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The wrong guys are on trial :mad: :

Court-Martial of Navy Seal Opens in Iraq

Posted By Steve Centanni On April 21, 2010 @ 12:25 PM In Uncategorized |

An alleged terrorist accused in the grisly murders of four Americans appeared in court Wednesday in Iraq. But Ahmed Hashim Abed isn’t the one on trial. Instead, he was testifying against one of the Navy Seals who arrested him last September.

Petty Officer First Class Julio Huertas of Blue Island, Illinois, is being tried at a military base on the western outskirts of Baghdad. Huertas and two other Navy Seals face charges in connection with Abed’s arrest, during which the prisoner claims he was punched and kicked by at least one of his captors.

The case has prompted a huge outpouring of sympathy in the U.S., with thousands visiting websites in support of the Navy Seals. Many claim the four defendants should be hailed as heroes for capturing Abed instead of being court marshaled. At least 20 members of the U.S. Congress have urged Defense Secretary Robert Gates to drop all the charges.

In court Tuesday, Abed described the surprise raid on his home last year. He say he was with his wife at the time. He says he was blindfolded and taken to an unknown location and questioned. He told the court there was no abuse during the first questioning or at a second location where he was later taken. At a third location, however, Abed claims he was hit on his shoulders and back, then punched in to the stomach, causing him to fall on his face. While on the floor, he says he heard yelling and swearing.

The accused terrorist was handcuffed and blindfolded at the time and says he can’t identify anyone who might have hit him. He only remembers seeing someone wearing red shorts. Photos of Abed taken ten days after the alleged incident were also shown in court, but according to a Fox News representative inside the courtroom, the injuries did not look severe.

Petty Officer 2nd Class Matthew McCabe of Perrysberg, Ohio, is the only Navy Seal actually charged with assault in the case. His attorney, Neal Puckett, says on his website, “These terrorists are trained to claim abuse despite no physical evidence of such.” McCabe goes on trial May 3rd in Norfolk, VA.

Also in court in Baghdad, a Navy officer testified that he witnessed McCabe assaulting Abed. Petty Officer Third Class Kevin Demartino, who is not a Navy Seal, said he saw McCabe punch Abed in the stomach and saw blood coming from the prisoner’s mouth. Demartino was silent about the case at first, saying in court, “I wasn’t prepared to rat those guys out.” But after he learned there would be a formal investigation, he decided to cooperate with the prosecution.

McCabe is charged with assault, dereliction of duty and making false statements. Huertas is charged with dereliction of duty and impeding an investigation. A third Navy Seal, Jonathan Keefe of Yorktown, Pennsylvania, is charged only with dereliction of duty. He faces trial later this week in Baghdad.
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Support for our SEALS:

SupportOurSEALs.com - OPERATION S.O.S. was created in response to 3 Navy SEALs who have been criminally charged with allegedly assaulting one of the most sought after terrorists in Iraq while being detained. Ahmed Hashim Abed is the suspected mastermind of the capture, torture and mutilation of four Blackwater USA security guards whose charred bodies were drug through the streets of Iraq and then hung from a bridge in Fallujah over the Euphrates River in March of 2004. These horrific acts of terror quickly led to the U.S. invasion of Fallujah and ultimately wound up costing many more American lives.

For 5 years, Abed remained a highly sought after target in Iraq until his capture one night in early September, 2009. The details of that night are not quite clear, but one thing is for sure, some of our military's most elite (members of SEAL Team 10) went in and extricated Abed without one casualty. Shortly after Abed was turned over to Iraqi officials, according to Fox News, Abed, whom the military code-named ''Objective Amber'', told investigators he was punched by his captors and he had the bloody lip to prove it. Without hesitation, the SEALs were ordered to give statements and were investigated by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS).
Support Our SEALs | Operation S.O.S.

In case you've forgotten what happened:

Baghdad -- For the occupants of the two gleaming sport utility vehicles cruising down the debris-strewn dual highway that passes for Fallujah's main drag, it would have seemed like just another trip through bandit country.

Like any foreign contractors working in Iraq's trouble spots, they would adhere to the usual rules: keep your bulletproof vest on tight, the machine guns and side-arms ready, and think very carefully before pulling over -- even if you've just knocked a child off his bike.

Exactly how the convoy from Blackwater Security Consulting was stopped probably will never be clear. Some reports suggested it had made the fatal mistake of hitting the brakes when armed men blocked the path, rather than flooring the accelerator in the hope of barging through. Others suggested the occupants already had been dead from gunshots before their cars even ground to a halt.

Given what happened next, their grieving families probably hope profoundly that it was the latter. In an act of savagery shocking even by the blood-soaked standards of Iraq's worst trouble spot, the bodies of the three men and one woman inside the vehicles were beaten, burned, hacked at and then dragged through the streets of Fallujah.

In what turned into a macabre and murderous town fete, locals cheered as one corpse was attached to a car tow rope and pulled triumphantly up and down the main road, in full view of a camera crew.

But there was worse to come: as a crowning glory for the insurgent gunmen, the remains of two charred and mangled corpses were hung from a green iron bridge across the Euphrates River.

"The people of Fallujah hanged some of the bodies on the old bridge like slaughtered sheep," resident Abdul Aziz Mohammed said gleefully.

As if to underline the lack of a dignified final resting place, a man standing near the corpses held up a printed sign with a skull and crossbones. "Fallujah is the cemetery for Americans," it read.

In terms of its sheer bestial violence, the attack on the Blackwater operatives was unprecedented, even for Fallujah, and it reinforced the town's hard-won reputation as a place with an unquenchable hatred for U.S. forces and those who work for them....
Horror at Fallujah -- 4 U.S. contractors die / SAVAGERY: Restive Fallujah 'just doesn't get it,' coalition chief says


I've sent in my donation for their defense, I wear my "SUPPORT OUR SEALS" t-shirt as often as possible, and I pray for them daily.
 
Maybe it's just my perspective, but since when is a serviceman being court martialed for wrong doing considered a hero?
 
Maybe it's just my perspective, but since when is a serviceman being court martialed for wrong doing considered a hero?
When they are falsely accused by a lying terrorist and their cowardly chain of command backs down from supporting them due to political correctness and watching out for their own career butts.

Don't forget, a court martial is a trial, and our SEALs have not been proven guilty of anything.

They are heroes who risked their lives to bring into custody a savage terrorist killer of Americans.
 
What bothers me is that police officers get away with this stuff all the time in our own country, beating up suspects and innocents alike.

I think it's fairly petty what these SEALs are being charged with, but it's being done to make an example of them. I'm a bit divided on the issue of whether they deserve to be court martialed (if they indeed assault the suspect), but I do think it's good to remind ourselves that just because you are in a position of power and authority doesn't mean you are above the law, whether that is the law of our own country, or the natural law of humanity and common decency.
 
At least I know who are in support of the SEALS....
 
"All three SEALs could have received only a disciplinary reprimand, but insisted on a military trial to clear their names and save their careers...."
Iraqi testifies he was beaten by U.S. troops - Washington Times

The SEALs could have received an NJP (non-judicial punishment or captain's mast) which would more equivalent to a civilian misdemeanor. As part of the NJP process, the military member who is charged can request a court martial instead. The court martial is a higher level of trial and punishment, more like a civilian court for a felony. One has to be pretty confident of one's case to request the court martial route.

BTW, that "Navy officer" who is testifying against them is not a commissioned officer but an enlisted third class petty officer, who is junior to all the SEALs involved. Just to correct the civilian news story. It's a common civilian mistake.
 
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Damn ROE (Rules of Engagement) procedures that give too much leeway to terrorists! :mad:
 
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Damn ROE (Rules of Engagement) procedures that give too much leeway to terrorists! :mad:

Blame the soldiers and officers who historically had abused civilians then. The RoE sucks, but there's a reason why they are in place today. Everything in society is built in response to a certain scenario or trend. When legal conducts start suffocating someone, that's usually when society cuts back on the restrictions.
 
"All three SEALs could have received only a disciplinary reprimand, but insisted on a military trial to clear their names and save their careers...."
Iraqi testifies he was beaten by U.S. troops - Washington Times

The SEALs could have received an NJP (non-judicial punishment or captain's mast) which would more equivalent to a civilian misdemeanor. As part of the NJP process, the military member who is charged can request a court martial instead. The court martial is a higher level of trial and punishment, more like a civilian court for a felony. One has to be pretty confident of one's case to request the court martial route.

BTW, that "Navy officer" who is testifying against them is not a commissioned officer but an enlisted third class petty officer, who is junior to all the SEALs involved. Just to correct the civilian news story. It's a common civilian mistake.

At least Murtha isn't around to say anything to call them as "cold blooded..etc..etc"
 
At least Murtha isn't around to say anything to call them as "cold blooded..etc..etc"
Murtha's gone, so let's just leave him out of this.
 
Military courts are notorious for poor judgment. They tend to punish too severely or too lightly.

That's why we should try terrorists in civil trials - that assures that they won't get away at all while military trials let terrorists go.
 
Military courts are notorious for poor judgment. They tend to punish too severely or too lightly.

That's why we should try terrorists in civil trials - that assures that they won't get away at all while military trials let terrorists go.
SEALs don't get a choice of military or civilian court.
 
Military courts are notorious for poor judgment. They tend to punish too severely or too lightly.

That's why we should try terrorists in civil trials - that assures that they won't get away at all while military trials let terrorists go.

Um, no terrorist is being trialled here.... only a Navy SEAL; and he's not being presented in front of a human rights tribunal either. If you want to bring up how terrorists are treated in military courts, at least provide substance to your drawing beforehand.

In my opinion, people who of active military background should be kept separately from realm of the civilians. It's less messy that way-- especially if military members are expected to follow a different set of rules than their civilian counterparts. If you don't want civil and military affairs to be kept separately, then at least subject both worlds to the same set of rules.
 
When they are falsely accused by a lying terrorist and their cowardly chain of command backs down from supporting them due to political correctness and watching out for their own career butts.

Don't forget, a court martial is a trial, and our SEALs have not been proven guilty of anything.

They are heroes who risked their lives to bring into custody a savage terrorist killer of Americans.

how are SEALs falsely accused if Petty Officer Third Class Kevin Demartino verified terrorist's accusation?
 
IMO - this shouldn't even be a case. This is an ugly war... not some nicey-nice combat where everybody have a tea party at the end of the day. This is where terrorists used several tactics to kill soldiers in a ruthless, coward way.

Even more cowardly... people on higher above wanted to pursue this course of legal action against SEALs and make example out of it. What is this mickey mouse nonsense? a bit of rough manhandling during arrest? :roll: Perhaps they should read up on what terrorists did to victims when "arresting" a person of interest.
 
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Jiro said:
IMO - this shouldn't even be a case. This is an ugly war... not some nicey-nice combat where everybody have a tea party at the end of the day. This is where terrorists used several tactics to kill soldiers in a ruthless, coward way.

Even more cowardly... people on higher above wanted to pursue this course of legal action against SEALs and make example out of it. What is this mickey mouse nonsense? a bit of rough manhandling during arrest? :roll: Perhaps they should read up on what terrorists did to victims when "arresting" a person of interest.

Hence I am staying quiet. I want to know all the facts before I pass a judgement on either parties.

Both military and terrorists don't exactly have clear water to gawk at the beauty of.
 
First SEAL cleared!

US military jury clears SEAL in Iraq abuse case


BAGHDAD (AP) — A U.S. military jury cleared a Navy SEAL Thursday of failing to prevent the beating of an Iraqi prisoner suspected of masterminding a 2004 attack that killed four American security contractors.

The contractors' burned bodies were dragged through the streets and two were hanged from a bridge over the Euphrates river in the former insurgent hotbed of Fallujah, in what became a turning point in the Iraq war.

The trial of three SEALs, the Navy's elite special forces unit, in the abuse case has outraged many Americans who see it as coddling terrorists.

A six-man jury found Petty Officer 1st Class Julio Huertas, 29, of Blue Island, Illinois, not guilty of charges of dereliction of duty and attempting to influence the testimony of another service member. The jury spent two hours deliberating the verdict.

"It's a big weight off my shoulders," a smiling and composed Huertas said as he left the courthouse at the U.S. military's Camp Victory on Baghdad's western outskirts.

"Compared to all the physical activity we go through, this has been mentally more challenging."

Huertas said he plans now to continue with his military career and "to go home and kiss my wife."

Huertas was the first of three SEALS to face a court-martial for charges related to the abuse incident and the verdict was a major blow to the government's case. All three SEALs could have received only a disciplinary reprimand, but insisted on a military trial to clear their names and save their careers.

The trial stems from an attack on four Blackwater security contractors who were driving through the city of Fallujah west of Baghdad in early 2004. The images of the bodies hanging from the bridge drove home to many the rising power of the insurgency and helped spark a bloody U.S. invasion of the city to root out the insurgents later that year.

The Iraqi prisoner who was allegedly abused, Ahmed Hashim Abed, testified Wednesday on the opening day of the trial that he was beaten by U.S. troops while hooded and tied to a chair.

Navy Petty Officer 3rd Class Kevin DeMartino, who was assigned to process and transport the prisoner and is not a SEAL, testified he saw one SEAL punch the prisoner in the stomach and watched blood spurt from his mouth. Huertas and the third SEAL were in the narrow holding-room at the time of the incident, he added.

But defense attorneys tried to cast doubt on the beating claims, showing photographs of Abed after the alleged beating in which he had a visible cut inside his lip but no obvious signs of bruising or injuries anywhere else.

In her closing arguments, Huertas' civilian attorney Monica Lombardi pointed to inconsistencies between DeMartino's testimony and nearly every other Navy witness. She also reminded the jury of the terrorism charges against Abed, who is in Iraqi custody and has not yet been tried, saying he could not be trusted and may have inflicted wounds on himself as a way of casting blame on American troops.

"There was no abuse," Lombardi said. "This is classic terrorist training."

After the verdict, Lombardi said the jurors told her they had made their ruling because there were too many inconsistencies in the case and that they did not believe the prisoner.

Prosecutors refused to comment after the verdict, but in his closing argument Lt. Cmdr. Jason Grover said the SEALs were itching for payback for the killings of the Blackwater guards — two of whom were former SEALs — and that now the elite unit had "circled the wagons."

The court-martial of Petty Officer 2nd Class Jonathan Keefe, of Yorktown, Virginia, who is also charged with dereliction of duty on allegations he failed to safeguard the prisoner, is scheduled to begin Friday also at Camp Victory.

Petty Officer 2nd Class Matthew McCabe, of Perrysburg, Ohio, the SEAL charged with assaulting Abed, is scheduled to be court-martialed May 3 in Virginia, where the three men are based.
FOXNews.com - US military jury clears SEAL in Iraq abuse case
 
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