Deaf School or Oral School?

sallylou said:
That's something but it's not enough. Kids shouldn't be sitting in classroom not learning. Any percentage of the time.
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I agree with you 100%.
 
CSign said:
Often times if a DHH child is mainstreamed they will have the support of an Itinerant Teacher of the Deaf to ensure that the student is receiving proper accommodations, and that their needs are being met. Another example is that they will work 1:1 with the student to pre-load concepts, or to work on areas where the student has goals. The itinerant teacher carries the same weight as the other IEP team members, including the parents.
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I had the "support" of an Itinerant teacher of the Deaf but only for 30 mins a day and it was a pull out. It still didn't do much for me sitting in the mainstreamed classes working hard to keep my head above water instead of really learning. Mainstreaming is just not thye way to go for deaf children.
 
sallylou said:
That's something but it's not enough. Kids shouldn't be sitting in classroom not learning. Any percentage of the time.
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Absolutely. Preloading and post teaching would not even be necessary if they could just access the material in the classroom! Our deaf kids don't need freaking itinerant, glorified tutors. They need qulified, bilingual TODs. For the entire time they are in a classroom.
 
sallylou said:
The teachers have so many kids with different needs in the classroom that none of them get met. I don't blame the teachers. The administration puts them in an impossible situation. Most teachers are doing the very best that they can.

Generally, large regular classrooms are best for "average" students. If the child is very bright or needs additional instruction, she/he tends to get lost in the crowd. It's all about the money and it's getting worse with the latest budget cuts.

Did you know that school teachers send their kids to private schools at twice the of non-teachers? At least that's what I read. I was one of those parents.
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Agreed. The sad part of it is that teachers leave school being told they are prepared to handle these situations, or that they have the skills needed to address various issues.
 
Plus my Internant teacher worked at different schools so if a situation came up when I needed her support, it would have been out of the question because she was out in the field giving "support" to other deaf kids who were also lost. I am best friends with one of them. Her mainstreaming experience is identicial to mine. She is now a fluent ASL user and hangs out with other ASL users.
 
jillio said:
Absolutely. Preloading and post teaching would not even be necessary if they could just access the material in the classroom! Our deaf kids don't need freaking itinerant, glorified tutors. They need qulified, bilingual TODs. For the entire time they are in a classroom.
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In no way am I saying that mainstreaming is ideal or perfect. However; there is a difference between putting a DHH student in the mainstream environment without support beyond an FM system, and putting a student in a mainstream environment with an interpreter. The interpreter enables the student to benefit from their education, as it makes it accessible for them.

Again, if there is an option I am not advocating for putting a DHH child in a mainstream environment. I realize it's not perfect, nor is it ideal.
 
shel90 said:
Plus my Internant teacher worked at different schools so if a situation came up when I needed her support, it would have been out of the question because she was out in the field giving "support" to other deaf kids who were also lost. I am best friends with one of them. Her mainstreaming experience is identicial to mine. She is now a fluent ASL user and hangs out with other ASL users.
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Exactly. An intinerant teacher is a glorified tutor. It's no more than a "pat on the head, here, we'll give you this, sweetie" type of accommodation.
 
CSign said:
In no way am I saying that mainstreaming is ideal or perfect. However; there is a difference between putting a DHH student in the mainstream environment without support beyond an FM system, and putting a student in a mainstream environment with an interpreter. The interpreter enables the student to benefit from their education, as it makes it accessible for them.

Again, if there is an option I am not advocating for putting a DHH child in a mainstream environment. I realize it's not perfect, nor is it ideal.
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An interpreter in the mainstream is better than nothing, but it is still a very, very restricting accommodation and increasingly becomes loaded with negatives as the child gets older.
 
CSign said:
In no way am I saying that mainstreaming is ideal or perfect. However; there is a difference between putting a DHH student in the mainstream environment without support beyond an FM system, and putting a student in a mainstream environment with an interpreter. The interpreter enables the student to benefit from their education, as it makes it accessible for them.

Again, if there is an option I am not advocating for putting a DHH child in a mainstream environment. I realize it's not perfect, nor is it ideal.
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Yes, an interpreter is better than nothing but if the parents had the option to send their child to a deaf school nearby, it would be better for the child. However, if there is no deaf school nearby, then I would recommend looking for a deaf/hoh program that uses ASL and English in a public school. If no luck, then better to mainstream with a terp instead of oral only.
 
shel90 said:
Yes, an interpreter is better than nothing but if the parents had the option to send their child to a deaf school nearby, it would be better for the child. However, if there is no deaf school nearby, then I would recommend looking for a deaf/hoh program that uses ASL and English in a public school. If no luck, then better to mainstream with a terp instead of oral only.
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Agreed. It should be used only as a last resort.
 
Hello, mom of a deaf child. Welcome to Alldeaf! I'm profoundly deaf, and I spent most of my schooling in "mainstreamed" education with the oral-only approach. Many people acclaimed I was successful, but even today, 15 years after I've graduated from high school, I'm trying to deal with the adverse psychological impact the experiences had on me. Here's a glimpse: http://www.alldeaf.com/deaf-education/92442-not-so-puzzling-my-hearing-school-days.html
 
I am profoundly deaf. I grew up in a foster home and I am glad that the welfare dept found a right school for me in the first place. I went to the deaf school from kindergarten to high school. All teachers use signs which is the best method for deaf students to understand and learn, IMO. I had speech therapy there for the first 5 years but I despised it. During my time, there were at least 500 deaf kids on campus.

When I was 16, I found out that I have a deaf brother who is 5 years older than me. I was so shocked to learn that my real mom sent him to a mental hospital where he stayed most of his life instead of a foster home and I still feel bad for him because she did the wrong thing to him.

BTW, my wife went to a deaf program at a public school. There were only 8 deaf students in her class. She wished she went to a deaf school because the teacher who signed in her class didn't teach well and the hearing students didn't talk with her socially.

One of my deaf co-workers told me about her experience at her mainstream school. She was not happy with it because since her teachers talked too fast, the interpreter had to sign very fast so it was hard for her to understand what the teachers said, therefore she didn't learn much.
 
CrazyPaul said:
I am profoundly deaf. I grew up in a foster home and I am glad that the welfare dept found a right school for me in the first place. I went to the deaf school from kindergarten to high school. All teachers use signs which is the best method for deaf students to understand and learn, IMO. I had speech therapy there for the first 5 years but I despised it. During my time, there were at least 500 deaf kids on campus.

When I was 16, I found out that I have a deaf brother who is 5 years older than me. I was so shocked to learn that my real mom sent him to a mental hospital where he stayed most of his life instead of a foster home and I still feel bad for him because she did the wrong thing to him.

BTW, my wife went to a deaf program at a public school. There were only 8 deaf students in her class. She wished she went to a deaf school because the teacher who signed in her class didn't teach well and the hearing students didn't talk with her socially.

One of my deaf co-workers told me about her experience at her mainstream school. She was not happy with it because since her teachers talked too fast, the interpreter had to sign very fast so it was hard for her to understand what the teachers said, therefore she didn't learn much.
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I'm sorry about your brother. My mom was a rec director at a mental hospital and somehow she found out that there were two patients whose only diagnosis at the time of placement was deafness. My mom was like, wth...?!! But it had been years since they were first placed...so sad. It pissed me off whenever I think about it. But yeah, the deaf school is often the best placement because of ongoing access to language.
 
deafbajagal said:
I'm sorry about your brother. My mom was a rec director at a mental hospital and somehow she found out that there were two patients whose only diagnosis at the time of placement was deafness. My mom was like, wth...?!! But it had been years since they were first placed...so sad. It pissed me off whenever I think about it. But yeah, the deaf school is often the best placement because of ongoing access to language.
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I know that it can happen to anyone. Some parents just dump their children who are deformed, deaf, blind or mentally retarded away from home. My real parents was one of them. However, I thank God for putting me into the right place when they got rid of me at the age of 3.

Mom of the deaf child, I am really glad that you asked for our inputs and show your thoughtfulness about your child's future. I am proud of you and God bless you.
 
jillio said:
Okay, I'm confused. That is what I said.:confused:
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No, you stated that most special ed is targeted towards mental disabilty. When most people see that, they think =low IQ kids. There is a diffy between say...a processing issue or even a severe learning disabilty....or even say the kind of kid who is a "slow learner"(they have an IQ that is borderline between average and low IQ) and mental disabilty.
 
CrazyPaul said:
I know that it can happen to anyone. Some parents just dump their children who are deformed, deaf, blind or mentally retarded away from home. My real parents was one of them. However, I thank God for putting me into the right place when they got rid of me at the age of 3.

Mom of the deaf child, I am really glad that you asked for our inputs and show your thoughtfulness about your child's future. I am proud of you and God bless you.
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CrazyPaul, on the other hand sometimes it might be a good idea for the kid not to live at home. I mean I do agree with you that it is super sad that a parent can't accept that their kid is deaf blind or mentally handicapped.....Some of the grieving stories I've heard about from parents are just so.....you almost want to say " Look sweetie...you have a very healthy and normal kid who just happens to be deaf or blind. ...They can do anything a hearing kid or a sighted kid can do. Mentally handicapped thou....that's a wee bit more complciated......
 
deafdyke said:
CrazyPaul, on the other hand sometimes it might be a good idea for the kid not to live at home. I mean I do agree with you that it is super sad that a parent can't accept that their kid is deaf blind or mentally handicapped.....Some of the grieving stories I've heard about from parents are just so.....you almost want to say " Look sweetie...you have a very healthy and normal kid who just happens to be deaf or blind. ...They can do anything a hearing kid or a sighted kid can do. Mentally handicapped thou....that's a wee bit more complciated......
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Yeah, they obviously thought my brother and I were abnormal because of our deafness so they sent us away. I guess they didn't ask around about a deaf school for me and him who grew up at a mental hospital most of his life.
 
Cloggy said:
Good to think ahead. Best thing to do is to find out how much she can hear.. With moderate hearing loss and HA's she will develop speech and get around as any other kid in the neighbourhood. Totally deaf when she's an adult sounds as if the rate of losing her hearing is very slow. slow enough to be able to hear and speak..
But communication with your child Is the main thing. And sign and speech go very well together.. It's an excellent combination..
You guys are very lucky to have found out that she needs help to hear now.. And she's lucky to have her parents realise that..
jillio said:
Why must you persist in making predictions based on things you know virtually nothing about? You are spreading audist, oralist mythology. Parents need the truth, not some fairy story. The last I checked, you were a fisherman, not a Deaf adult, deaf ed specialist, a neurologist, a clinical psychologist, a speech pathologiist, or an expert in child development.:roll:
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WOW.. The qualifications one needs to write a post.... Even father of a deaf daughter is not enough any more...

I'm glad you pointed this out to the rest of AllDeaf...
 
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