Permanent Markers Will Get You Arrested in School

yizuman · 12-23-2010, 12:39 AM

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Using marker at school leads to OKC teen's arrest
A Roosevelt Middle School teacher made a citizen's arrest Friday on an Oklahoma City student who was caught using a permanent marker to write on a desk.

Perhaps parents need to check supply lists and backpacks before sending their students back to school after winter break.

A 13-year-old was arrested Friday in Oklahoma City, accused of violating a little-known city ordinance that prohibits possession of a permanent marker in some circumstances.
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The teen was caught using a permanent marker at Roosevelt Middle School by a teacher, according to the crime report filed with the Oklahoma City Police Department.

Delynn Woodside noted the marker had bled through a piece of paper onto the desk and reported to a police officer that she also had seen the teen writing on the desk with the marker, the report said.

Woodside, a seventh-grade math teacher, made a citizen's arrest on the teen, and the police officer transferred the student to a Community Intervention Center that houses juveniles who have been arrested. The name of the minor was not released.

District spokeswoman Kathleen Kennedy said district officials will look into the incident when students return from winter break, which began Friday.

Under City Ordinance 35-202, it is illegal for any person to possess spray paint or a permanent marker on private property without the permission of the property owner.

“No person may possess an aerosol spray paint container or broad-tipped indelible marker on any private property unless the owner, agent, manager, or other person having control of the property consented to the presence of the aerosol spray paint container or broad-tipped indelible marker,” the ordinance reads.

The law appears to be directed at curbing graffiti and is under the nuisance chapter of city ordinance.

Source: Using marker at school leads to OKC teen's arrest | NewsOK.com

/sarcasm on

OMG he's carrying a permanent marker! He's a terrorist! Call 911!!

/sarcasm off

Come on people, why so serious??

Yiz

**shel90** · 12-23-2010, 07:30 AM

Uh oh...better get rid of the permanment markers that I have in my classroom.

jillio · 12-23-2010, 09:47 AM

Hey, the kid was committing an act of vandalism. Those desks belong to the school system. No different than if he had used spray paint on the building. It wasn't the marker that got him arrested. It was what he was doing with the marker.

**Banjo** · 12-23-2010, 09:50 AM

Sounds like vandalism to me. I hate it when I see vandalism. Although, wouldn't in-house suspension have been more ideal though? Just saying.

jillio · 12-23-2010, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

Sounds like vandalism to me. I hate it when I see vandalism. Although, wouldn't in-house suspension have been more ideal though? Just saying.

That is probably what would have been done in the past. Maybe this is an area that has been subject to a great deal of vandalism, so the law was passed making permanent markers illegal in certain areas. I bet the kids aren't allowed to walk around school with cans of spray paint, either. It is very expensive to clean this type of stuff up.

In the town I live in, someone spray painted a racial slur on a public building in a park a couple of years ago. The city had to come up with $2,000 from an already strained budget to have it removed. The school cannot just leave things on a desk. We don't even know what the kid wrote. Maybe it was a sexual reference, maybe it was a racial slur, who knows? At any rate, it has to be cleaned up. Permanent means permanent. You can't wash it away with a little soap and water.

PowerON · 12-23-2010, 10:18 AM

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Under City Ordinance 35-202, it is illegal for any person to possess spray paint or a permanent marker on private property without the permission of the property owner

But that school is public, not private owner.

jillio · 12-23-2010, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

But that school is public, not private owner.

Nope. School grounds are considered a private area. That is why you have to have permission to even be there.

**deafskeptic** · 12-23-2010, 10:35 AM

OMG, I would have been been labeled a terrorist back in the 6th grade! I remember writing stuff on the underside of a table with a marker and being made to clean up after myself for doing that. I didn't get supended or anything like that.

**shel90** · 12-23-2010, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by deafskeptic

OMG, I would have been been labeled a terrorist back in the 6th grade! I remember writing stuff on the underside of a table with a marker and being made to clean up after myself for doing that. I didn't get supended or anything like that.

Kids at my school would use pockeknives to carve pictures in the desks. Man, the '80s were dangerous times, heh?

PowerON · 12-23-2010, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Nope. School grounds are considered a private area. That is why you have to have permission to even be there.

so, that public school isn't own by city but someone who actual own that ground? Hmm...

yizuman · 12-23-2010, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

But that school is public, not private owner.

Right, the school belongs to the taxpayers. Nice of them to steal "OUR" property and claim it as his/her own.

Somebody need to file a "stolen property" claim with the police.

Yiz

yizuman · 12-23-2010, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

so, that public school isn't own by city but someone who actual own that ground? Hmm...

I call shenanigans on that!

Yiz

**Banjo** · 12-23-2010, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

so, that public school isn't own by city but someone who actual own that ground? Hmm...

No, that would be the Board of Education. The taxpayers don't own the schools nor the properties.

jillio · 12-23-2010, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

so, that public school isn't own by city but someone who actual own that ground? Hmm...

Just because it is owned by the city doesn't make it public property. And actually, it is owned by the school district. The city owns the courthouse, too, but they can restrict what items are brought in.

***VamPyroX*** · 12-23-2010, 11:37 AM

Jeez... what is this world coming to!?

I wrote on my desk with a permanent marker when I was a kid. My teacher simply punished me by having me clean it off myself. After I struggled with not getting it off, she had the janitor do it for me. I learned my lesson.

**Bottesini** · 12-23-2010, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

Jeez... what is this world coming to!?

I wrote on my desk with a permanent marker when I was a kid. My teacher simply punished me by having me clean it off myself. After I struggled with not getting it off, she had the janitor do it for me. I learned my lesson.

I was thinking the same.

**TWA** · 12-23-2010, 12:01 PM

I think arresting a student for doing what misbehaving students often do is absurd. The punishment does not fit the crime in this case. At the same time, I think there are much bigger issues of police brutality and uneven justice that we should focus on. I'm hardly giving my sympathy to the student.

Also, not that I think what the kid did was okay, but I would sue the teacher for making a citizen's arrest.

PowerON · 12-23-2010, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

No, that would be the Board of Education. The taxpayers don't own the schools nor the properties.

but... tax went to school to building and own by city... omg.. that's so confuse...

jillio · 12-23-2010, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by yizuman

Right, the school belongs to the taxpayers. Nice of them to steal "OUR" property and claim it as his/her own.

Somebody need to file a "stolen property" claim with the police.

Yiz

No. The school does not belong to the taxpayers. The taxpayers only fund education.

**Banjo** · 12-23-2010, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PowerON

but... tax went to school to building and own by city... omg.. that's so confuse...

So should you be granted access to top secret area at the Pentagon just because it was built with taxpayers' money?

deafbajagal · 12-23-2010, 12:25 PM

I found it funny when a new student joined my class a few weeks ago...one student told her, "Don't write on her desks! She'll make you clean ALL of them. She's a clean freak!" LOL

Yeah, the punishment for this "crime" was overboard unless he was making a death threat or something. A good bucket of warm water, soap, and scrubbing sponge work wonders.

**TWA** · 12-23-2010, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by deafbajagal

I found it funny when a new student joined my class a few weeks ago...one student told her, "Don't write on her desks! She'll make you clean ALL of them. She's a clean freak!" LOL

Yeah, the punishment for this "crime" was overboard unless he was making a death threat or something. A good bucket of warm water, soap, and scrubbing sponge work wonders.

That would be a perfect punishment. But yeah, now that you point it out, we don't really know what the student was writing, and that's an important piece of information to leave out. This news story was skewed in the favor of the student to make the teacher and the law look absurd, but who knows what really happened?

yizuman · 12-23-2010, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

No. The school does not belong to the taxpayers. The taxpayers only fund education.

So where did the School get the money to build a school?

**Jiro** · 12-23-2010, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by yizuman

So where did the School get the money to build a school?

no. it's not about where they get the money from. it's about who owns what. Just because the construction of school was funded by taxpayers doesn't mean taxpayers own it. The town/city owns it. Taxpayers simply fund it.

Glenn · 12-23-2010, 01:16 PM

Schools are not like parks; they are not there for everyone to use. Schools are for a specific purpose and simply because they are taxpayer funded doesn't mean taxpayers have free reign over them.

yizuman · 12-23-2010, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

no. it's not about where they get the money from. it's about who owns what. Just because the construction of school was funded by taxpayers doesn't mean taxpayers own it. The town/city owns it. Taxpayers simply fund it.

And where did the town/city get the money to build a town/city? When it all comes down to it, follow the money.

Yiz

**Reba** · 12-23-2010, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

No. The school does not belong to the taxpayers. The taxpayers only fund education.

Who funds the purchase of the land, construction and furnishing of the buildings, and maintenance of the campus?

**Reba** · 12-23-2010, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by deafbajagal

I found it funny when a new student joined my class a few weeks ago...one student told her, "Don't write on her desks! She'll make you clean ALL of them. She's a clean freak!" LOL

Yeah, the punishment for this "crime" was overboard unless he was making a death threat or something. A good bucket of warm water, soap, and scrubbing sponge work wonders.

Yes, punishment should be cleaning up the messes, or, if they can't be cleaned, paying for the damages. A little detention time wouldn't hurt, especially if it's used for clean up work.

Our police have more urgent things to do than classroom discipline.

**Jiro** · 12-23-2010, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by yizuman

And where did the town/city get the money to build a town/city? When it all comes down to it, follow the money.

Yiz

by your logic - since your wife receives Medicare which is funded by taxpayers, that means we get to make medical decision for your wife. it's our money after all.....

**Jiro** · 12-23-2010, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn

Schools are not like parks; they are not there for everyone to use. Schools are for a specific purpose and simply because they are taxpayer funded doesn't mean taxpayers have free reign over them.

exactly. if the people want to be decision makers for school - they can simply run for school board.

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12-23-2010, 09:47 AM	#3 (permalink)
jillio Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 60,296	Hey, the kid was committing an act of vandalism. Those desks belong to the school system. No different than if he had used spray paint on the building. It wasn't the marker that got him arrested. It was what he was doing with the marker.

12-23-2010, 09:50 AM	#4 (permalink)
Banjo Expelled Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 11,650	Sounds like vandalism to me. I hate it when I see vandalism. Although, wouldn't in-house suspension have been more ideal though? Just saying.

12-23-2010, 12:01 PM	#17 (permalink)
TWA Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 5,374	I think arresting a student for doing what misbehaving students often do is absurd. The punishment does not fit the crime in this case. At the same time, I think there are much bigger issues of police brutality and uneven justice that we should focus on. I'm hardly giving my sympathy to the student. Also, not that I think what the kid did was okay, but I would sue the teacher for making a citizen's arrest.

12-23-2010, 12:25 PM	#21 (permalink)
deafbajagal Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: USA Posts: 5,171	I found it funny when a new student joined my class a few weeks ago...one student told her, "Don't write on her desks! She'll make you clean ALL of them. She's a clean freak!" LOL Yeah, the punishment for this "crime" was overboard unless he was making a death threat or something. A good bucket of warm water, soap, and scrubbing sponge work wonders.

12-23-2010, 01:16 PM	#25 (permalink)
Glenn Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Washington Posts: 2,909	Schools are not like parks; they are not there for everyone to use. Schools are for a specific purpose and simply because they are taxpayer funded doesn't mean taxpayers have free reign over them.