Converting English text to ASL gloss

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  1. mituser

    mituser New Member

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    Dear all,
    I'm new in this forum. And I found it very interesting.

    I'm working on sign language processing. So, I want to know how can i convert English written text to ASL gloss.
    1/ Are there rules to respect ?
    2/ Are there useful online ressources ?

    Thank you.
     
  2. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man New Member

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    That's a huge question. Of course there are rules to respect, and they are very complex and nuanced to the point that nobody could adequately describe them in a forum post. Try describing the rules of any language in the brief format of an internet post and you'd find the task similarly impossible.

    As for online resources, Lifeprint.com is excellent.
     
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    Beowulf Well-Known Member Premium Member

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    Wow, an EXCELLENT reference point for my friends! Thanks!
     
  4. deafskeptic

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    Hey I love that link!
     
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    Smithtr G.G.H.T Premium Member

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    I love it on lifeprint pretty good nice :P
     
  6. mituser

    mituser New Member

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    Oh thank you for the link.

    My need is how to convert English sentence to ASL like this:
    English sentence : What city do you live in?
    In ASL : CITY YOU LIVE?

    or:
    English sentence : Do you like learning sign?
    In ASL : YOU LIKE LEARN SIGN?


    So, I tried to extract grammar rules of English sentences. Then, I want to convert the english written text to ASL.

    Are there any useful ressources ?

    Thansk in advance.
     
  7. Reba

    Reba Retired Terp Premium Member

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    Yes. As you learn ASL, you will learn the rules of grammar and syntax. If you are taking an ASL class, your instructor should be explaining and using the rules.

    Others here have given some online resources. The book that I recommend for learning the grammar rules is from the Green Book Series, titled A Teacher's Resource Text on Grammar and Culture by Charlotte Baker and Dennis Cokely.
    [ame=http://www.amazon.com/American-Language-Teachers-Resource-Grammar/dp/093032384X]Amazon.com: American Sign Language Green Books, A Teacher's Resource Text on Grammar and Culture (Green Book Series) (9780930323844): Charlotte Baker-Shenk, Dennis Cokely: Books[/ame]
     
  8. mituser

    mituser New Member

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    Thank you

    Hi Reba,

    thank you very much.
    I think that i have to buy the book. It seems interesting.
    I found also :
    [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Linguistics-American-Sign-Language-Introduction/dp/1563682834/ref=pd_sim_b_1]Amazon.com: Linguistics of American Sign Language: An Introduction, 4th Ed. (9781563682834): Clayton Valli, Ceil Lucas, Kristin J. Mulrooney: Books[/ame]

    Have a good day.
     
  9. Mountain Man

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    I'm not sure what you're looking for exactly. If you mean a simple guide for translating English to ASL, you're unlikely to find anything like that.

    And for the record, neither of those examples are ASL. I might translate the first one as:

    CITY YOU FROM NAME WHAT?

    and the second:

    SIGN LANGUAGE YOU LEARN ENJOY?

    The problem with translating into sign language this way is that, obviously, it's words and not signs, but also you're not getting any of the non-manual grammatical signals and affect that are a part of the language.
     
  10. Jazzberry

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    I'm new to this, but I've been wondering why don't glosses include commas (for where one would pause in their signing) and notations to indicate facial expressions?
     
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    I am an ASL 101 student in desparate need for a English to Gloss translator. Does anyone have any suggestions?
     
  12. Euphoria

    Euphoria New Member

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    The green books by Dennis Cokely have helped me a lot. At first I didn't understand, but one of my Deaf teachers explained it much better than a hearing teacher I previously had.

    These books DO have notations to indicate facial expressions and direction references. It also has many other symbols and notations to represent various parts of the sentences.There is no "true" written form of ASL, but I find these green books very helpful.
     
  13. respectyoda

    respectyoda New Member

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    There is one book titled "Linguistics of ASL" and throughout the book, one can find glosses of phrases that have symbols and notations to show face expressions and direction, location, and pronoun references. Also, there are certain terms that can be used for mouth morphemes such as CHA. :)


    There is no such program that functions as an English to Gloss translator. You will need to use help from skilled ASL users who have a strong understanding of linguistics to help in that regard. That's why we are here to help you!
     
  14. LydiaR

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    Help

    Hey, I've recently become enthralled with signing and the deaf community i realize tht as a hearing person i cant just step into the deaf world but it really interests me.
    I'm wanting help to translate the song "how Deep The Father's Love For Us" into gloss.
    here are the words:
    How deep the Father's love for us,
    How vast beyond all measure
    That He should give His only Son
    To make a wretch His treasure

    How great the pain of searing loss,
    The Father turns His face away
    As wounds which mar the chosen One,
    Bring many sons to glory

    Behold the Man upon a cross,
    My sin upon His shoulders
    Ashamed I hear my mocking voice,
    Call out among the scoffers

    It was my sin that held Him ther
    Until it was accomplished
    His dying breath has brought me life
    I know that it is finished

    I will not boast in anything
    No gifts, no power, no wisdom
    But I will boast in Jesus Christ
    His death and resurrection

    Why should I gain from His reward?
    I cannot give an answer
    But this I know with all my heart
    His wounds have paid my ransom
     
  15. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man New Member

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    Translating artistic expressions like music and poetry is a whole different matter than straight translations from English. You really need to look past the language and find the deep meaning of the text.

    For example, the first lines of the song, "How deep the Father's love for us; How vast beyond all measure" could be signed as GOD LOVE WOW-AWESOME; FOREVER LIMIT NONE

    Of course nobody here is going to translate the whole song for you. Show us what you've come up with, and I'm sure you'll get some feedback.
     
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  16. dame_rude

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    Gloss Conversion

    I too, at 57, am an ASL student. In the second year you have to convert fables to gloss and present to the teacher and another Deaf adult your production. The grade if not just for your signing, but your expressions (which hearing people do not use) and shoulder shifting and also a copy of your Gloss. It is hard work (which is why the assignment is given over the spring break. Many students are looking for Quick and Easy answers to this problem. BUT, if you can't do the majority of the work yourself, how do you plan on being an interpreter for the Deaf? It is a way to get you focused on what you need to do to succeed in the business! Good luck to all who are assigned this project.
     

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