Define patriot

How is life on the Moon? Any deaf aliens on the deaf UFOs passing by on the way to Are 51?

SouthPaw said:
The Boston Marathon bombings was a fake! Directed by government departments! Just like the Sandy Hook shooting, 9/11, and Aurora! Don't believe the official story that THEY created. It's propaganda BS! Research for yourself to find the truth. They work VERY hard and sacrifice OUR people to carry out their agenda, and it ALMOST worked--they almost got our guns. But people are waking up.

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Bob Woodward of Watergate fame was an U.S. naval officer. His last job was as a briefer to Gen. Haig at the White House.

Reba said:
Intelligence Briefing Team for the Commander In Chief of the Pacific Fleet.
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Jiro said:
if they were Constitution-loving patriots... then they wouldn't put this country in jeopardy with classified secrets out in the open, putting our agents' lives in danger.
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Agreed.

classified information is not covered by freedom of speech. freedom of speech is only applicable when it comes to criticizing the government and exercising your opinion. releasing classified information is not exercising your opinion.
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That's right.

The First Amendment allows us to state and publish our opinions on any topic. People are free to criticize the government on its policies and actions. They are free to share information that is legally obtained. They are NOT free to release the content of classified documents because they don't belong to them as individuals--classified documents are not anyone's personal property, nor are they public information like the way tax documents are.

If someone feels strongly enough to acquire information illegally, and then disseminate it, then that person needs to accept the consequences of those actions and not complain about those consequences.
 
Huh?

The location of nuclear weapons is secret. You need a Q clearance to know.
The locations of US military units in some areas overseas are classified.


When President Obama became president and read SIGINT (above top secret) stuffs in the CIA/DNI President Daily Brief, he authorized more drones attacks than President Bush. A total change when he was on the campaign trail dreaming and speaking of fantasyland theories.

But Steinhauer, you're right. The US government needs to release more info about Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Chinese government and communist structure systems and Russia government informations. Left Wingers hated that kind of information.


Steinhauer said:
According to whom?

When is classified information (such as gross violation of the 4th Amendment Rights of US Citizens) considered "protected information"?

Why is it illegal to expose the wrong doings of the Federal Government?

Is it because they can do no wrong?
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SouthPaw said:
. . . For a while I was thinking William Cooper was the only genuine truther remaining, but jonnyghost has got me questioning that! I guess in the end you can only believe yourself, and you know what conclusion I've drawn? Well...how would I say it without sounding antisemitic????
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What would sound anti-Semitic?
 
Reba said:
What would sound anti-Semitic?
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It's not that I blame Jews for 9/11, I blame Israel and Zionism. Not all Jews are Zionists and not Zionists are Jews. The most important being any of the Rothschild family banking dynasty. Israel had the most dominant hand in 9/11 utilizing organizations like AIPAC and Mossad. But you know who wasn't responsible? Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, or any other Muslim country. Muslim's were scapegoats to foment MORE war. And it worked, but gullible Americans didn't even question.

and the truth shall set you free
 
mikemike said:
Huh?

The location of nuclear weapons is secret. You need a Q clearance to know.
The locations of US military units in some areas overseas are classified.


When President Obama became president and read SIGINT (above top secret) stuffs in the CIA/DNI President Daily Brief, he authorized more drones attacks than President Bush. A total change when he was on the campaign trail dreaming and speaking of fantasyland theories.

But Steinhauer, you're right. The US government needs to release more info about Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Chinese government and communist structure systems and Russia government informations. Left Wingers hated that kind of information.
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That isn't what I was referring to. I was referring to Snowden releasing classified documents to the public about the NSA's domestic spying program. This was highly illegal for our government to do, as it was a violation of the 4th Amendment to The United States Constitution.

The reason why this information was "classified" is because the Federal Government knew it was illegal. A Federal Judge has already ruled on this case, and ruled it as unconstitutional. We would never have known about this if it were not for those meddling kids.
 
mikemike said:
Huh?

The location of nuclear weapons is secret. You need a Q clearance to know.
The locations of US military units in some areas overseas are classified.


When President Obama became president and read SIGINT (above top secret) stuffs in the CIA/DNI President Daily Brief, he authorized more drones attacks than President Bush. A total change when he was on the campaign trail dreaming and speaking of fantasyland theories.

But Steinhauer, you're right. The US government needs to release more info about Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Chinese government and communist structure systems and Russia government informations. Left Wingers hated that kind of information.
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Do you have source to support your claim about left wingers support Russia, Chinese government, ISIS and Al Qaeda?

Your definition will be called authoritarian, not left wing, but authoritarian can be associated with right or left wing.
 
SouthPaw said:
It's not that I blame Jews for 9/11, I blame Israel and Zionism. Not all Jews are Zionists and not Zionists are Jews. The most important being any of the Rothschild family banking dynasty. Israel had the most dominant hand in 9/11 utilizing organizations like AIPAC and Mossad. But you know who wasn't responsible? Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, or any other Muslim country. Muslim's were scapegoats to foment MORE war. And it worked, but gullible Americans didn't even question.

and the truth shall set you free
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Hello . . . The hijackers of the 9/11 planes were NOT Zionists, nor were they from Israel. They were radical Muslims following the plan of Osama Bin Laden (who was NOT an Israeli or Zionist).

You know, questioning what you read works both ways; you need to do a little more questioning of what you read on all those conspiracy theory websites.

And yes, it is offensive to blame Israel for the actions committed by people who want to see the destruction of Israel.
 
I agree with Reba. The 9/11 attacks were a result of our alliance with Israel. We know who the hijackers were. They were not Zionists, they were radical Islamists that attempted to destroy our government, to make it easier for them to destroy Israel.
 
Talking about conspiracies .... There was a news article written in Saudi Arabia which claimed that Israelis celebrated their "Feast of Purim" by killing Arabs and drinking their blood.

Pure nonsense and hateful propaganda. There is a government effort to keep the hatred of the Israelis at a high level amongst their population.
 
Reba said:
Hello . . . The hijackers of the 9/11 planes were NOT Zionists, nor were they from Israel. They were radical Muslims following the plan of Osama Bin Laden (who was NOT an Israeli or Zionist).

You know, questioning what you read works both ways; you need to do a little more questioning of what you read on all those conspiracy theory websites.

And yes, it is offensive to blame Israel for the actions committed by people who want to see the destruction of Israel.
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Regardless of who "hijacked the planes" (Mossad hires Arab agents), both airports where planes tookoff had their security outsourced to Israeli based companies. Convenient!
It's very ironic US then attacks Afghanistan which houses Al-Qaeda which was practically created by the CIA. Afghanistan was also one of only 7 remaining countries in the world that did not have a Rothschild Zionist owned centralized Bank. With the destruction of the Pentagon, Israeli Jew Dou Zakheim must resign because his budget cannot account for $2.6 trillion including planes, tanks, and missiles; which conveniently cannot be investigated because records were destroyed at Pentagon 9/11 crash.
It's interesting to know a week before 9/11, a "hijacker" enters a pro-Israeli lobbyist Jew casino boat. Also that immediately after 9/11, 5 Israelis dressed in Arab clothing were arrested for dancing and cheering in the street as 9/11 struck. Their truck tested + for bombs and money...but they were released for "having fun". 2/5 were confirmed Mossad agents. Or what about the private tower owner Silverstein who doubled the insurance on the towers 3 months prior to specifically cover terrorist attacks? Remember the anthrax hysteria? Anthrax letters were mailed out, killing 5 people whereupon it was immediately blamed on Al-Queda, until it was discovered that strain was developed by US military lab. (Jew owned) media stops mentioning anthrax after anti-Arab Jew Dr. Zark is recorded going into where anthrax was stored. Oh, and there's building 7.
And it only goes deeper. If that doesn't sound like Muslims perpetrated 9/11....

The only story you know is the "official" story, specially designed to cover up their own tracks. So on the contrary, question what you read.

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SouthPaw said:
I don't know "why". I said it's all too complex and intricate, but you might if you research the conspiratorial side of the story yourself. Please do. I just know that it was directed by government, namely FBI. They've got their own plan in the making. Your own research...or mine, often paints a completely different picture than the official story.
I can't help but wonder. Are you debating with me and defending govt just to play devil's advocate? Or do you honestly believe your government holds your best interests in hand? (If so McDonald's would be outlawed and cannabis legalized long ago) If you feel the latter, then sir, you are what was once known as a loyalist--the ones supporting and defending the royal monarchy the patriots had to overthrow.

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I am trying to understand you.

so if you really have no idea... then you have no basis for your story. you know when you have a very shaky story to prove your point... do you know what that usually means?

again - I'm trying to understand you and you're not doing a very good job explaining your case to me. that's what makes it much less credible... just like Cooper.

1. he has fishy Navy background
2. he has never gone out to investigate
3. he has never left his home
4. he has never had any access to classified documents
5. so many more....
 
SouthPaw said:
Regardless of who "hijacked the planes" (Mossad hires Arab agents), both airports where planes tookoff had their security outsourced to Israeli based companies. Convenient!
It's very ironic US then attacks Afghanistan which houses Al-Qaeda which was practically created by the CIA. Afghanistan was also one of only 7 remaining countries in the world that did not have a Rothschild Zionist owned centralized Bank. With the destruction of the Pentagon, Israeli Jew Dou Zakheim must resign because his budget cannot account for $2.6 trillion including planes, tanks, and missiles; which conveniently cannot be investigated because records were destroyed at Pentagon 9/11 crash.
It's interesting to know a week before 9/11, a "hijacker" enters a pro-Israeli lobbyist Jew casino boat. Also that immediately after 9/11, 5 Israelis dressed in Arab clothing were arrested for dancing and cheering in the street as 9/11 struck. Their truck tested + for bombs and money...but they were released for "having fun". 2/5 were confirmed Mossad agents. Or what about the private tower owner Silverstein who doubled the insurance on the towers 3 months prior to specifically cover terrorist attacks? Remember the anthrax hysteria? Anthrax letters were mailed out, killing 5 people whereupon it was immediately blamed on Al-Queda, until it was discovered that strain was developed by US military lab. (Jew owned) media stops mentioning anthrax after anti-Arab Jew Dr. Zark is recorded going into where anthrax was stored. Oh, and there's building 7.
And it only goes deeper. If that doesn't sound like Muslims perpetrated 9/11....

The only story you know is the "official" story, specially designed to cover up their own tracks. So on the contrary, question what you read.

and the truth shall set you free
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interesting story....

so where did you get all these kind of information from?
 
Jiro said:
I am trying to understand you.

so if you really have no idea... then you have no basis for your story. you know when you have a very shaky story to prove your point... do you know what that usually means?

again - I'm trying to understand you and you're not doing a very good job explaining your case to me. that's what makes it much less credible... just like Cooper.

1. he has fishy Navy background
2. he has never gone out to investigate
3. he has never left his home
4. he has never had any access to classified documents
5. so many more....
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It's a lot to understand especially when so many statements contradict each other. In the end I just take it all in and decide what does and doesn't add up. To me most (not all) of Cooper's story does. It surely does standing against the government's version. Maybe you should read his book.?
I can describe it kinda like a bedroom light. I'm not an electrician so I don't KNOW how the light works, but I get this intuitive feeling (common sense maybe) that the switch in the bedroom activates that light. I don't have any evidence to support my intuition, it just feels it. That's how I feel with research. It's not all true. Some of it's disinformation to trick and deceive, and some is propaganda to influence your stance. But some of it is true, and keen intuition helps discern.

and the truth shall set you free
 
Jiro said:
interesting story....

so where did you get all these kind of information from?
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I read and research. It's a captivating topic. You never heard of Jews ruling the world be it media, banks, govt, etc? I heard it all the time growing up. Why is it so hard to believe?

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SouthPaw said:
Regardless of who "hijacked the planes" (Mossad hires Arab agents),
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Soooo, Muslim Arabs need money so badly that they're willing to die for Israel, and not even get to enjoy their pay off. Millionaire bin Laden must have been part of this deal, too. Uh, huh. :roll:

both airports where planes tookoff had their security outsourced to Israeli based companies. Convenient!
It's very ironic US then attacks Afghanistan which houses Al-Qaeda which was practically created by the CIA. Afghanistan was also one of only 7 remaining countries in the world that did not have a Rothschild Zionist owned centralized Bank. With the destruction of the Pentagon, Israeli Jew Dou Zakheim must resign because his budget cannot account for $2.6 trillion including planes, tanks, and missiles; which conveniently cannot be investigated because records were destroyed at Pentagon 9/11 crash.
It's interesting to know a week before 9/11, a "hijacker" enters a pro-Israeli lobbyist Jew casino boat.
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You're right. You do sound anti-Semitic.

Also that immediately after 9/11, 5 Israelis dressed in Arab clothing were arrested for dancing and cheering in the street as 9/11 struck.
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Was it "immediately after" or "as 9/11 struck"? Where did this happen? In NYC, while everyone was running for their lives, LEOs had time to arrest five dancing Arabs?

Their truck tested + for bombs and money…
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How do you test for money?

but they were released for "having fun". 2/5 were confirmed Mossad agents.
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What was the point of that ridiculous scenario?

Where is this documented? (And I don't mean which conspiracy blog.)

Or what about the private tower owner Silverstein who doubled the insurance on the towers 3 months prior to specifically cover terrorist attacks? Remember the anthrax hysteria? Anthrax letters were mailed out, killing 5 people whereupon it was immediately blamed on Al-Queda, until it was discovered that strain was developed by US military lab. (Jew owned) media stops mentioning anthrax after anti-Arab Jew Dr. Zark is recorded going into where anthrax was stored. Oh, and there's building 7.
And it only goes deeper. If that doesn't sound like Muslims perpetrated 9/11….
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Wow, that is the most illogical combination of disparate supposed events in one paragraph!

If this was a plan by Israel it sure was the worst failure ever conceived. I don't think Israelis are that stupid.

The only story you know is the "official" story, specially designed to cover up their own tracks. So on the contrary, question what you read.

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Sometimes the simple truth isn't enough for people who are desiring a complex, convoluted conspiracy involving a cast of thousands.

Not that anti-Semites need much encouragement to come up with Israel/Zionist conspiracies. The events of 9/11 provided them with the motherload of material for new anti-Jew hate fables.

Sad.
 
SouthPaw said:
It's a lot to understand especially when so many statements contradict each other. In the end I just take it all in and decide what does and doesn't add up. To me most (not all) of Cooper's story does. It surely does standing against the government's version. Maybe you should read his book.?
I can describe it kinda like a bedroom light. I'm not an electrician so I don't KNOW how the light works, but I get this intuitive feeling (common sense maybe) that the switch in the bedroom activates that light. I don't have any evidence to support my intuition, it just feels it. That's how I feel with research. It's not all true. Some of it's disinformation to trick and deceive, and some is propaganda to influence your stance. But some of it is true, and keen intuition helps discern.

and the truth shall set you free
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gotcha. thanks.
 
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