747 Cargo Plane Crash in Afghanistan

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  1. Jiro

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    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLWKFVZqJGE]Boeing 747 crash at Bagram Airfield caught on tape. Afghanistan Cargo Aircraft. - YouTube[/ame]

     
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    I heard from a couple of Air Force loadmasters that it looked like a major cargo shift. That would either be extreme negligence or sabotage.
     
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    that was my thought. the way it suddenly changed direction during take-off does definitely look like a major cargo shift. I'm guessing something that keeps cargo in place snapped off.
     
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    The cargo floor has places to lock the cargo in place. The pallets are either covered with single straps or webbed netting. They are locked into the tracks on the floor/deck. They are loaded in order by weight for even distribution. If one pallet breaks loose and hits another, that shifts thousands of pounds in seconds. That throws the plane off balance.

    TCS rode in a smaller version military cargo plane six times. He rode with the rest of his team in the cargo area, along the fuselage. Even the weight of the passengers is carefully distributed.
     
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    Why can't pilot recovering from a stall by dive, just like this;

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    :hmm:
     
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    in the pix - let's see if the plane can do that with improper weight distribution. plus - not enough altitude to recover from a stall.

    in the video - it appears that the plane stalled while it's on sharp right turn and then a pilot attempted to recover by evening it out but too bad there's not enough altitude to level off.
     
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    Because of the area, Cargo planes take off at a very steep angle. (From news) A major cargo shift would be extremely difficult to overcome. Former TSB guy said engines could be heard revving and trying to recover. Dunno.
     
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    That video was quite something to watch.
     
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    Well... that was a 747 loaded up with MRAPS (up armored HMMVs). Considering this weight shift, there simply wasn't enough height to recover.
     
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    Then wouldn't that mean in was an inside job if was sabotage? How else would someone be able to pull that off? I did this too, I hope we're wrong.
     
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    it really looks like something from action movie w/ a mind-blowing visual effect. can't believe this is... actually real.
     
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    simple - not securing a cargo load properly.
     
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    Same it was unreal to watch the whole event unfold in every detail.
     
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    basically from reading various news, one guy who is expert about cargo flights, he said that during the take off and try to go upward, the cargo straps may snapped and break away and start rolling toward the tail of the plane which causing to shifted the weight so there's no way to recover from stalled plane, it's impossible. So, sometime the straps may malfunctions, bolts failed, hooks failed or whatever. The cargo weight maybe evenly distributed while on ground but when take off...thing changed inside.
     
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    Expert looks at 'confluence of circumstances' in Bagram crash - CNN.com
    one thing that has been bothering me is that it can't be improper weight distribution because these guys are well-trained and thorough. they have a great system and procedure to ensure that everything's in order. it's so effective and great that we rarely hear of cargo plane crashing.

    a plausible scenario? a pilot had a black-out? fainted? heart attack?
     
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    There was not enough room to recover, the plane did not get the high up enough .
     
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    There were two pilots.
     
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    a bit too late for copilot to take over.

    would be nice to talk to somebody who is familiar with a take-off procedure for a cargo plane like this.
     
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    If the pilot just passed out, the other pilot takes over immediately. If the cargo shifted instead of the pilot passing out, that's a different situation. There would be no way to manually overcome that.
     
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    since this was a Boeing 747-400 plane... just found a video with same plane... of course different configuration but probably same cockpits

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huhtY2OryF0]Cockpit - Boeing 747-400 Takeoff from Hong Kong - YouTube[/ame]
     

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