OK, That's why I was puzzled in the first place. BTW, FCC's new law will require all new DVD/BD players to include a built-in CC decoder starting in 2014 hopefully so we will be able to play DVDs with CC through HDMI.Ah, Mr. CrazyPaul, I misread your question. Neither of these players has a built-in CC decoder. In fact, I've never seen any player, DVD nor Bluray, which did that (although I've heard rumors of one DVD player in the distant past). The players I posted above simply transmit the CC data found on the disc on line 21 of the composite video output. Not all players do, which has been the case with DVD players as well.