Deaf Awareness

Is "deafness" now to be considered an adjunct to "race/ethnics"? Where do "hearing people" fit in this classification?

The definition of Sociology used in my textbook: The description and explanation of social behaviour. social structures, and social interactions in terms of social environment(structures) and in terms of peoples' perception of the social environment. Page 33

Sociology a Canadian perspective Hagedorn et al Toronto.

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Is "deafness" now to be considered an adjunct to "race/ethnics"? Where do "hearing people" fit in this classification?

The definition used in my textbook: The description and explanation of social behaviour. social structures, and social interactions in terms of social environment(structures) and in terms of peoples' perception of the social environment. Page 33

Sociology a Canadian perspective Hagedorn et al Toronto

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drphil, are you ok? That is the wrong date for you activation. I am not making a joke, as you like to be precise.
 
Is "deafness" now to be considered an adjunct to "race/ethnics"? Where do "hearing people" fit in this classification?

The definition used in my textbook: The description and explanation of social behaviour. social structures, and social interactions in terms of social environment(structures) and in terms of peoples' perception of the social environment. Page 33

Sociology a Canadian perspective Hagedorn et al Toronto

Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/97

Race and ethnicity are not the same thing.

Definition of what? You failed to note what you were defining. It certainly isn't race, ethnicity, nor deafness.

Hearing people fit into whatever race or ethnic classification is appropriate for them based on their race and their ethnicity. Duh.
 
For those reading textbooks, stop. Start interacting.

Excellent advise!

What? I'm not sure I can get behind this - if you don't know anything about a subject, a textbook is generally one of the best places to learn new material from, since that's, y'know, what they're made for.

Clearly, there's a huge variety in quality, but I don't think learning from a textbook in and of itself is the wrong way to go about approaching a subject you know nothing about.
 
What? I'm not sure I can get behind this - if you don't know anything about a subject, a textbook is generally one of the best places to learn new material from, since that's, y'know, what they're made for.

Clearly, there's a huge variety in quality, but I don't think learning from a textbook in and of itself is the wrong way to go about approaching a subject you know nothing about.

They mean to not use a sociology textbook to get information about cultures such as Deaf culture - but to INTERACT.
 
What? I'm not sure I can get behind this - if you don't know anything about a subject, a textbook is generally one of the best places to learn new material from, since that's, y'know, what they're made for.

Clearly, there's a huge variety in quality, but I don't think learning from a textbook in and of itself is the wrong way to go about approaching a subject you know nothing about.

When it comes to cultural matters, it has long been accepted in the domains that study it that participant/observer is the method that yields the most accurate information. In other words, interact.
 
When it comes to cultural matters, it has long been accepted in the domains that study it that participant/observer is the method that yields the most accurate information. In other words, interact.

Fair enough, I yield to superior experience on that domain, then.
 
The Sociology textbook- Canadian perspectives Hagedorn et al make NO reference to "deaf /Deaf/Blind deaf/hearing cultures.

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The Sociology textbook- Canadian perspectives Hagedorn et al make NO reference to "deaf /Deaf/Blind deaf/hearing cultures.

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Can you list out which cultures it does mention?
 
For those reading textbooks, stop. Start interacting.

Excellent advise!

What? I'm not sure I can get behind this - if you don't know anything about a subject, a textbook is generally one of the best places to learn new material from, since that's, y'know, what they're made for.

Clearly, there's a huge variety in quality, but I don't think learning from a textbook in and of itself is the wrong way to go about approaching a subject you know nothing about.

When it comes to cultural matters, it has long been accepted in the domains that study it that participant/observer is the method that yields the most accurate information. In other words, interact.

Jumping in here.

First StSapphire, I believe you are sincere.

As to textbooks. They are excellent as starting points especially when nothing more concrete is available in any subject. But when you start reading a text book there are certain things you should be aware of.

1. Textbooks are formal.

For instance the textbook way of writing the last sentence is "There are three things of which you should be aware."

But very few people talk like that or think like that. Most people can't tell the difference between the two sentences and those who do see a difference will notice the formal version is "stuck up."

In other words textbooks are formal guides "about" reality, they are not, in any way, to be construed AS reality.

2. The only things included in these formal guides are:

A. Those things so generally recognized as being true it is believed by the authors there is no need to cite a source -- Unfortunately, as Buddha said, "Just because a thing is generally believed to be true does not mean it is true. Therefore do not accept if for that reason alone." (paraphrased.)

B. Those things established through research, polls and statistics.

Research is often over turned when some new factor is discovered that influences it, sometimes research supports more than one point of view, sometimes research is faulty, and sometimes, as in the cigarette debate, outright purchased. Therefore while research is indicative it should never be accepted without reservations.

Polls are unreliable unless you know the questions that were asked. For instance I can prove fully 80% of the hearing people in my town hate Deaf people by asking them "How many Deaf people do you know you like?" Since at least 80% of the hearing people in town have never knowingly interacted with a Deaf person they will answer "none." But if I ask those same people "Do you dislike Deaf people," those same people will answer "No." Proving my town to be one of the most Deaf friendly in the nation.

And you have to love statistics! How a statistic is presented almost guarantees the reaction you will receive.

One of my granddaughters came up to me scared out of her wits after listening to some news person say "How dangerous the world is today." She quoted "And Boompa there are 30 to 40 serial killers loose in the U.S. at any given time. It could be your neighbor."

True, it could be, but -- There are 350,000,000 people in the U.S.A. which means one in every 100,000,000 people is a serial killer. The percentage may have never changed throughout history.

Which means you are 3 times more likely to win the California lottery than you are to meet a serial killer.

C. Those things that are backed by authority. Unfortunately if you know how to do research you can find some authority somewhere to back up almost any opinion you want to present -- And if you want to sell your textbook you will find the authorities who will back up the opinion the purchasers of your textbook will want to read. So in this case you are learning the opinions approved of by those who buy the textbooks for the school system that uses them.

D. By and large textbooks are designed to teach you things to be memorized during class and recalled during test taking. Thus a minimum of complexity or controversy is included. Textbooks are not set up to have your knowledge tested through essay questions, which is the best way to test your comprehension of a subject, but by multiple choice testing, which is the most convenient way to test your comprehension of a subject.

Thus textbooks are more akin to indoctrination tools than comprehension tools.

E. Textbooks tend to obfuscate rather than clarify. Often things are approached in the hardest possible way to learn -- And time is spent learning jargon so you can discuss relatively simple subjects with a vocabulary that makes it sound exceedingly important.

Thus you read: "The inherent diversification among the various Deaf communities indigenous to the United States is greater than previously estimated." instead of reading, "Every Deaf club has its own personality."

I could go on but 5 points should be enough to satisfy Eris.

So let us say you have no access to D/deaf people so you can expand your experience -- What do you do?

AllDeaf is a good choice. Harris Communications -> Harris Communications - products for deaf, hard of hearing, hearing impaired, hearing loss, and sign language. Harris Communications - Vibrating Alarm Clocks, Loud Telephones and Signalers is excellent -- Look for the label "Deaf Author" when choosing a book. Another wonderful place is OIC Movies - American Sign Language (ASL) Deaf Videos. If you are not good at ASL pay your $59 yearly subscription fee and it will be subtitled for the signing impaired. Fantastic deal.

Another thing to do, on ANY subject, when using a textbook, is to use the textbook as a starting point – Not a final word as at least one person does on this forum. You do this by checking every statement on the internet. Try rephrasing the text book in simple, or simply different language. Look for differing opinions, see which ones tend to fit your world view and which ones don't. After a while you will get a feel for the subject you cannot get any other way.

Just remember, when it comes test time, give the teachers the answers they want – Unless you want to be like I was in school, give the kids around you the “right” answers so they could pass while I wrote down the “true” answers and proudly walked away with my straight “F” average.
 
And you have to love statistics! How a statistic is presented almost guarantees the reaction you will receive.

One of my granddaughters came up to me scared out of her wits after listening to some news person say "How dangerous the world is today." She quoted "And Boompa there are 30 to 40 serial killers loose in the U.S. at any given time. It could be your neighbor."

True, it could be, but -- There are 350,000,000 people in the U.S.A. which means one in every 100,000,000 people is a serial killer. The percentage may have never changed throughout history.

Just sayin' 30-40 in 350mil is not 100mil. its round 10mil, and about 4 times more likely than winning the SuperLotto in California.

Not to say, according to census.gov theres 308.7mil people.

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The Sociology textbook- Canadian perspectives Hagedorn et al make NO reference to "deaf /Deaf/Blind deaf/hearing cultures.

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Old textbook, perhaps. But you will find no textbook that details every single culture in existence the world over. You might be better off to use anthropology texts if you are looking for listings of cultures. Sociology deals with the influence of culture on the individual and the group; anthropology deals with the identification of cultures.

How do sociologists and anthropolgists study and identify cultures? Participant / observer studies. They interact with the culture.
 
Jumping in here.

First StSapphire, I believe you are sincere.

As to textbooks. They are excellent as starting points especially when nothing more concrete is available in any subject. But when you start reading a text book there are certain things you should be aware of.

1. Textbooks are formal.

For instance the textbook way of writing the last sentence is "There are three things of which you should be aware."

But very few people talk like that or think like that. Most people can't tell the difference between the two sentences and those who do see a difference will notice the formal version is "stuck up."

In other words textbooks are formal guides "about" reality, they are not, in any way, to be construed AS reality.

2. The only things included in these formal guides are:

A. Those things so generally recognized as being true it is believed by the authors there is no need to cite a source -- Unfortunately, as Buddha said, "Just because a thing is generally believed to be true does not mean it is true. Therefore do not accept if for that reason alone." (paraphrased.)

B. Those things established through research, polls and statistics.

Research is often over turned when some new factor is discovered that influences it, sometimes research supports more than one point of view, sometimes research is faulty, and sometimes, as in the cigarette debate, outright purchased. Therefore while research is indicative it should never be accepted without reservations.

Polls are unreliable unless you know the questions that were asked. For instance I can prove fully 80% of the hearing people in my town hate Deaf people by asking them "How many Deaf people do you know you like?" Since at least 80% of the hearing people in town have never knowingly interacted with a Deaf person they will answer "none." But if I ask those same people "Do you dislike Deaf people," those same people will answer "No." Proving my town to be one of the most Deaf friendly in the nation.

And you have to love statistics! How a statistic is presented almost guarantees the reaction you will receive.

One of my granddaughters came up to me scared out of her wits after listening to some news person say "How dangerous the world is today." She quoted "And Boompa there are 30 to 40 serial killers loose in the U.S. at any given time. It could be your neighbor."

True, it could be, but -- There are 350,000,000 people in the U.S.A. which means one in every 100,000,000 people is a serial killer. The percentage may have never changed throughout history.

Which means you are 3 times more likely to win the California lottery than you are to meet a serial killer.

C. Those things that are backed by authority. Unfortunately if you know how to do research you can find some authority somewhere to back up almost any opinion you want to present -- And if you want to sell your textbook you will find the authorities who will back up the opinion the purchasers of your textbook will want to read. So in this case you are learning the opinions approved of by those who buy the textbooks for the school system that uses them.

D. By and large textbooks are designed to teach you things to be memorized during class and recalled during test taking. Thus a minimum of complexity or controversy is included. Textbooks are not set up to have your knowledge tested through essay questions, which is the best way to test your comprehension of a subject, but by multiple choice testing, which is the most convenient way to test your comprehension of a subject.

Thus textbooks are more akin to indoctrination tools than comprehension tools.

E. Textbooks tend to obfuscate rather than clarify. Often things are approached in the hardest possible way to learn -- And time is spent learning jargon so you can discuss relatively simple subjects with a vocabulary that makes it sound exceedingly important.

Thus you read: "The inherent diversification among the various Deaf communities indigenous to the United States is greater than previously estimated." instead of reading, "Every Deaf club has its own personality."

I could go on but 5 points should be enough to satisfy Eris.

So let us say you have no access to D/deaf people so you can expand your experience -- What do you do?

AllDeaf is a good choice. Harris Communications -> Harris Communications - products for deaf, hard of hearing, hearing impaired, hearing loss, and sign language. Harris Communications - Vibrating Alarm Clocks, Loud Telephones and Signalers is excellent -- Look for the label "Deaf Author" when choosing a book. Another wonderful place is OIC Movies - American Sign Language (ASL) Deaf Videos. If you are not good at ASL pay your $59 yearly subscription fee and it will be subtitled for the signing impaired. Fantastic deal.

Another thing to do, on ANY subject, when using a textbook, is to use the textbook as a starting point – Not a final word as at least one person does on this forum. You do this by checking every statement on the internet. Try rephrasing the text book in simple, or simply different language. Look for differing opinions, see which ones tend to fit your world view and which ones don't. After a while you will get a feel for the subject you cannot get any other way.

Just remember, when it comes test time, give the teachers the answers they want – Unless you want to be like I was in school, give the kids around you the “right” answers so they could pass while I wrote down the “true” answers and proudly walked away with my straight “F” average.

Excellent post. I only want to add that polls are unreliable without knowing the demographics of the population being polled, as well. Most polls are designed and administered to get the results desired by the polling agency. They target a specific population and phrase their questions in a specific manner.
 
The book was published in 1980-Sociology a Canadian perspective.

What was the event that suggests there is something called "deaf culture" NOW that DID'NT EXIST PRIOR? Something to do with Cochlear Implants?--Coincidental?

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The book was published in 1980-Sociology a Canadian perspective.

What was the event that suggests there is something called "deaf culture" NOW that DID'NT EXIST PRIOR? Something to do with Cochlear Implants?--Coincidental?

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It has virtually nothing to do with CI. In fact, if you want to point to an event that brought Deaf Culture into the awareness of the general population, you would point toward DPN in 1986. However, that was not the birth date of Deaf Culture. It has existed as long as 2 deaf people have come together with like values, traditions, and language. In other words, hundreds of years.
 
The book was published in 1980-Sociology a Canadian perspective.

What was the event that suggests there is something called "deaf culture" NOW that DID'NT EXIST PRIOR? Something to do with Cochlear Implants?--Coincidental?

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Coincidence that that term came into being?

Deaf culture got a term in the 80's and your book predated the term . That's all.
 
Coincidence that that term came into being?

Deaf culture got a term in the 80's and your book predated the term . That's all.

Exactly. It was a phenomena long before it was given a specific term.
 
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