Discussion in 'General Chat' started by yizuman, Dec 21, 2010.
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Here's the thing, Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, it already has overtaken the Christian/Catholic population. If this keeps up in say in the next 100 years or so, the entire world will be entirely Muslim. It already has taken more than a foothold in European countries.
How many of you would like the idea of praying 5 times a day, have your women wear burkas (covering from head to toe)? Watch homosexuals being executed (UN General Assembly Votes To Allow Gays To Be Executed Without Cause | The New Civil Rights Movement
Live in constant fear under the Sharia law whereas just about anything can get you executed if you're not careful? You won't be allowed to change religion when converted, etc.
Slowly, already two Muslims in the House of Congress have already been elected in office here in the States (None in Senate....yet!).
Keith Ellison got elected to the US House of Representatives as the first Muslim. Keith Ellison was a Democratic state senator from Minnesota and was elected from the fifth congressional district.
American Muslim community is elated at the election of another Muslim to the US Congress. On March 11, Indiana voters elected Andre Carson to the Congress. He became the second Muslim chosen to in the U.S. history.
There's already elected officials in Britain that are Muslim.
My Pastor had a visitor from Afghanistan that runs underground churches there, who told us that the Muslims already has a 100 year plan in motion to convert the United States into a Muslim country and the only way to do it is to move to America, have LOTS of babies, populate their people all over the country and eventually get them all elected into offices across the board. Then the takeover will then be complete once they start passing bills with Islamic Laws in place. (I'll prolly be dead and long gone before that happens)
Are we ready for this or should we resist them?
This thread could very easily take us down a religious discussion, which, isn't allowed here in AD.
You mean make war on them? We already are. Sighhhh...
War against Islam? No, that's not the theme. War against terrorism? Yes, that's what is it currently about at this point. But war against Islam in the future? Maybe, one can't say for sure.
Too ridiculas to even warrant a reply. Especially the labeling as someone as "left" simply because they have tolerance for different belief systems.:roll: I'm gonna stop now before I say something insulting.
So tempted to pull examples from the Balkans, Africa and Central America to show Islam isn't the only "barbaric" religion with insanely religious laws that won't see the light of day in the United States.
Instead of attacking the religion as a whole, maybe analyze the regions? And find out why certain sects and groups behave in such a way?
Islam in Canada is not even remotely the same as Islam in the violate Middle East. Islam in surrounding Central Asian countries such as Kazakhstan are not the same as Iran, Chechnya and Afghanistan... all one has to do is speak to the Islamic Persian and Afghan refugees who fled the prosecuting government in their homelands and seeked asylum within Canadian and American borders.
If you have to fear Islamic fundamentalism, then you must fear Christian fundamentalism as well. Why? They have the same root causes, just different regions. European Muslims embraced Islamic fundamentalism often in poverty, just like how improvised Americans and Canadians embraced Christian fundamentalism. Extreme situations tend to call for radical interpretations.
See the type of religion isn't the danger here, the danger lies in the unstable environment people live in such as war zones or poverty zones.
What are "the same root causes" of Islamic fundamentalism and Christian fundamentalism?
What are "improvised Americans and Canadians?"
X2 What a complete load of garbage. Completely fabricated argument from top to bottom.
We covered this in "Religions of the World" and in "Withcraft and the Occult" in university. Standard stuff in lectures and in textbooks to understand why certain movements are appealing to people. Fundamentalism in the South and Western Canada gained its initial appeal and base among those who lived under the poverty line. No different from Muslims who live under the poverty line in Europe turning to more literal interpretations of the texts. You see similar movements in poor countries as well, Christians and Muslims alike.
Thanks for the link but it doesn't answer my question. It's just a list of random pdf's.
It doesn't answer the question I asked about your original statement, "If you have to fear Islamic fundamentalism, then you must fear Christian fundamentalism as well. Why? They have the same root causes, just different regions."
What same root causes do the two religions have that should cause us to fear them equally? Are you talking about the roots of those religions from centuries ago, or for current followers? What things about those "roots" are fearsome?
You must have some reason for making that statement other than a search engine list.
Religions start out with sets of fundamental beliefs. As time goes by, groups deviate from the fundamentals. Fundamentalist Christians are those who have stuck with the fundamentals of the faith since the beginning, almost 2,000 years ago. We've always turned to the literal interpretations of the texts. It's denominations who have added and subtracted from the original texts and doctrines who have either moved away from the fundamentals of their faith, or created new beliefs.
I can't speak for the followers of Islam. Maybe you can ask some of those strict, wealthy Saudis about their fundamental beliefs.
I think he meant "impoverished".
Sociologically, SES is a big factor in fundamentalism. When one is living in poverty and has no opportunity to change their situation, they have to find a way to justify that and give their existence some sort of meaning and their person some sort of value. That is often accomplished through fundamental belief systems. Anything lacking in their existence is not their fault, the their destiny determined by their god's will. They have been chosen for this difficult life, and therefore, their situation not only becomes good, but desirable. Because these beliefs are the only thing that justifies their existence, they become fanatical about their belief system being the only true and good belief system. Anyone who believes differently is a threat to the justification they use to define their existence. And they defend it to the degree that it often creates violence. Violence that is justfied by the fact that they are acting out their god's will.
Those "fundamentals" certainly don't fit Christian beliefs.
That's not really the point. They represented themselves as followers of Christianity, Islam or Judaism while their actions contradicted the belief and faith system.
They don't have to be Christian, but they can claim to be so. That's the whole point.
Not according to some other posters.
That's why I want to set the record straight.
Also, I don't agree with the philosophy that SES makes the world go around but that's another thread for another day.
What is SES?
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