Gitmo Prisoners UPDATE

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Jiro said:
I guess what Obama has been preaching for so long is now all lies.... typical politician :dunno:
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Obama has direct control over himself alone.
 
DURAY said:
of course, he is a left-wing liberal...
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Actually, he's not. But if you want to look at truthfulness and openness in politics, the conservatives will provide you a wonderful example of not being truthful and honest.
 
Jiro said:
can anyone tell me why did Obama Administration especially his OWN task force team concluded that Gitmo Camp is within Geneva Convention? and now you're telling me that under Obama Administration, he's incompetent to handle the Gitmo Camp since there are more "alleged abuses" ?
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Where exactly, did I say that?
 
jillio said:
Actually, he's not. But if you want to look at truthfulness and openness in politics, the conservatives will provide you a wonderful example of not being truthful and honest.
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No, Obama is more leaning to liberal, that which is true.
 
jillio said:
Liberal leanings are quite different than the unequivocal statement "He is a left wing liberal."
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Ok, I think both of them are related but oh well.
 
Jiro said:
as I said - I've already showed you substantial amount of proof that Gitmo Camp under Bush Administration was as according to Geneva Convention - an investigation done by Obama Administration. In translation - there's no inhumane or illegal treatment.
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But Obama´s decision to close Gitmo Camp within a year remain unchanged.

Pengton only doing to defend Bush & Co. when they KNEW that Bush & Co. admitted for authorize the form of torture in Gitmo Camp in their interviews with the medias? humane?

Bush confesses to war crimes



[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AINP_zEYN4]YouTube - Cheney Confesses To War Crimes[/ame]



http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/military_0604.pdf?q=military_0604.pdf - unfortunlately some sentences are censored.

I see... You mean this? Exclusive: Lawyer says Guantanamo abuse worse since Obama
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:ty: for post those link here. :)
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Leahy calls for 'truth commission' on torture

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Senate Judiciary Committee chairman called Wednesday for the establishment of a nonpartisan "commission of inquiry" to investigate allegations of wrongdoing against former Bush administration officials in their prosecution of the war on terrorism.


Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy has called for a commission on torture allegations.

Nothing "did more to damage America's place in the world than the revelation that our great nation stretched the law and the bounds of executive power to authorize torture and cruel treatment," Sen. Patrick Leahy said at the start of a committee hearing.

American "detention policies and practices from Guantanamo Bay [Cuba] and Abu Ghraib [Iraq] have seriously eroded fundamental American principles of the rule of law," he added.

Leahy, D-Vermont, called for the "truth commission" to have a "targeted mandate" focusing on issues of national security and executive power. He said it should look specifically at allegations of "questionable interrogation techniques," "extraordinary rendition" and the "executive override of laws."

He added that the commission should have the power to issue subpoenas and offer immunity to witnesses "in order to get to the whole truth."

Leahy refused to rule out of the possibility of prosecutions for perjury committed during the commission's hearings.

"To restore our moral leadership, we must acknowledge what was done in our name," he said. "We can't turn the page unless we first read the page. I do not want to see us in a case where we are lectured for mistakes we made by countries who themselves have some of the worst and [most] oppressive policies."

Leahy conceded, however, that the authority of any such commission would be significantly undercut without the cooperation of congressional Republicans.

The proposed commission is "not something to be imposed," he said. "Its potential is lost if we don't work together. ... We need to reach a mutual understanding of what went wrong and then learn from it."

President Obama said in February that he is willing to consider a plan to investigate allegations of wrongdoing against former Bush administration officials but is more interested in moving beyond the sharp political divide of the past eight years.

"Generally speaking, I'm more interested in looking forward than looking backwards," Obama said. The president said his administration would leave "no doubt" that the United States does not torture and follows the Geneva Conventions.

He added, however, that "if there are clear instances of wrongdoing, that people should be prosecuted just like any ordinary citizen."

Since taking office, Obama has ordered the closing of the Guantanamo Bay detention facility within a year, required adherence to the Army field manual's guidance on interrogation techniques and reinstated the presumption in favor of disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act.

Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter, the Judiciary Committee's ranking Republican, questioned the need for an independent commission.

There is no need, he said, to "go off helter skelter" on a "fishing expedition."

"We ought to follow a regular order here. You have a Department of Justice, which is fully capable of doing an investigation. They're not going to pull any punches on the prior administration."

Specter also said, however, that he "would not mind looking backward if there's a reason to do so."

"If we have evidence of torture, torture's a violation of our law. Go after it," he said. "If there's reason to believe that [former administration] officials have knowingly given ... cover for things they know not to be right and sound, go after them."

Leahy calls for 'truth commission' on torture - CNN.com
 
jillio said:
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Senate Judiciary Committee chairman called Wednesday for the establishment of a nonpartisan "commission of inquiry" to investigate allegations of wrongdoing against former Bush administration officials in their prosecution of the war on terrorism.

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy has called for a commission on torture allegations.

Nothing "did more to damage America's place in the world than the revelation that our great nation stretched the law and the bounds of executive power to authorize torture and cruel treatment," Sen. Patrick Leahy said at the start of a committee hearing.

American "detention policies and practices from Guantanamo Bay [Cuba] and Abu Ghraib [Iraq] have seriously eroded fundamental American principles of the rule of law," he added.

Leahy, D-Vermont, called for the "truth commission" to have a "targeted mandate" focusing on issues of national security and executive power. He said it should look specifically at allegations of "questionable interrogation techniques," "extraordinary rendition" and the "executive override of laws."

He added that the commission should have the power to issue subpoenas and offer immunity to witnesses "in order to get to the whole truth."

Leahy refused to rule out of the possibility of prosecutions for perjury committed during the commission's hearings.

"To restore our moral leadership, we must acknowledge what was done in our name," he said. "We can't turn the page unless we first read the page. I do not want to see us in a case where we are lectured for mistakes we made by countries who themselves have some of the worst and [most] oppressive policies."

Leahy conceded, however, that the authority of any such commission would be significantly undercut without the cooperation of congressional Republicans.

The proposed commission is "not something to be imposed," he said. "Its potential is lost if we don't work together. ... We need to reach a mutual understanding of what went wrong and then learn from it."

President Obama said in February that he is willing to consider a plan to investigate allegations of wrongdoing against former Bush administration officials but is more interested in moving beyond the sharp political divide of the past eight years.

"Generally speaking, I'm more interested in looking forward than looking backwards," Obama said. The president said his administration would leave "no doubt" that the United States does not torture and follows the Geneva Conventions.

He added, however, that "if there are clear instances of wrongdoing, that people should be prosecuted just like any ordinary citizen."

Since taking office, Obama has ordered the closing of the Guantanamo Bay detention facility within a year, required adherence to the Army field manual's guidance on interrogation techniques and reinstated the presumption in favor of disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act.

Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter, the Judiciary Committee's ranking Republican, questioned the need for an independent commission.

There is no need, he said, to "go off helter skelter" on a "fishing expedition."

"We ought to follow a regular order here. You have a Department of Justice, which is fully capable of doing an investigation. They're not going to pull any punches on the prior administration."

Specter also said, however, that he "would not mind looking backward if there's a reason to do so."

"If we have evidence of torture, torture's a violation of our law. Go after it," he said. "If there's reason to believe that [former administration] officials have knowingly given ... cover for things they know not to be right and sound, go after them."


Leahy calls for 'truth commission' on torture - CNN.com
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Finally! it's good to know that Senator Leahy step up to investiage Bush's administration.

I know Bush & Co. lied and authorized torture...

Those link for everyone to sign the petition to support investigations and prosecutions on Bush & Co. I hope Obama will re-consider carefully because the people want to see those mess to clean up and then move on... ... Its about justice...

Take Action: Support a Truth & Reconciliation Commission

German proscutors have been tried and fail in 2006 but they continue to trying to prosecute Bush & Co. and former prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi wrote his book "The prosecution of George W. Bush for murder".
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Bush & Co.
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Liebling - just a friendly reminder. I've told you before that it's called "Bush Administration"... not Bush & Co. because it means Bush & Corporation.
 
Jiro said:
Liebling - just a friendly reminder. I've told you before that it's called "Bush Administration"... not Bush & Co. because it means Bush & Corporation.
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Actually, Bush and Co. would be Bush and company. Bush and Corp. would be Bush and corporation.:cool2:
 
Yes, that´s right Jillio.

Jiro, Bush associate with the group = Bush & his companions (Bush & co).
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Yes, that´s right Jillio.

Jiro, Bush associate with the group = Bush & his companions (Bush & co).
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not Companions. not Company. not Corporation. It's Bush Administration because he was the President and President is not supposed to be affiliated with any corporations/companies/etc.
 
Jiro said:
not Companions. not Company. not Corporation. It's Bush Administration because he was the President and President is not supposed to be affiliated with any corporations/companies/etc.
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The word "company" can also refer to those with whom he associates, (as in the company one keeps) not just a financial concern.
 
jillio said:
The word "company" can also refer to those with whom he associates, (as in the company one keeps) not just a financial concern.
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no. and no. and no. that makes no sense at all. Bush Administration.... period.
 
Jiro said:
no. and no. and no. that makes no sense at all. Bush Administration.... period.
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You are more than welcome to use any terminology that you choose to refer to the past administration. However, you cannot dictate the terminology used by others. There is absolutely nothing innaccurate about referring to those that Bush kept company with as "company." You quite obviously were able to understand exactly what the poster was saying.

Now, instead of nitpicking one poster for the use of one word, how about we get back on topic?
 
I tried typing "bush company in the box of google, and it led to someone else owns something." if i type bush admininstration and then it led to BUSH administation about him. :shrug:
 
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