FBI violated my son's ADA rights

[Steinhauer]

winking like that and being sympathetic about this.

how suspicious.... disturbing....

I am trying to understand how you came to that conclusion.

You have misrepresented the mother as the father, then you grouped pedophilia right in with child pornography.

The mother wrote the OP and child pornography is not the same as pedophilia. I am not sympathetic, nor am I supportive. I DO know that there are crooked cops, attorneys and judges. I am not saying they all are. I do know there are bona fide crooks looking for techicalities, but there are also innocent people in prison.

 

[Steinhauer]

I'm talking about adults who can barely print their own names, and can read nothing. They can copy an address or memorize a phone number but that's about it. They can't fingerspell either except for names.

They don't have HS diplomas.

They don't use computers, text phones, or TTY. They can't read captions.

People do fall thru the cracks.

I wonder if the deafies that write in ASL would seem illiterate to a person who had no understanding of what wrting in ASL meant.

 

[Reba]

I wonder if the deafies that write in ASL would seem illiterate to a person who had no understanding of what wrting in ASL meant.

Those aren't the people I'm talking about.

 

[Jiro]

I am trying to understand how you came to that conclusion.

You have misrepresented the mother as the father, then you grouped pedophilia right in with child pornography.

I know it's a mom. I simply used one wrong word - "his" instead of "her". and what difference does it make if it's a father or mom anyway?

Looks like you want to turn this thread into a farce but I'll play with your game for a bit. Correct me if I'm wrong -

1. A person who is into pedophilia is called a pedophile, yes?
2. A pedophile gets his "fix" and one of the ways is by downloading child pornography, yes?

 

[Jiro]

The mother wrote the OP and child pornography is not the same as pedophilia. I am not sympathetic, nor am I supportive. I DO know that there are crooked cops, attorneys and judges. I am not saying they all are. I do know there are bona fide crooks looking for techicalities, but there are also innocent people in prison.

You've got some serious issue, dude.

 

[Steinhauer]

I know it's a mom. I simply used one wrong word - "his" instead of "her". and what difference does it make if it's a father or mom anyway?

Looks like you want to turn this thread into a farce but I'll play with your game for a bit. Correct me if I'm wrong -

1. A person who is into pedophilia is called a pedophile, yes?
2. A pedophile gets his "fix" and one of the ways is by downloading child pornography, yes?

Probably, but not necessarily. A pedophile is a person who entices children sexually.

Did the son of the OP do that? Or, was he looking at child pornography?

The way you misinterpret what is actually stated is quite disturbing.

It is the same difference as threatening someone and actually assaulting them. They are similar, but not the same thing.

 

[Steinhauer]

Those aren't the people I'm talking about.

Ah, I see. Then I actually do not know any deafies that cannot spell their name or write rudimentary english - however, it is more like ASL writing.

 

[Jiro]

Probably, but not necessarily. A pedophile is a person who entices children sexually.

that alone proves my case.

Did the son of the OP do that? Or, was he looking at child pornography?

You don't consider a person viewing child pornography as a pedophile?

The way you misinterpret what is actually stated is quite disturbing.

I see. getting defensive there. I'm feeling some kind of foreboding now... I think there will be Titanic rerun in 30 min at channel AMC

 

[Steinhauer]

that alone answers my question.


You don't consider a person viewing child pornography as a pedophile?


I see. getting defensive there. I'm feeling some kind of foreboding now... I think there will be Titanic rerun in 30 min at channel AMC

Not defensive at all. Your making *implications* again.

You are implying that the OP's son is a pedophile. A pedophile is a person who acts physically against children. Has the OP's son done that or not?

I do not know. Do you? If so, then yes, the OP's son is a pedophile, if not, then no, he is not.

Child pornography is definitely sick. Suppose you are visiting the Far East and accidentally see child pornography ... by your definition, it automatically makes you a pedophile.

Suppose you are watching x rated porn, it automatically makes you a rapist.

 

[whatdidyousay!]

if you read all the posts including OP's other posts... you'll see that OP was trying to get his son out of jail based on trivial technicality - which doesn't exist.

Her son was arrested and charged for possession of child pornography images and possibly distribution too.

How do you think FBI caught him? most likely from months of investigation and undercover operation.

Secondly - the FBI acted within law by giving him a printed copy of Miranda's rights. Interpreter is not required because he is being arrested, not interrogated.

I'm sure the interpreter was provided for during interrogation and his hearings. And now his son has been found guilty and is now being sent to federal prison.

I know the FBI did months of investigation before making their move. I wonder if this was on TV in the state is happen in.

 

[Jiro]

Not defensive at all. Your making *implications* again.

You are implying that the OP's son is a pedophile. A pedophile is a person who acts physically against children. Has the OP's son done that or not?

I do not know. Do you? If so, then yes, the OP's son is a pedophile, if not, then no, he is not.

Let me correct you right there. About your previous post where you said threatening and assaulting are similar but not the same thing.... Let me point it out that those two are not actually similar at all.

Threatening is where no physical harm has occurred.
Assault is where physical harm has occurred.
Pretty simple there in the court of law. nothing similar at all.

Now... pedophile and child pornography are actually intertwined together. we're not on medical or psychology subject. this is a legal subject so in the court of law, pedophile and child pornography are pretty much the same thing.

Child pornography is definitely sick. Suppose you are visiting the Far East and accidentally see child pornography ... by your definition, it automatically makes you a pedophile.

so are you implying that he viewed child pornography by mistake?

Suppose you are watching x rated porn, it automatically makes you a rapist.

how? You're telling me that a person participating in threesome by watching them is a rapist?

 

[Reba]

"Two separate offenses against the person that when used in one expression may be defined as any unlawful and unpermitted touching of another. Assault is an act that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent, harmful, or offensive contact. The act consists of a threat of harm accompanied by an apparent, present ability to carry out the threat. Battery is a harmful or offensive touching of another.

The main distinction between the two offenses is the existence or nonexistence of a touching or contact. While contact is an essential element of battery, there must be an absence of contact for assault. Sometimes assault is defined loosely to include battery."
Assault and Battery legal definition of Assault and Battery. Assault and Battery synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

 

[Steinhauer]

Let me correct you right there. About your previous post where you said threatening and assaulting are similar but not the same thing.... Let me point it out that those two are not actually similar at all.

Threatening is where no physical harm has occurred.
Assault is where physical harm has occurred.
Pretty simple there in the court of law. nothing similar at all.

Now... pedophile and child pornography are actually intertwined together. we're not on medical or psychology subject. this is a legal subject so in the court of law, pedophile and child pornography are pretty much the same thing.


so are you implying that he viewed child pornography by mistake?


how? You're telling me that a person participating in threesome by watching them is a rapist?

Maybe I am wrong

I would think that a pedophile has caused physical harm to a child. As in the act of enticement, or the act of molestation.

Perhaps they are intertwined, but I do not see it as the same thing as a person who watches child pornography. They are BOTH sick and disgusting, however, did the person who viewed the child pornography molest or entice the child?

I have always been under the impression that a pedophile stalked children for physical interaction. I would MUCH rather that those individuals be locked up in the slammer than someone who has a non threatening mental disorder that could be corrected through counselling.

 

[posts from hell]

 

[Steinhauer]

I mean seriously, would you rather know where all the people are who have watched child pornography, or the guy who butchered his wife and is out on parole? Or the guy who robbed First National and killed three cops?

 

[Reba]

I mean seriously, would you rather know where all the people are who have watched child pornography, or the guy who butchered his wife and is out on parole? Or the guy who robbed First National and killed three cops?

Why does it have to be an either-or choice? Why not lock up all of them?

 

[Jiro]

Maybe I am wrong

I would think that a pedophile has caused physical harm to a child. As in the act of enticement, or the act of molestation.

Perhaps they are intertwined, but I do not see it as the same thing as a person who watches child pornography. They are BOTH sick and disgusting, however, did the person who viewed the child pornography molest or entice the child?

I have always been under the impression that a pedophile stalked children for physical interaction. I would MUCH rather that those individuals be locked up in the slammer than someone who has a non threatening mental disorder that could be corrected through counselling.

exactly why I said what I said in my post #52 (linked for your convenience - first line)

 

[Steinhauer]

Why does it have to be an either-or choice? Why not lock up all of them?

They should be locked up. However, knowing the location of two "pedophiles" who were guilty of child molestation 12 years ago because they had consensual sex when they were 17 is getting kind of ridiculous.

The dude that robbed first national and killed 3 cops isn't even a blip on the radar. But those two 17 year olds , oh my!

(just being sarcastic to make a point - not poking fun at you Reba).

 

[whatdidyousay!]

"Two separate offenses against the person that when used in one expression may be defined as any unlawful and unpermitted touching of another. Assault is an act that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent, harmful, or offensive contact. The act consists of a threat of harm accompanied by an apparent, present ability to carry out the threat. Battery is a harmful or offensive touching of another.

The main distinction between the two offenses is the existence or nonexistence of a touching or contact. While contact is an essential element of battery, there must be an absence of contact for assault. Sometimes assault is defined loosely to include battery."
Assault and Battery legal definition of Assault and Battery. Assault and Battery synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

One of my neighbor made threatening gesture toward me when I was bringing my hearing dog out to pee. I called the cops and the cops told the guy if he threatens to harm me again he would be arrest threatening to assault me ! The did not touch me but he made a gesture of wanting to choke me!

 

[Jiro]

They should be locked up. However, knowing the location of two "pedophiles" who were guilty of child molestation 12 years ago because they had consensual sex when they were 17 is getting kind of ridiculous.

The dude that robbed first national and killed 3 cops isn't even a blip on the radar. But those two 17 year olds , oh my!

(just being sarcastic to make a point - not poking fun at you Reba).

feel free to make a new thread about "pedophiles" having consensual sex because one of them is just 1 year shy of legal age.

That was not what happened in OP's case. You need to learn how to be objective.