Pilots lock down cockpit over praying passengers

rockin'robin · 03-13-2011, 09:28 PM

LOS ANGELES – Pilots on an Alaska Airlines flight locked down the cockpit and alerted authorities after three passengers conducted an elaborate orthodox Jewish prayer ritual during their Los Angeles-bound flight.

Airline spokeswoman Bobbie Egan says the crew of Flight 241 from Mexico City became alarmed Sunday after the men began the ritual, which involves tying leather straps and small wooden boxes to the body.

The cockpit was placed on a security lockdown — meaning the door couldn't be opened even for pilots to leave briefly.

FBI and customs agents, along with police and fire crews, met the plane at the gate at Los Angeles International Airport.

Airport police say three men — all Mexican nationals — were escorted off the plane, questioned by the FBI, and released. They were not arrested.

Pilots lock down cockpit over praying passengers - Yahoo! News

**Dixie** · 03-14-2011, 12:34 AM

Now that's weird. Jews who are Mexican nationals.

**Reba** · 03-14-2011, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Dixie

Now that's weird. Jews who are Mexican nationals.

Perhaps even Hasidim?

**Dixie** · 03-14-2011, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Perhaps even Hasidim?

Are you referring to their open worship aboard a plane in front of passengers and staff?

If this is what you are referring to then I agree as I seldom see people openly worshiping or practicing their religion whichever it is they practice.

**Reba** · 03-15-2011, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Dixie

Are you referring to their open worship aboard a plane in front of passengers and staff?

If this is what you are referring to then I agree as I seldom see people openly worshiping or practicing their religion whichever it is they practice.

Because of the description of the use of the tefillin.

Hasidism.info -- FAQ on Hasidism (Chassidism) Part 2 of 3

**KristinaB** · 03-15-2011, 11:45 AM

I know my MIL always does a blessing before we eat, even in public at restaurants. Lately, we have had the wait staff ask us to not do it again as it was offensive to others n the dining room. My thought is, if we are being quiet and not including others, what's the issue?

rockin'robin · 03-15-2011, 12:13 PM

We always pray before eating, even at restaurants, fast food places too...we've never been asked to cease...if we were, I would not eat there again....Our simple prayer goes...."Thank you for the world so sweet.....Thank you for the food we eat....Thank you for the birds that sing....Thank you, God...for everything"...Amen...it's a simple prayer of thanks, not elaborate or noisy!

**Reba** · 03-15-2011, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KristinaB

I know my MIL always does a blessing before we eat, even in public at restaurants. Lately, we have had the wait staff ask us to not do it again as it was offensive to others n the dining room. My thought is, if we are being quiet and not including others, what's the issue?

We always pray before eating our meals, whether public or private. I would inform the manager of that restaurant that if they don't like you praying there they won't have to worry about it in the future because you won't be coming back.

**Jiro** · 03-15-2011, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dixie

Now that's weird. Jews who are Mexican nationals.

there are even German Jews.... and black Jews.... and Asian Jews....

**Reba** · 03-15-2011, 12:30 PM

Beit Hatfutsot

dogmom · 03-15-2011, 12:43 PM

there are many Jewish people who are of Mexican or Latin American descent
Converso - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
as well as Irish Jews, African-American Jews as Jiro mentioned...

as far as the group wrapping tefillin etc <yes those could be Hasidim of which there are many sects> on the plane...I don't know, I can see both sides there.

**KristinaB** · 03-15-2011, 12:44 PM

Hey Jiro - Off Topic here, but for some reason, I see your little dog running faster than before. Did you give him an energy drink or something?

**Dixie** · 03-16-2011, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

there are even German Jews.... and black Jews.... and Asian Jews....

Yes I know a Jew can be any color/race, but it's the first time I've heard of Mexican Jew.

I've known about German Jews for as long as I can remember and I know of black Jews in Northern Africa.

Not saying it's bad or 'wrong', just noticed the oddity of it. Kind of makes me think of a Gringo standing at the Wailing Wall for some reason.

**Reba** · 03-16-2011, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Dixie

...Not saying it's bad or 'wrong', just noticed the oddity of it. Kind of makes me think of a Gringo standing at the Wailing Wall for some reason.

?

**Jiro** · 03-16-2011, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by KristinaB

Hey Jiro - Off Topic here, but for some reason, I see your little dog running faster than before. Did you give him an energy drink or something?

probably found a scent of Domestic Dissent

**Jiro** · 03-16-2011, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dixie

Yes I know a Jew can be any color/race, but it's the first time I've heard of Mexican Jew.

I've known about German Jews for as long as I can remember and I know of black Jews in Northern Africa.

Not saying it's bad or 'wrong', just noticed the oddity of it. Kind of makes me think of a Gringo standing at the Wailing Wall for some reason.

lol ok

Steinhauer · 03-16-2011, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KristinaB

I know my MIL always does a blessing before we eat, even in public at restaurants. Lately, we have had the wait staff ask us to not do it again as it was offensive to others n the dining room. My thought is, if we are being quiet and not including others, what's the issue?

My family did this as well when I was growing up. We probably would have talked to the manager and explained they would not be getting any more business from our church members on Sundays.

03-13-2011, 09:28 PM	#1 (permalink)
rockin'robin Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 15,298	Pilots lock down cockpit over praying passengers LOS ANGELES – Pilots on an Alaska Airlines flight locked down the cockpit and alerted authorities after three passengers conducted an elaborate orthodox Jewish prayer ritual during their Los Angeles-bound flight. Airline spokeswoman Bobbie Egan says the crew of Flight 241 from Mexico City became alarmed Sunday after the men began the ritual, which involves tying leather straps and small wooden boxes to the body. The cockpit was placed on a security lockdown — meaning the door couldn't be opened even for pilots to leave briefly. FBI and customs agents, along with police and fire crews, met the plane at the gate at Los Angeles International Airport. Airport police say three men — all Mexican nationals — were escorted off the plane, questioned by the FBI, and released. They were not arrested. Pilots lock down cockpit over praying passengers - Yahoo! News

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KristinaB New SDIT Deacon Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Land of the backstroke Posts: 13,775	I know my MIL always does a blessing before we eat, even in public at restaurants. Lately, we have had the wait staff ask us to not do it again as it was offensive to others n the dining room. My thought is, if we are being quiet and not including others, what's the issue?

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rockin'robin Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 15,298	We always pray before eating, even at restaurants, fast food places too...we've never been asked to cease...if we were, I would not eat there again....Our simple prayer goes...."Thank you for the world so sweet.....Thank you for the food we eat....Thank you for the birds that sing....Thank you, God...for everything"...Amen...it's a simple prayer of thanks, not elaborate or noisy!

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Reba Granny Terp Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 39,161	Beit Hatfutsot

03-15-2011, 12:43 PM	#11 (permalink)
dogmom Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 5,475	there are many Jewish people who are of Mexican or Latin American descent Converso - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia as well as Irish Jews, African-American Jews as Jiro mentioned... as far as the group wrapping tefillin etc <yes those could be Hasidim of which there are many sects> on the plane...I don't know, I can see both sides there.