Marriage or Civil Union

Which you would choice?

  • Same-sex Marriage

    Votes: 35 53.8%

  • Civil Union

    Votes: 19 29.2%

  • No answer or other

    Votes: 11 16.9%
  • Total voters
    65
PowerON said:
Obama support civil union.
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Oh he does? That would make him no differant to the republicans as I'm aware they are ok about Civil union. Just not ok about Marriage.

Personally speaking I'm all for gay Marriage.
 
dreama said:
Oh he does? That would make him no differant to the republicans as I'm aware they are ok about Civil union. Just not ok about Marriage.

Personally speaking I'm all for gay Marriage.
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Not really, most republicans against civil unions because of union with gay rights.
 
Honestly, I prefer woman and a man marraige, but speaking of the same sex like man to man or woman to woman same sex marriage is their business. For me I prefer to be married to man the opposite sex. :)
 
well. I don't sword-fight so... :cool2:
 
Mrs Bucket said:
In Canada, same sex marriages are recognised.

Did you know that if you entered in to a civil union, your partner is dying in a hospital room, you would not be granted the same rights as a husband/wife. The rights goes back to the partner's parents.

This is where I disagree with. Gender/sexuality should not play a role in marriage and the government has no right to interfere in this as well.
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Thank you for pointing out about Canada.

Many conservatives would say that if they allow gay marriage in the US--our government would collapse.

Folks.....look at Canada. They got same-sex marriage and their country didn't collapse. :roll:
 
I would not base decisions based on what Canada does or does not do. Look how screwed up their economy is? But any way back on topic.

If Gay Civil Unions had all the same legal rights as marriage, what's the problem?

Gays could enjoy the same legal rights as straights and we could also preserve the definition of marriage as between a man and a woman. I believe we should have a distinction in language between gay and straight marriages.

Permit gay Unions to have all the same rights as marriage

yet reserve marriage for a man and a woman.

Now every one should be happy!
 
Pinky, Do you know what's civil unions means? Do you support instead of same-sex marriage?

Or you just treat gay people as mental illness?
 
IndieVisible said:
I would not base decisions based on what Canada does or does not do. Look how screwed up their economy is? But any way back on topic.

If Gay Civil Unions had all the same legal rights as marriage, what's the problem?

Gays could enjoy the same legal rights as straights and we could also preserve the definition of marriage as between a man and a woman. I believe we should have a distinction in language between gay and straight marriages.

Permit gay Unions to have all the same rights as marriage

yet reserve marriage for a man and a woman.

Now every one should be happy!
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Economy has nothing with same-sex marriage.
 
In most cases I say live and let live, but I don't believe gay marriages should be legal. It's against my religion. Civil union, sure whatever, but not marriage in the eyes of God.
I'm sure this will piss some people off but that's my 2 cents and I'm sticking with it.
 
IndieVisible said:
I agree! Neither does what Canada does or does not do.

They hang gays in Iran, does that mean it's ok?
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Yup, It's not ok to hanging on gay people in Iran.

It violate of human rights and equality rights, Iran is under Sharia law like some other countries in middle east.
 
Foxrac said:
Yup, It's not ok to hanging on gay people in Iran.

It violate of human rights and equality rights, Iran is under Sharia law like some other countries in middle east.
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I agree again, it's not ok hanging gays. But if we are to use examples of Canada for argument then why not use countries like Iran?

I think better solution is to just look at USA as our country is different. All we need to do is make Civil Unions include all the same legal rights as marriage and reserve marriage for a man and a woman, and every one should be happy.

But some thing tells me gays will not be happy until they can use the term marriage. I am of the opinion that we need a distinction in language to distinguish between gay and straight marriages. I feel we need to preserve Marriage for a man and a woman. Have some thing equal for gays, but call it different.

What I do not understand is gays like parade how different they are, but now suddenly they want marriage. Why not have gay unions and preserve your difference and we can also preserve marriage?
 
IndieVisible said:
I would not base decisions based on what Canada does or does not do. Look how screwed up their economy is? But any way back on topic.
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Actually their economy is much better than ours , plus their deficit is shrinking at a faster rate than ours.

Foxrac said:
Economy has nothing with same-sex marriage.
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Actually--when California Supreme court legalized gay marriage, in a month's time, more than 40 million dollars was pumped into the California economy by the Gay-Lesbian community spending money on their nuptials.

Gay/Lesbian tend to spend more money than their heterosexual counterparts due to the fact that they have no children. They have more income.

IndieVisible said:
What I do not understand is gays like parade how different they are, but now suddenly they want marriage. Why not have gay unions and preserve your difference and we can also preserve marriage?
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No different than heterosexuals parading around saying "I got married" only to end up in divorce in less than 5 years. Afterall 2 out of 3 heterosexual marriages end in divorce.

Good job on trying to save the institution of marriage when in fact--y'all ruined it. :roll: :lol:
 
Byrdie714 said:
Actually their economy is much better than ours , plus their deficit is shrinking at a faster rate than ours.



Actually--when California Supreme court legalized gay marriage, in a month's time, more than 40 million dollars was pumped into the California economy by the Gay-Lesbian community spending money on their nuptials.

Gay/Lesbian tend to spend more money than their heterosexual counterparts due to the fact that they have no children. They have more income.



No different than heterosexuals parading around saying "I got married" only to end up in divorce in less than 5 years. Afterall 2 out of 3 heterosexual marriages end in divorce.

Good job on trying to save the institution of marriage when in fact--y'all ruined it. :roll: :lol:
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So now you want to use California economy? If it's so good why are they asking for government help? Show link where $40+M was pumped in to economy in just one month from gay marriages :D

As for the parades, I was talking about the gay parades where they walk around half naked dressed like circus clowns and freaks.

So why not give them Gay Unions to bang up, and reserve marriages for straight couples to bang up then?

What's the problem if unions have all the same legal rights?
 
IndieVisible said:
So now you want to use California economy? If it's so good why are they asking for government help? Show link where $40+M was pumped in to economy in just one month from gay marriages :D

As for the parades, I was talking about the gay parades where they walk around half naked dressed like circus clowns and freaks.

So why not give them Gay Unions to bang up, and reserve marriages for straight couples to bang up then?

What's the problem if unions have all the same legal rights?
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I'm so sorry--it's not $40 million--it's $63.8 million that was pumped into the local economies of California.

New York Times link: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/07/us/07marriage.html?ref=smallbusiness

As for the parades--the asnwer is simple, Gay Pride parades are usually in the end of June--another words during the summer time. When the weather is over 80's degree, do you really think that people are going to dress in long sleeve shirts and jeans? No. :roll:

Heterosexuals have been parading around with their marriage license's which virtually means nothing when they end up getting a divorce.

Secondly homosexual couples tend to stay together longer than their heterosexual counterparts due to survival in today's society.

Divorce rates in Massachusetts:

Christian Right Wrong On Gay Marriage in Massachusetts:
Mass Likely To Retain Lowest Divorce Rate Spot In 2005,
States Hostile to Gay Marriage Lag

by Bruce WIlson, Talk To Action

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“….Over two years have passed now since same sex marriage was legalized in Massachusetts, and data from all of 2004 and the first 11 months of 2005 are now available. Emergent trends in Massachusetts amount to a stark indictment of those dire claims about sex marriage cited earlier in this article.

Divorce rates are commonly used as a key measure of marital and family health. US states, including Massachusetts, submit monthly summaries of vital statistics on births, deaths, marriages, and divorces to the US Center For Disease Control’s National Center For Health Statistics ( NCHS ). The NCHS then compiles publicly available monthly and yearly reports of this data. The following statistics are based on that NCHS material.

Divorce rates in the US have been declining steadily since the the early 1980’s. Massachusetts has shared in the trend and traditionally has had a divorce rate considerably lower than the national average. In fact. for several years now the Commonwealth has had the lowest divorce rate of any state in the union.

In 2004 the Massachusetts divorce rate, at 2.2 per 1,000 residents per year, was considerably lower than the US national average rate for that year, 3.8 per 1,000. Indeed, it was lower than the national average rate for 1950 (2.6 per 1,000) and even approached the national rate of 1940 (2 per 1,000).

In 2003, total divorces in Massachusetts declined 2.1% relative to 2002.
But in the first two years of legal same sex marriage in the Bay State, Massachusetts showed a more rapid decline and will very likely hold on to its title as the US state with the lowest divorce rate in the nation. The field is hotly contested — divorce rates have fallen dramatically in the last few decades.

The institution of marriage in Massachusetts, as measured by the rate of divorce, has not been healthier in at least half a century regardless of dire predictions of Christian Right leaders and Catholic Bishops. But the states that have taken aggressive action against same sex marriage, have not done nearly as well during the two year period of legal same sex marriage in Massachusetts.

The preliminary data from 2004 and the first 11 months of 2005 — from the 17 US states which have provided data on divorce for 2004 and 2005 and whose voters also passed state constitutional amendents prohibiting same sex marriage — presents a striking picture : the group of US states arguably most hostile to divorce, those which have passed both state laws and also state constitutional amendments prohibiting same sex marriage, lag dramatically in terms of divorce rate improvement when compared to same sex marriage friendly states.

Among those US states that have no laws on the books specifically prohibiting same sex marriage or civil unions — WY, NM, NY, MA, RI, CT, NJ, MD, VT — the average divorce rate drop ( unadjusted for population changes ) was -8.74%. No states in this group had divorce rate increases in 2004 and 2005.

Among those US states that are most opposed to same sex marriage which have also provided divorce data for the time period — ( alaska ? ) AR, KS, KY, MI, MS, MO, NE, NV, ND, OH, OK, OR, UT, TX — the average divorce rate ( unadjusted for population changes ) for 2004 and the first 11 months of 2005 increased 1.75%. This group contains 4 of the 5 states with the highest divorce rate increases in the US during 2004 and the first 11 months of 2005.

( states in the second group may have on average a higher population growth rate but that will not change the almost 10.5% gap between the two groups more than a few percentage points )

Meanwhile, the one state in the United States Of America that has legal same sex marriage, Massachusetts, will be among the top ten states - or better - with the largest drop in divorce rates in America during 2004 and 2005.
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This article from an anti-gay group! :laugh2:

The arguments against gay marriage are.......moot. :) :P
 
Byrdie714 said:
I'm so sorry--it's not $40 million--it's $63.8 million that was pumped into the local economies of California.

New York Times link: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/07/us/07marriage.html?ref=smallbusiness

As for the parades--the asnwer is simple, Gay Pride parades are usually in the end of June--another words during the summer time. When the weather is over 80's degree, do you really think that people are going to dress in long sleeve shirts and jeans? No. :roll:

Heterosexuals have been parading around with their marriage license's which virtually means nothing when they end up getting a divorce.

Secondly homosexual couples tend to stay together longer than their heterosexual counterparts due to survival in today's society.

Divorce rates in Massachusetts:

Christian Right Wrong On Gay Marriage in Massachusetts:
Mass Likely To Retain Lowest Divorce Rate Spot In 2005,
States Hostile to Gay Marriage Lag

by Bruce WIlson, Talk To Action

Excerpt:



This article from an anti-gay group! :laugh2:

The arguments against gay marriage are.......moot. :) :P
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Sorry your links and facts are hard to follow. I sugesst you link directly to what you are trying to say. I went to the first link and could not find your $60M you spoke of.

Any way reading more of your posts I question your intent here.

Sounds like you are more against Marriage as defined by a man and a woman, in other words you are beginning to sound anti-heterosexual to me.

I am not anti anti gay. I seek a fair and balanced solution. You want to try to trash heterosexual marriage in your attempt to justify gay marriages. IMHO that greatly reduces your credibilty.

If you want to argue for gay marriage, I suggest you do it with out trashing heterosexual marriages. Otherwise you will only be talking to yourself. :)
 
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