FBI violated my son's ADA rights

[Steinhauer]

He might be too old for parenting.

I don't know how old he is. However, if there was no parenting in his development .... there will never be any.

 

[Steinhauer]

There are only 2 charges - possession of ----- and distribution of ------. There is no criminal charge for "using" an illegal drug because possession itself is illegal. It doesn't matter if you consumed it or not.

Based on questions you're asking me.... I take it that you are not fully aware of simple drug laws that have been around for decades?


There's a criminal charge called "pedophilia"??? wow... I didn't know we have Thought Police!!!

I don't use or distribute. My brother in law runs an addiction and recovery clinic for users. He will not accept individuals that have been forced to go, he only accepts those whom voluntarily request help.

Those individuals can genuinely be helped.

Which brings me to my next question ... should an individual whom knows they have a problem with child pornography be arrested if they voluntarily seek help?

My brother in law also accepts individuals that have porn addiction issues.

 

[whatdidyousay!]

you're lucky that it wasn't part of undercover sting operation

I turned it to the police station at soon as I found it . I know if a cop had seen me pick it up I would had a hard time proving my motive. I did think about how it would look picking it up!

 

[Jiro]

I know there is a correlation, but until an individual acts on their impulses, they are not a threat. Georgia has no law for "pre-murder" (just making a point).

Any individual caught entertaining the notion of engaging in sexual acts with minors definitely needs to be confronted, whether they have acted on those impulses or not. If acted upon, there is no recourse, in my opinion, other than being locked up. Those caught with child pornography whom have not acted on their impulses, again, in my opinion, need serious counselling and monitoring.

Prison just may teach them how NOT to get caught when they get out.

Pre-murder? You mean... premeditation.

FYI - that is against the law in Georgia... and anywhere else in this country. it's called conspiracy.

 

[Reba]

I know there is a correlation, but until an individual acts on their impulses, they are not a threat. Georgia has no law for "pre-murder" (just making a point).

But they do have laws against attempted murder, plotting murders, hiring for murder, and conspiracy to murder--those could be considered "pre-murder" charges. In other words, they can be charged without an actual murder occurring.

Any individual caught entertaining the notion of engaging in sexual acts with minors definitely needs to be confronted, whether they have acted on those impulses or not. If acted upon, there is no recourse, in my opinion, other than being locked up. Those caught with child pornography whom have not acted on their impulses, again, in my opinion, need serious counselling and monitoring.

The problem is, we can't know people's "notions" except by their use of child pornography. Also, as I posted before, just by downloading the porn they are supporting the making of that porn, which is a crime against children.

Prison just may teach them how NOT to get caught when they get out.

Maybe but that's no excuse to leave them loose in the community.

 

[Reba]

I turned it to the police station at soon as I found it . I know if a cop had seen me pick it up I would had a hard time proving my motive. I did think about how it would look picking it up!

Maybe it would be best to not touch it but stand by to keep an eye on it, call the police, and wait for them.

 

[Jiro]

Not all people who view child pornography become active pedophiles. However, most (if not) all pedophiles started out with viewing child porn before they became active, and most (if not all) pedophiles have child porn in their possession when they are arrested.

There is a definite correlation.

exactly

hence..... child pornography and pedophilia are intertwined together in the court of law and.... it's pretty much the same thing.

A person who views and/or distributes child pornography is a pedophile.
A person who engages in sex with a minor is a pedophile.
A person who fantasizes sexually about children is a pedophile.
A person who works with children and has sexual liking to children but has never hurt one is a pedophile.

In OP's son's case.... he's a pedophile. a registered sex offender.

 

[Steinhauer]

But they do have laws against attempted murder, plotting murders, hiring for murder, and conspiracy to murder--those could be considered "pre-murder" charges. In other words, they can be charged without an actual murder occurring.


The problem is, we can't know people's "notions" except by their use of child pornography. Also, as I posted before, just by downloading the porn they are supporting the making of that porn, which is a crime against children.


Maybe but that's no excuse to leave them loose in the community.

I am definitely not saying they should be let loose. I do think that non threatening "pre-pedophiles" should be monitored and made to seek counselling. Perhaps intervention would prevent them from becoming pedophiles.

Has it even been tried?

 

[Steinhauer]

Pre-murder? You mean... premeditation.

FYI - that is against the law in Georgia... and anywhere else in this country. it's called conspiracy.

It is called conspiracy, but not murder.

Most of the the time, pre-meditated murder is only charged after the fact of murder. In other words, the person had to have acted on their impulse in some way.

 

[whatdidyousay!]

He might be too old for parenting.

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[Jiro]

I don't use or distribute. My brother in law runs an addiction and recovery clinic for users. He will not accept individuals that have been forced to go, he only accepts those whom voluntarily request help.

Those individuals can genuinely be helped.

Which brings me to my next question ... should an individual whom knows they have a problem with child pornography be arrested if they voluntarily seek help?

That's not my problem. That's not society's problem. That's nobody's problem except doctors. I'm not interested in who can be helped. I'm only interested in ensuring public's safety. When a crime has been committed, one has to be arrested for it.

But what's your answer to your question?

My brother in law also accepts individuals that have porn addiction issues.

I'm reminding you to answer my hypothetical question. I'll repeat - should you be arrested for picking up a drug and putting it in your pocket and then whistle away?

 

[Reba]

My daughter shop lift once and got caught by the store! I told her I was glad
she got caught and was scare! She never did again as I did not baby her!
Being a parent mean you have practice tough love at times!

Yes, I know that. If the guy is over 18 though, the parent really doesn't have any more authority.

 

[Jiro]

It is called conspiracy, but not murder.

Most of the the time, pre-meditated murder is only charged after the fact of murder. In other words, the person had to have acted on their impulse in some way.

Let me help you. When it's in context of murder, it's called "conspiracy to commit murder".

 

[Steinhauer]

please answer my question to a very specific hypothetical situation. I'm not interested in what you'd do.

I'm asking if you believe you should be arrested for what you just did... picking up a drug and putting it in your pocket.

No. Unless there is proven intent to use or distribute my answer is no.

I do not believe the simple act of picking it up is an arrestable offense. Perhaps the intent is to turn it over to the police. (such as whatdidyousay mentioned).

 

[Steinhauer]

Let me help you. When it's in context of murder, it's called "conspiracy to commit murder".

There has to be an act on an impulse. Intent has to be proven.

I am trying to think of a specific example so my meaning doesn't get lost or "twisted around".

Suppose a person makes a pipe bomb and is planning on a murder. They engaged in an activity, made a weapon, with specific plans to harm or kill another individual. The intent can be proven by the actions taken by the individual coupled with the fact that making a pipe bomb is illegal.

Can you charge a person who buys a gun with pre-meditated murder? After all, a gun's only purpose is to kill. There has to be a specific action involved.

Watching child pornography does not prove intent to take actions on an impulse (in my opinion - I know your opinion is different).

Just as watching porn is not proof of an individual's intent to rape. There has to be a physical act.

 

[Jiro]

I am definitely not saying they should be let loose. I do think that non threatening "pre-pedophiles" should be monitored and made to seek counselling. Perhaps intervention would prevent them from becoming pedophiles.

Has it even been tried?

yes. many are repeated offenders.

haven't you checked news lately?

 

[Jiro]

There has to be an act on an impulse. Intent has to be proven.

right.... and if one gets charged with "conspiracy to commit murder".... it obviously means the court has evidence that one intended to act on it.

if it's "an act on impulse"... it's called murder.

 

[Jiro]

No. Unless there is proven intent to use or distribute my answer is no.

I do not believe the simple act of picking it up is an arrestable offense. Perhaps the intent is to turn it over to the police. (such as whatdidyousay mentioned).

again - there's no such law relating to "intent to use." Only Possession and Distribution. In possession charge - it does not matter if you intend to use it or not.

Again - I was pretty specific with my hypothetical question. I'll repost my Post #88.

if the drug dealer dropped a drug on street and you saw that.... you picked it up, put it in your pocket, and whistle away.

should you be arrested for what you just did?

"whistle away" part is pretty obvious but if it isn't that obvious to you. I'll clarify. You "whistle away" because you certainly do not have any intention in turning it over to police.

So I take it that you believe "Possession of Illegal Substance" statute should be thrown out?

 

[Jiro]

My daughter shop lift once and got caught by the store! I told her I was glad
she got caught and was scare! She never did again as I did not baby her!
Being a parent mean you have practice tough love at times!

sadly enough - many pedophiles are actually people who look like healthy, law-abiding honest citizens with great backgrounds. They can be high school teacher who was voted as teacher of the year.... Congressman... well-known local police officer... successful entrepreneur who have donated millions to charity programs...

 

[Steinhauer]

again - there's no such law relating to "intent to use." Only Possession and Distribution. In possession charge - it does not matter if you intend to use it or not.

Again - I was pretty specific with my hypothetical question. I'll repost my Post #88.



"whistle away" part is pretty obvious but if it isn't that obvious to you. I'll clarify. You "whistle away" because you certainly do not have any intention in turning it over to police.

So I take it that you believe "Possession of Illegal Substance" statute should be thrown out?[/

No, I do not think it should be thrown out - because that would not allow an LEO to use discretion as to the individual's "intent".

Any LEO, who knew the individual's "intent" was to turn it over to the police and report it, would be a loser, IMHO, if they turned that individual into a felon.

If they knew the intent was to sell or distribute, then again, they can use discretion as to arrest the person or not.