza-report/

This is very disturbing at how many red flags were missed about
a lot of people.

Story highlights

Report on Newtown shooter Adam Lanza identifies "warning signs, red flags"
It says Lanza's mother, school district and many others missed opportunities
Report relies on extensive documentation and interviews with Lanza's educators, doctors

Newtown shooter Adam Lanza was an isolated young man with deteriorating mental health and a fascination for mass violence whose problems were not ignored but misunderstood and mistreated, according to a report released Friday by a Connecticut state agency.

The 114-page report released by the Connecticut Office of the Child Advocate profiled the developmental and educational history of Lanza, the young man who carried out the mass killings at Sandy Hook Elementary School on December 14, 2012. The report noted "missed opportunities" by Lanza's mother, the school district, and multiple health care providers. It identified "warning signs, red flags, or other lessons that could be learned from a review of [Lanza's] life."

The authors of the report relied on extensive documentation and interviews with Lanza's educators and doctors, as well as email exchanges between Lanza and his parents, to make their determinations and recommendations.

The report was dedicated to the 20 first-graders who died at Sandy Hook Elementary School on December 14, 2012. Six educators and the shooter's mother were also killed in the tragedy that shook the nation to its core and spurred a national debate over gun violence and mental health.

Days before

Lanza had not left his room in his mother's Newtown home for three months before the massacre.

He was anorexic, the report said, and weighed only 112 pounds the day he died, despite being 6 feet tall.

He kept his room locked and his windows blacked out with plastic garbage bags -- communicating little with the outside world, and with his mother only over email.

Lanza did find correspondents virtually, in an online cybercommunity of mass murder enthusiasts. In an email dated December 11, 2012, three days before his attack, Lanza wrote to an unnamed chatter: "The inexplicable mystery to me isn't how there are massacres, but rather how there aren't 100,000 of them every year."

Despite sharing her worries about her son's condition with friends, the report said it does not appear Lanza's mother, Nancy Lanza, communicated any concerns to mental health or medical professionals in her final months.

And while the report determined that Lanza was not "obviously psychotic" in the time leading up to the shooting, the authors concluded that Lanza "appears to have been on a path to violence for some time."

Early development problems

The earliest record of Lanza's budding developmental problems appeared in an early intervention pediatric evaluation just before his 3rd birthday that indicated Lanza displayed "significantly delayed development of articulation and expressive language skills," and "fell well below expectations in social-personal development."

Lanza received special education support in preschool, where through age 5 he made up his own language and was reported to at times "sit and hit his head repeatedly," the report said.

Adam enrolled in Sandy Hook Elementary School in the first grade after his family moved to Newtown, the report said. Here, he continued to receive treatment for speech articulation problems, though the report showed that his special education classes were slowly phased out as his social interactions with his peers improved.

"The frequency and duration of services provided should be considered minimal," the report said, "and likely did not have a significant impact for AL's developmental trajectory."

The report concluded that Lanza's treatment suffered from a continual misguided focus on individual symptomatic intervention -- as with Lanza's articulation problems -- while "the larger issue of expressive communication received little attention, as did other aspects of his rituals and sensory sensitivity."

Lanza was completely integrated into the regular classroom in fourth grade, and by fifth grade, Lanza transferred into a new school, the Reed Intermediate School for grades five and six.

It was during this late elementary school period that major mental health red flags were raised, the report said.

'The Big Book of Granny'

Lanza and an unnamed co-author penned "The Big Book of Granny" for a fifth-grade project. The spiral-bound comic-book style piece, with a purple cover, was made up of violent stories, according to the report, "filled with images and narrative relating child murder, cannibalism and taxidermy."

"'The Big Book of Granny' can only be described as extremely abhorrent and, if it had been carefully reviewed by school staff, it would have suggested the need for a referral to a child psychiatrist or other mental health professional for evaluation," the report said.

Warning signs like the book and Lanza's increasing anxiety were improperly addressed by Lanza's mother and educators, the report said. It noted, however, that "teachers may have limited training or expertise to identify or respond to a student who may be progressing academically but who is also exhibiting difficulties in social emotional development" and urged additional training.

Denial

In a September 2005 visit to the Danbury Hospital Emergency Room for a crisis evaluation, Nancy Lanza described her son to the health care providers as "having had 'borderline autism' in the past, but having since outgrown it," the report said.

After evaluation, the hospital crisis team discussed recommendations for therapeutic support and additional psychiatric evaluation, though Nancy Lanza declined the recommendations, stating that Adam "would be 'better off' at home."

"The record seems to indicate that they cared deeply, that they tried," Dr. Harold Schwartz, a Hartford psychiatrist who co-wrote the report, told reporters in a teleconference, "but it's not clear that the depth of the issues were recognized and so their response, especially the response of Mrs. Lanza, could appear like denial."

The report concluded that a pattern of accommodation to Lanza's mental health conditions -- rather than addressing his underlying needs -- by Nancy Lanza and certain health care providers, exacerbated Lanza's mental status.

The report singled out a period of homebound education during which Lanza was taken out of school during his eighth-grade year as an especially dangerous health care decision that contributed to his isolation and deterioration.

"The level of isolation, disconnect and socialization that we know kids enjoy as part of their education becomes totally lost and that's a piece of what we see in AL's life," said Faith VosWinkel, an assistant child advocate and co-author.

The report concluded that Lanza's homebound placement was "inappropriate and nontherapeutic" and recommended a review of homebound status education and asked the state to consider an audit of existing homebound practices.

Treatment

The report did single out positive health care intervention: "Of the couple of providers that saw AL, only one -- the Yale Child Study Center -- seemed to appreciate the gravity of AL's presentation, his need for extensive mental health and special education supports, and the critical need for medication to ease his obsessive-compulsive symptoms."

Calls for medication went unheeded by Nancy Lanza, however, whom the authors described as accommodating to her son's aversion to medication.

The report ultimately determines that Lanza's mental health issues may have extended past autism to include anxiety disorder, obsessive-compulsive disorder and suicidal disorder.

The report says there is "no connection ... between [Lanza's] developmental profile and an increased likelihood of violent actions." And that his "access to assault weapons with high capacity magazines did play a major role."

The report also noted that it appeared Nancy Lanza made no effort to curtail her son's access to guns in the house in the months leading up to the shooting, despite Adam's severe mental deterioration.

"While we describe the predisposing factors and compounding stresses in [Lanza's] life, we do not conclude that they add up to an inevitable arc leading to mass murder," the report concluded. "In the end, only he, and he alone, bears responsibility for this monstrous act."
 

seb

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I tried that but I been having trouble with my computer .


It said in my post the shooter locked himself in his bedroom for 2 months and I guess he didn't eat the whole b/c he only weight 112 lbs. Not eating that long would made
anyone crazy ! And his mother should had called 911 and had the police get take him . He would had been forced fed and locked up for awhile . The mother only has herself to blame for her death !
He was crazy before he locked himself up in his room. He was a super picky eater and his weight before locking himself in his room was about the same according to the neighbors who saw him, but rarely.
 

Reba

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South Carolina already has a law prohibiting mentally ill people from buying guns:

http://www.abcnews4.com/story/22156590/gov-haley-signs-law-to-keep-guns-from-mentally-ill

". . . SLED has been collecting that data since the law's passage in 2013, which gave the state's courts until this month to submit its past decade's records.

Approximately 46,000 entries have been submitted by SLED to the FBI's national database, which is used to conduct background checks for gun purchases.

As a result of that new data entry, 136 firearms purchases in the state were blocked, according to SLED.

Another 21 out-of-state firearm purchases also were prevented and more than 100 concealed weapons permits were revoked…."

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20140802/PC16/140809866/more-than-100-mentally-ill-south-carolinians-stopped-from-buying-guns-in-last-year
 

whatdidyousay!

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He was crazy before he locked himself up in his room. He was a super picky eater and his weight before locking himself in his room was about the same according to the neighbors who saw him, but rarely.
I know he had mental health issues ! I was saying not eating would made anyone crazy . He had to lost more weight during his 2 month fast .
 

whatdidyousay!

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Story highlights

Report on Newtown shooter Adam Lanza identifies "warning signs, red flags"
It says Lanza's mother, school district and many others missed opportunities
Report relies on extensive documentation and interviews with Lanza's educators, doctors

Newtown shooter Adam Lanza was an isolated young man with deteriorating mental health and a fascination for mass violence whose problems were not ignored but misunderstood and mistreated, according to a report released Friday by a Connecticut state agency.

The 114-page report released by the Connecticut Office of the Child Advocate profiled the developmental and educational history of Lanza, the young man who carried out the mass killings at Sandy Hook Elementary School on December 14, 2012. The report noted "missed opportunities" by Lanza's mother, the school district, and multiple health care providers. It identified "warning signs, red flags, or other lessons that could be learned from a review of [Lanza's] life."

The authors of the report relied on extensive documentation and interviews with Lanza's educators and doctors, as well as email exchanges between Lanza and his parents, to make their determinations and recommendations.

The report was dedicated to the 20 first-graders who died at Sandy Hook Elementary School on December 14, 2012. Six educators and the shooter's mother were also killed in the tragedy that shook the nation to its core and spurred a national debate over gun violence and mental health.

Days before

Lanza had not left his room in his mother's Newtown home for three months before the massacre.

He was anorexic, the report said, and weighed only 112 pounds the day he died, despite being 6 feet tall.

He kept his room locked and his windows blacked out with plastic garbage bags -- communicating little with the outside world, and with his mother only over email.

Lanza did find correspondents virtually, in an online cybercommunity of mass murder enthusiasts. In an email dated December 11, 2012, three days before his attack, Lanza wrote to an unnamed chatter: "The inexplicable mystery to me isn't how there are massacres, but rather how there aren't 100,000 of them every year."

Despite sharing her worries about her son's condition with friends, the report said it does not appear Lanza's mother, Nancy Lanza, communicated any concerns to mental health or medical professionals in her final months.

And while the report determined that Lanza was not "obviously psychotic" in the time leading up to the shooting, the authors concluded that Lanza "appears to have been on a path to violence for some time."

Early development problems

The earliest record of Lanza's budding developmental problems appeared in an early intervention pediatric evaluation just before his 3rd birthday that indicated Lanza displayed "significantly delayed development of articulation and expressive language skills," and "fell well below expectations in social-personal development."

Lanza received special education support in preschool, where through age 5 he made up his own language and was reported to at times "sit and hit his head repeatedly," the report said.

Adam enrolled in Sandy Hook Elementary School in the first grade after his family moved to Newtown, the report said. Here, he continued to receive treatment for speech articulation problems, though the report showed that his special education classes were slowly phased out as his social interactions with his peers improved.

"The frequency and duration of services provided should be considered minimal," the report said, "and likely did not have a significant impact for AL's developmental trajectory."

The report concluded that Lanza's treatment suffered from a continual misguided focus on individual symptomatic intervention -- as with Lanza's articulation problems -- while "the larger issue of expressive communication received little attention, as did other aspects of his rituals and sensory sensitivity."

Lanza was completely integrated into the regular classroom in fourth grade, and by fifth grade, Lanza transferred into a new school, the Reed Intermediate School for grades five and six.

It was during this late elementary school period that major mental health red flags were raised, the report said.

'The Big Book of Granny'

Lanza and an unnamed co-author penned "The Big Book of Granny" for a fifth-grade project. The spiral-bound comic-book style piece, with a purple cover, was made up of violent stories, according to the report, "filled with images and narrative relating child murder, cannibalism and taxidermy."

"'The Big Book of Granny' can only be described as extremely abhorrent and, if it had been carefully reviewed by school staff, it would have suggested the need for a referral to a child psychiatrist or other mental health professional for evaluation," the report said.

Warning signs like the book and Lanza's increasing anxiety were improperly addressed by Lanza's mother and educators, the report said. It noted, however, that "teachers may have limited training or expertise to identify or respond to a student who may be progressing academically but who is also exhibiting difficulties in social emotional development" and urged additional training.

Denial

In a September 2005 visit to the Danbury Hospital Emergency Room for a crisis evaluation, Nancy Lanza described her son to the health care providers as "having had 'borderline autism' in the past, but having since outgrown it," the report said.

After evaluation, the hospital crisis team discussed recommendations for therapeutic support and additional psychiatric evaluation, though Nancy Lanza declined the recommendations, stating that Adam "would be 'better off' at home."

"The record seems to indicate that they cared deeply, that they tried," Dr. Harold Schwartz, a Hartford psychiatrist who co-wrote the report, told reporters in a teleconference, "but it's not clear that the depth of the issues were recognized and so their response, especially the response of Mrs. Lanza, could appear like denial."

The report concluded that a pattern of accommodation to Lanza's mental health conditions -- rather than addressing his underlying needs -- by Nancy Lanza and certain health care providers, exacerbated Lanza's mental status.

The report singled out a period of homebound education during which Lanza was taken out of school during his eighth-grade year as an especially dangerous health care decision that contributed to his isolation and deterioration.

"The level of isolation, disconnect and socialization that we know kids enjoy as part of their education becomes totally lost and that's a piece of what we see in AL's life," said Faith VosWinkel, an assistant child advocate and co-author.

The report concluded that Lanza's homebound placement was "inappropriate and nontherapeutic" and recommended a review of homebound status education and asked the state to consider an audit of existing homebound practices.

Treatment

The report did single out positive health care intervention: "Of the couple of providers that saw AL, only one -- the Yale Child Study Center -- seemed to appreciate the gravity of AL's presentation, his need for extensive mental health and special education supports, and the critical need for medication to ease his obsessive-compulsive symptoms."

Calls for medication went unheeded by Nancy Lanza, however, whom the authors described as accommodating to her son's aversion to medication.

The report ultimately determines that Lanza's mental health issues may have extended past autism to include anxiety disorder, obsessive-compulsive disorder and suicidal disorder.

The report says there is "no connection ... between [Lanza's] developmental profile and an increased likelihood of violent actions." And that his "access to assault weapons with high capacity magazines did play a major role."

The report also noted that it appeared Nancy Lanza made no effort to curtail her son's access to guns in the house in the months leading up to the shooting, despite Adam's severe mental deterioration.

"While we describe the predisposing factors and compounding stresses in [Lanza's] life, we do not conclude that they add up to an inevitable arc leading to mass murder," the report concluded. "In the end, only he, and he alone, bears responsibility for this monstrous act."
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seb

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I know he had mental health issues ! I was saying not eating would made anyone crazy . He had to lost more weight during his 2 month fast .
He didn't fast for two months, just stayed in his room, also Reba already reposted your post for you.
 

seb

Well-Known Member
What some schools do:
So I guess they have someone with the gun at the ready incase someone bursts through the door as the shooter in Roseburg, OR did? The professor was the first one shot as the shooter entered the room.
 

Reba

Retired Terp
Premium Member
So I guess they have someone with the gun at the ready incase someone bursts through the door as the shooter in Roseburg, OR did? The professor was the first one shot as the shooter entered the room.
That professor wasn't the only adult at the college who could have been armed.

Nothing is 100 percent guaranteed but at least there should be a chance.
 

seb

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That professor wasn't the only adult at the college who could have been armed.

Nothing is 100 percent guaranteed but at least there should be a chance.
The problem with all these shootings the element of surprise blows being prepared out of the water and even if you have someone with a gun nearby, by the time they react many people can already be dead.

Even in Jonny's example shown here, every one that actually had a shooting take place and not everyone did, by the time someone realized what had happened and reacted the shooting was over and the shooter had either left the scene, killed themselves or was apprehended by a law enforcement officer or in a few cases some civilian with a gun. In all the cases if the shooter was going to shoot, they shot the the people they wanted to and were done before anyone did anything.

Originally Posted by jonnyghost View Post
Want hard proof? Mass shootings stopped by armed citizens:
Pearl High School 1997
Parker Middle School 1998
Appalachian School of Law 2002
New Life Church 2007
New York Mills AT&T Store 2010
Sullivan Central High School 2010
Freewill Baptist Church 2012
Clackamas Town Center Mall 2012
Mystic Strip Club 2014
Austin, Texas Construction Site 2014
Cache Valley Hospital 2014
Mercy Fitzgerald Hospital 2014
 
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jonnyghost

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No one would argue that prevention is best but you will not eliminate all of these types of situations. You have to be prepared to deal with them when they come. Yes, people will get hurt and people will die. The idea is to minimize the damage.

It's not a safe world out there and you have to maintain a minimal amount of situational awareness. It's the first step in any kind of protection/safety/defense. There are steps that can be taken to increase situational awareness.


The problem with all these shootings the element of surprise blows being prepared out of the water and even if you have someone with a gun nearby, by the time they react many people can already be dead.

Even in Jonny's example shown here, every one that actually had a shooting take place and not everyone did, by the time someone realized what had happened and reacted the shooting was over and the victim had either left the scene, killed themselves or was apprehended by a law enforcement officer or in a few cases some civilian with a gun. In all the cases if the shooter was going to shoot, they shot the the people they wanted to and were done before anyone did anything.

Originally Posted by jonnyghost View Post
Want hard proof? Mass shootings stopped by armed citizens:
Pearl High School 1997
Parker Middle School 1998
Appalachian School of Law 2002
New Life Church 2007
New York Mills AT&T Store 2010
Sullivan Central High School 2010
Freewill Baptist Church 2012
Clackamas Town Center Mall 2012
Mystic Strip Club 2014
Austin, Texas Construction Site 2014
Cache Valley Hospital 2014
Mercy Fitzgerald Hospital 2014
 
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