Octuplets' grandmother faces foreclosure threat - Page 8

Babyblue · 02-25-2009, 11:41 PM

Shel or Deafbajagirl. do you guys have a teachers aid? I sure do wish I had one.

Or any other teachers on board of this site....?

**Jiro** · 02-25-2009, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by LuciaDisturbed

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WHOA!!! that's gotta be the AD'S WORLD LONGEST POST!!!

LuciaDisturbed · 02-26-2009, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

I don't know what makes anyone think that this woman is capable of taking care of 14 children on her own when she has already proven that she can't care for the 6 she already has at home.

CPS should be involved. The hospital officials have done the right thing by these babies by involving the authorities.

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I agree.

I've been attacked in another thread

for saying that it is humanely IMPOSSIBLE to care for the eight fragile babies along with caring for the 6 older children that are 7 and under, and IMPOSSIBLE to keep all 14 children safe from all kinds of dangers that are around the house that are often overlooked, etc, especially once the octuplets have learned how to crawl and pull themselves up to stand up with support of various objects, when there is only ONE ADULT. I still stand by my opinions and I feel that Kaiser is doing the right thing in not possibly discharging the fragile octuplets to Nadya until she has appropriate living arrangements to safely care for all 14 children and so that all the 14 children can live together comfortably. Trying to fit/cram all 14 children along with Nadya and her parents into a 3 bedroom house is like putting all the cats and kittens and dogs and puppies in cages at the Humane Society, to fit the animals all in cages and kennels in small rooms. 14 children plus 3 adults (Nadya and her parents) which makes 17 people living in a 3 bedroom house is just too cramped for everyone, and no one is going to be comfortable at all, especially the children. I just do not see how she can fit all 14 children comfortably in 3 bedrooms, even if the mother chose to sleep in the living room or something, the 3 bedrooms still would not be enough to fit all 14 children comfortably. The 6 children would end up in 6 bunk beds, one child per bed (2 or more children sharing a single bed would not be acceptable by CPS, I'm pretty sure) and the octuplets would end up in cribs, one baby per crib too, (2 or more babies sharing a crib might not be acceptable by CPS either). Bunks are two beds high. That's 3 sets of bunk beds which makes a total of 6 beds. I think you can only fit 2 sets of bunk beds in 1 bedroom, maybe 3 sets if the bedroom is big enough and you can arrange it in such a way so that it does not violate health and fire codes and regulations as well as the CPS regulations/rules/guidelines of how many children allowed per bedroom. If the bedroom is big enough to fit 3 sets of bunk beds for the oldest 6 children, the question still is how would you fit 8 babies in another room? (If the grandparents still sleep in the 3rd bedroom - I think since they own the house and have been falling behind in their mortgage payments in order to provide for the oldest 6 children, they deserve their own bedroom for comfort, since they have done so much for Nadya and her 6 oldest kids, they should get to sleep in their own room) Without sharing cribs? One baby per crib? I'm looking around my bedroom right now surveying how one would arrange eight cribs into one normal-sized bedroom. I looked around my normal-sized bedroom and it looks like I would only be able to fit 5 cribs into my bedroom if my bedroom was empty, and even so, that still does not leave enough space for a changing table (to change diapers). Therefore, I would reduce the number of cribs to 4 per bedroom so there would be room for a changing table. That still leaves 4 more babies with nowhere to sleep, and the 3rd room would be where the grandparents are sleeping in (unless the grandparents chooses to find somewhere else to sleep, but they deserve to have their own room since this is their own house that they bought, and they have done everything for and have provided everything for Nadya and the oldest 6 children, and it would not be fair to kick them out of their bedroom). They would be sleeping in a queen or king size bed, so there would not be room for 4 cribs in that room, either. I have a queen size bed myself, and if I removed my TV, the TV stand, my dresser, my night table, my lamp stand, my computer desk, my computer, and another set of drawers and some shelves, and a floor fan, I would still only be able to fit only ONE crib in my bedroom, and a changing table as well, and my bedroom is normal-sized. That still leaves 3 babies with nowhere to sleep. I don't think babies living in the living room would be acceptable by CPS in California, but it is not acceptable at all in Wisconsin - I was told by my foster mom who I used to live with when I was in high school that it is not acceptable by CPS in Wisconsin. I know that cramming 17 people, of which 14 are minors, would not be allowed by CPS at all in any state if this was a foster home. It's not a foster home, but, if we followed the CPS regulations of how many children to a room, etc, this 3 bedroom house would not be acceptable at all no matter what. Also, even though I do not know all the CPS regulations/rules/guidelines in California for how many children per bedroom according to the bedroom sizes and also how many children to how many square feet you have in your entire home, I do know that in Wisconsin, if you were a foster family, you are only allowed to have a maximum of 2 children to a bedroom if it is a normal sized bedroom. If the room is smaller than normal, then only 1 child can be in that room no matter what, even if you put bunk beds in there. That is not acceptable to the Wisconsin CPS. Their rules are that if you can fit 2 single beds and a dresser in a normal room, both beds has to be on the floor without having to stack them like bunk beds, and still have about 3 feet in between the beds to walk between the 2 beds and neither beds nor the other bedroom furniture are blocking the way to the door in case of a fire, then you can put 2 children in that normal room. If you can only fit 1 bed in a smaller room without stacking the beds like bunk beds and can still fit 1 dresser, then only 1 child is allowed in that smaller room. If the room is much bigger than those two room sizes I mentioned and you want to put more than 2 children in that room, then you have to have the CPS authorities come to your home and measure the bedroom and then determine how many children can be allowed in that bigger room according to how many square feet is in that room. No children are allowed to be sleeping in the living room or in a basement, it has to be a regular normal bedroom meant for the children to sleep in, play in, and do other normal things. CPS also comes out to your house if you want to become a foster parent and they measure your entire house and then determine how many children you can foster at one time in addition to the children of your own. Sometimes, if you have a large family (both foster children plus children of your own) you have to get a special license to foster an additional child or two. That's what the CPS did in one foster home I was in, because it was a large family, but CPS allowed me to come live with them and licensed them for an additional child so that they could take me in because one of the parents were deaf and they all use ASL so they could accommodate my needs as a deaf child. In this home, I had my own room because it was too small for two children. I know this much because I grew up in foster care. Sometimes I shared a room if the room is big enough, and sometimes, I had a room to myself because it is too small for 2 children, and I was told all this by one of my foster mothers who has been fostering for a really long time, for many years. CPS in Wisconsin does not allow for children to be living in cramped living quarters. I am not sure how it works in California as I have never lived in California, but I am pretty sure that the CPS there have similar rules and regulations and guidelines of how many children are allowed to sleep/live in a room according to how many square feet the room has. And since Nadya is living in a 3 bedroom house, it's pretty likely the CPS will not allow her to have the babies come home until she finds something much much much more suitable than what she has right now. There's also the concern of how many bathrooms that house has. She has 6 children at home plus her parents and herself....that's 9 people, and if the house has only 1 bathroom...I truly feel sorry for the grandparents and for the children, I wouldn't be surprised if the children had frequent accidents because the bathroom is always occupied at the worst possible moments. So, add 8 more babies, and when they get old enough to use the toilet...that will be 17 people and one bathroom. CPS might find this unacceptable (maybe not now, but when the babies become old enough to use the toilet - around 2 or 3 years old). There is bound to be tons of accidents because very small children cannot hold their bladder or their bowels for even one minute. Especially if Nadya tries to start to toilet-train them when they are old enough to begin toilet training. That's going to be quite a feat, if there is only one bathroom. The small children being toilet trained might start thinking, "oh well, I'll pee in my pants and mommy will just clean me up" and that will become a problem, and they might not be successfully toilet trained until they are much older because they have to wait ALL the time for the bathroom to be free if there is 17 people in the house and someone is ALWAYS in there. I know children should learn patience, but that's going to be very difficult with eight very small children of the same age. Imagine trying to toilet-train eight children all at the same time, anyway, that is still going to be quite a feat even if there are 4 bathrooms or more. And then there are the grandparents who are old enough to develop bladder issues, especially incontinence.

I know very well that this is not a foster home, but is her own family, but I have a feeling that CPS in California might use the regulations/rules/guidelines that they use for foster homes to determine whether the 3 bedroom house is adequate for all 14 children, and they may look at many other things to determine whether Nadya can provide for, care for, and keep all 14 children safe all on her own with no one to help her at all, since her parents are clearly refusing to help her anymore, her mother already had said so. Right now they are only allowing her to stay at home, but it looks like they won't be doing anything anymore.

Continued in next post.

LuciaDisturbed · 02-26-2009, 02:58 AM

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If she wants to prove to Kaiser or the State of California and CPS that she can provide adequate and proper housing for all of her 14 children, and that she can keep all 14 children safe and out of any kind of danger, I would think she should get a place that has 8 bedrooms and at least 2 bathrooms (4 would be preferable), which is of course going to be completely and humanely impossible for her to get because of course she has no job therefore no income except the measly public assistance checks and the measly food stamps she gets each month (if it was just one person, the food stamps are usually plenty, but if you have a family, that's when you start to really feel the pinch and it becomes measly, I believe the government has a website that lists the amount of food stamps for each family size) and plus the cost of living in California is quite very high, so there is no way in hell she will ever be able to afford even a crappy run-down 8 bedroom house even in the ghetto. Even a house in the ghetto with that many bedrooms will cost $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ even if it has just one bathroom, and even then, it would be falling apart, which of course would not be acceptable by CPS at all anyway, rundown houses often have so many fire regulation violations and health regulation violations and so many safety issues as well as the issue of lead paint especially if the house was built in the early 1900s. (I do not know what year they stopped making lead paint) And she would have to spend a very vast amount of time carefully inspecting the house and the front and back yard and garage and anywhere around the house to make sure it is completely child-proof and baby-proof (even then, I do not think you can achieve a 100% child-proof and baby-proof household) and still will overlook something, and with 14 children, one of them is bound to get hurt or harmed somehow by something that she may have overlooked, and she has no money to pay for someone to come and professionally inspect her house and the yards and the garage and anywhere around the outside of the house and to completely child/baby-proof it for her. And I do not know of any house that has more than 2 bathrooms and more than 6 bedrooms except the fancy mansions in the rich side of the town that rich families have, or where the celebrities live, etc, or if they are group homes or halfway houses (I have seen them and they are pretty bad!). I said that she should get a place that has 8 bedrooms and at least 2 (I prefer 4) bathrooms because of the CPS's guidelines/rules/regulations regarding how many children to a room depending on how many square feet a bedroom has, etc...if she got a place with 8 bedrooms, then 2 children can sleep in each bedroom if they are big enough, and the 8th room would be for Nadya. Or she could just get a 7 bedrooms place which would be a bit cheaper and sleep in the living room on the couch herself...sacrificing her own bedroom so that children will have adequate sleeping quarters won't kill her. She can just sleep on the couch. That's what responsible parents do, they sacrifice their own things that they want in order to make sure that their children get what they need and are comfortable and are healthy and safe. But to be completely honest, I don't think she can do any of this...she cannot even afford a one-room shack. So, it's just not going to happen. Unless someone who is filthy rich decides to buy a 8 bedroom house with 2 to 4 bathrooms and donates it to her. I hope someone does, for the sake of all the poor children. But the chances of that happening is pretty unlikely. We'll see. And that's my realistic opinion. No, I am not being unmerciful like one AD'er would like to claim, I am simply being realistic. Being realistic does not mean I am being unmerciful as sculleywr thinks I am being. I am not being merciful to anyone, but I do of course am disgusted with Nadya for making such inappropriate decisions to be implanted with SIX embryos, resulting in this unfortunate and dire situation, and for her not realizing that what she has done was wrong, especially when she is on public assistance, living in a 3 bedroom house with her parents, and no job and no other income, and no one to help her care for all of her children, especially since her parents are refusing to help her anymore now, and especially since she's already had SIX children who were conceived through previous IVF treatments which the state also paid for. Yes, I know the doctor was also wrong...but it's not only the doctor. It's both the doctor and Nadya, both of them are responsible for both of their actions. The doctor violated ethics and regulations by implanting SIX embryos fully knowing that it was a violation and fully knowing that all of SIX embryos making it IS possible, and knowing all the risks, and also fully knowing that she's already had six kids of her own already from previous IVF treatments, and yet did it. Nadya is also wrong because she ALLOWED the doctor to implant SIX embryos fully knowing all the risks involved and knowing that all of the embryos could take, that it was a possiblity, and yet she allowed him to do it anyway. A responsible mother would say "Stop! Don't implant so many into my uterus please, I don't want a litter! I only want one or two babies!" So, yes, I consider BOTH of them responsible for their actions. I think the doctor should lose his license, be tried in a court of law, convicted, and instead of being sentenced to prison (save the prison for murders, rapists, etc) he should be required to do community service for the rest of his life, working in food banks, homeless shelters, soup kitchens, clean up rivers, picking up trash on the sides of the highways, etc, do all sorts of community services for the rest of his life, and he will lose the privelege of ever practicing any kind of medicine ever again, and he also loses the right to use "Dr." before his name (such as "Dr.Whatsyourname").

I honestly think that placing the oldest 6 children with different relatives would be in the best interest of those children. They could visit each other whether they like, and they could visit their mother whether they like. I would like for all 6 to be placed with one same relative, but that's IF there is one relative that is willing to take in all 6 AND can afford everything for all of them and can provide medical, mental health, dental care, and vision care for all of them and is able to love them, nurture them, provide for, care for, and keep all of them safe as well as provide all 6 with adequate sleeping quarters and keep them comfortable (as in non-cramped housing, well-fed, appropriate clothing, etc).

Then I honestly think that placing each of the octuplets with an adoptive family once they are deemed stable and healthy enough to leave the hospital would be in the best interest of the octuplets. Up to 8 different adoptive families that have the ability to love them, nurture them, provide for, care for, keep the children safe, and the ability to provide proper medical and mental health and dental and vision care to the octuplets either out of their own pockets or from insurance through their full-time jobs and can afford everything, with very little to no government/public assistance. Clearly the octuplets will need the best medical care possible since they were born so premature, born extremely tiny and very low weight, and from being one of the biggest multiple birth babies, and with a whole host of different kinds of very serious medical problems and complications that will last them their whole lifetimes. I think one baby per adoptive families would be the best due to the costly medical bills, since it is pretty likely that most insurance companies may balk at paying 100% of all medical bills, and will only pick up maybe like 75% (just my estimate/guess) or even less of all medical bills, and there is also the concern of "pre-existing medical conditions" term that insurance companies like to use to get out of paying for certain medical bills. But if an adoptive family would like to adopt two babies, great, as long as the family can provide everything for the two babies. If there is actually some family out there that is so ****ing rich and can afford everything in the world and they would like to adopt all the octuplets and love them and nurture them and can provide everything to them and can keep them safe and can pay all the medical, mental health, vision care, and dental care bills for their entire lifetimes and can afford to hire several helpers to help them keep all the babies safe and can provide appropriate housing and living/sleeping quarters and everything and, of course, not exploit them, then it would be completely wonderful to keep all the octuplets together and with one wonderful adoptive family. But the chances of that happening are very very very slim, maybe like .1% or even less chance of that happening. We all know that. Not many adoptive families wants to adopt a baby with extremely serious medical problems, and not many adoptive families wants to adopt eight babies with extremely serious medical problems.

If there is actually a family out there that is so ****ing rich and can afford everything, can even afford to buy a country or whatever, and they want to adopt all 14 children, that would be so awesome, especially if they can care for, love them, nurture them, pay all the medical, dental, mental health and vision care bills from the day they adopt them to the day the children die of old age (or at least til age 18), have proper housing with appropriate sleeping quarters for all the children, can afford to feed them all, clothe them, can keep them all safe by being able to afford to hire several helpers to help the adoptive parents care for the children so that they are not all on their own, and everything else that all the children needs, that would be wonderful. But realistically...the chances of that ever happening is extremely slim, way even less than .1% or maybe .000001%.

Sculleywr thinks that I have no hope for them, but I do...but realistically, very little hope in Nadya being able to care for all of them and being able to keep all 14 kids safe. I, however, do have a lot of hope for all the children themselves, I hope that the octuplet babies will become stronger and become stable and that hopefully in a few months their medical problems that are going to last them their lifetimes will become more manageable and more stable, and that they will live for a long time, and that I hope they do not end up with something so serious that they will spend a large part of their lives in and out of the hospitals and stuff like that, that they will be able to lead a normal life. But, that might not happen, given the circumstances that they were born in. I hope that they won't be neglected, and I also hope that the oldest six children will not be neglected either. I do keep all these 14 children in my thoughts everyday and I hope somebody will help those children. I feel very sad and very sorry for those children. What Nadya is doing is very unfair to all those children.

Everyday I hope that these octuplets will get stronger and will live. Everyday I hope that their medical problems that they may have for the rest of their lives will turn out not to be as severe as the doctors predict they will be.

I know my posts are long, but those are all my thoughts on this situation.

LuciaDisturbed · 02-26-2009, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

WHOA!!! that's gotta be the AD'S WORLD LONGEST POST!!!

LOL, yeah, I know. I have given this situation a LOT of thought and as a result, many of my posts turn into novels.

I just have a lot to say.

LuciaDisturbed · 02-26-2009, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

How true!

Dang, I got them by just carrying one child. One can only imagine.

Maybe she will get more plastic surgery..

I got stretch marks just by gaining weight...and I don't even have a child. I'm not interested in plastic surgery, though...I've been using cocoa butter lotion, they are supposed to help with the stretch marks...I love the smell of the lotion anyway, reminds me of the beach in Tampa...

sculleywr · 02-26-2009, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by LuciaDisturbed

25 children all by yourself, you being the only adult? I don't believe you. Either there was another adult with you, or you are simply omitting the fact that there was another adult there to make us think you took care of all 25 children by yourself when the truth is that there was another adult with you. I'm sorry, but I find it too difficult to believe that you actually kept 25 small children safe all by yourself. You just never know what a child is capable of doing.

I don't believe you anyway because you mentioned it was in a church nursery and daycare, and nurseries and daycares often have two or more adults there.

Oh, there was another adult. Several in fact. But they were busy with their own gaggles. And I am close enough to when I was a kid that I can anticipate them. I am only 21, but I remember my own stupid stunts well enough to know what to expect. Remember, I worked there regularly, and have taken care of an audistic kid as well. There are several things you don't know about me.

**Rio** · 02-26-2009, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

3rd graders can have one teacher for 25 kids....

thought you meant 3 year olds. ooops!!

Yes, that's true about teachers are permitted to have 25 kids in Calif it might be 30 not accurate on that one.

I did watch the Dr. Phil show that had footage of Nayda at prom and her friend was talking via phone on the show under a different name. Everything about her well-being, the care for the children and all the issues that were mentioned here was discussed on the show. It appears no answer as how she will handle all the children in one household. Issues about them being in foster care was mentioned, its not the solution. It appears she will keep all her children possibly with help by some staff perhaps, like I said, nothing has been established on living arranagements.

**Dixie** · 03-07-2009, 07:14 PM

If the state pays for a 'staff' to help her with the children then Nadya had better spend every free moment with those children because she has already wasted enough taxpayer dollars with this stunt. I just hope this 'staff' doesn't allow time for Nadya to cook up another child, in-vitro or natural.

I really wish Dr. Phil would have laid it out for her that what she did was incredibly irresponsible and stupid.

Im hoping that because of this California and other states should put into law that if you have been on state assistance within the last 10 years, and/or have 2 or more children then you are NOT eligible for any type of in-vitro fertilization procedure.

Because she could clearly afford plastic surgery and still received state aid, she should be required to pay back the state as it is obvious the money given to her was not used for the children. I am sure the grandparents have used up their retirement and have gone completely broke raising these children as well as Nadya.

**Dixie** · 03-07-2009, 07:19 PM

BTW - I am working 2 jobs and I will start a 3rd job this summer, I am a single parent, live with my parents, and I don't draw food stamps, WIC, or welfare. The only aid I receive is ARKids 1st which is health insurance for children from low-income families.

Once I am able to get a job with good health insurance benefits I plan on getting employer based insurance on my child and off of ARKids 1st. I believe if you have health insurance available to you through an employer - you should use it and have it payroll deducted to cover you and your children instead of mooching from the state medicaid.

**shel90** · 03-07-2009, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dixie

BTW - I am working 2 jobs and I will start a 3rd job this summer, I am a single parent, live with my parents, and I don't draw food stamps, WIC, or welfare. The only aid I receive is ARKids 1st which is health insurance for children from low-income families.

Once I am able to get a job with good health insurance benefits I plan on getting employer based insurance on my child and off of ARKids 1st. I believe if you have health insurance available to you through an employer - you should use it and have it payroll deducted to cover you and your children instead of mooching from the state medicaid.

Wow! U will get a 3rd job? I know what's that like...when I was a single mom, EVEN with a MA degree, I worked two full time jobs to support myself and my daughter...I put in 80 hours a week for two years. Gotta do what u gotta do, heh?

**Bottesini** · 03-07-2009, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dixie

BTW - I am working 2 jobs and I will start a 3rd job this summer, I am a single parent, live with my parents, and I don't draw food stamps, WIC, or welfare. The only aid I receive is ARKids 1st which is health insurance for children from low-income families.

Once I am able to get a job with good health insurance benefits I plan on getting employer based insurance on my child and off of ARKids 1st. I believe if you have health insurance available to you through an employer - you should use it and have it payroll deducted to cover you and your children instead of mooching from the state medicaid.

And you are admirable for doing it. I applaud you.

**Dixie** · 03-07-2009, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Wow! U will get a 3rd job? I know what's that like...when I was a single mom, EVEN with a MA degree, I worked two full time jobs to support myself and my daughter...I put in 80 hours a week for two years. Gotta do what u gotta do, heh?

It boils down to survival and a desire to be completely self-sufficient.

I have a cousin that is the total opposite of me. She is on foodstamps, WIC, welfare, Medicaid, you name it, she receives it. She doesnt keep a job for more than 6 months at a time, lied on her Section 8 housing application (it was obviously denied), has two children by two different fathers, both out of wedlock, and a third one by a 3rd unknown father due at the end of next month. Has no job is not eligible for unemployment so has NO income and has no intentions of finding a job, nor is she even looking for one.

Oh and she been pregnant more than 3 times, this would be her 8th or 9th pregnancy. She had 3 abortions that I know of, as well as one miscarriage.

She has promised us she will have her tubes tied and burned after this one. I somehow don't forsee this happening unless someone personally escorts her to the doctor and personally sees that she is not released until the procedure is done. But that is not legal under HIPAA.

**Dixie** · 03-08-2009, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

And you are admirable for doing it. I applaud you.

Botts. I didnt see your post earlier until I came back to check this thread.

Gypsytda · 03-09-2009, 10:46 PM

Have ya'all seen the latest on the society sponge?
She is "buying" an over 1/2 million dollar home.. How is what I wonder!
She is also receiving 24/7 FREE nursing care.. that would cost a responsible person nearly $150K a month!

I hear blame pointed at the doctor/office who did the invitro.. while yes that was wrong, but there are not controls in place to preven this.. there should be basically a financial release, somehting that proves a person can afford any children produced via invitro.

The blame becomes 100% to this irresponsible baby dispenser!

A person who wants to adopt has to have classes, back ground check, proof they can support the child(ren).. but if someone has invitro.. where are the checks & balances on that?

She is a human PEZ dispenser..and serves no benefit to society.. her behavior is selfish and idiotic.

She has been quoted saying she does not receive welfare.. but ANY assistance via taxpayers, handed out from thegovernment.. is Welfare! Someone please educate her.. because she is raising a farm of future welfare recipients.. they will learn by example that they too can sponge off society and hold out their hand, and screw up and expect someone else to pay for it!

Her mother, the enabler of this sponge.. foreclosure.. also a great example for her daughter and the brood of future welfare cases!

The HUGE hospital bill paid for by taxpayers. Her foodstamps.. taxpayers. Her free nursing care.. tax payers. the list goes on.

The whole story is sickening but sadly also a statement of our current time.. that there are too many people who EXPECT or think they are ENTITLED to sponge off society, who think they should get the BIG house, who expect that they should get the highest paying job with out paying any dues.. this is a world of instant gratification.. people who just holdout their hand..

We see thatin the bank bail outs, the big 3 automakers bailouts, the bevy of bailouts that are in line behind them.. we see it in honest small businesses trying to make a living but being squashed by irresponsible greedy selfish people/companies etc.

This is a sick time.. I just hope reality strikes and people wise up.. Work will do MANY out there good.. and WORK is definitely what this mooch (octomom) needs!

Babyblue · 03-09-2009, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Gypsytda

Have ya'all seen the latest on the society sponge?
She is "buying" an over 1/2 million dollar home.. How is what I wonder!
She is also receiving 24/7 FREE nursing care.. that would cost a responsible person nearly $150K a month!

I hear blame pointed at the doctor/office who did the invitro.. while yes that was wrong, but there are not controls in place to preven this.. there should be basically a financial release, somehting that proves a person can afford any children produced via invitro.

The blame becomes 100% to this irresponsible baby dispenser!

A person who wants to adopt has to have classes, back ground check, proof they can support the child(ren).. but if someone has invitro.. where are the checks & balances on that?

She is a human PEZ dispenser..and serves no benefit to society.. her behavior is selfish and idiotic.

She has been quoted saying she does not receive welfare.. but ANY assistance via taxpayers, handed out from thegovernment.. is Welfare! Someone please educate her.. because she is raising a farm of future welfare recipients.. they will learn by example that they too can sponge off society and hold out their hand, and screw up and expect someone else to pay for it!

Her mother, the enabler of this sponge.. foreclosure.. also a great example for her daughter and the brood of future welfare cases!

The HUGE hospital bill paid for by taxpayers. Her foodstamps.. taxpayers. Her free nursing care.. tax payers. the list goes on.

The whole story is sickening but sadly also a statement of our current time.. that there are too many people who EXPECT or think they are ENTITLED to sponge off society, who think they should get the BIG house, who expect that they should get the highest paying job with out paying any dues.. this is a world of instant gratification.. people who just holdout their hand..

We see thatin the bank bail outs, the big 3 automakers bailouts, the bevy of bailouts that are in line behind them.. we see it in honest small businesses trying to make a living but being squashed by irresponsible greedy selfish people/companies etc.

This is a sick time.. I just hope reality strikes and people wise up.. Work will do MANY out there good.. and WORK is definitely what this mooch (octomom) needs!

Do you have the link or the sources that you can provide to this site that states that she is buying a 1/2 a million dollar home?

Pez dispenser! Good one!

**Bottesini** · 03-09-2009, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Babyblue

Do you have the link or the sources that you can provide to this site that states that she is buying a 1/2 a million dollar home?

Pez dispenser! Good one!

Octuplets' Mom Getting Bigger House, Free Nurses - Babies : People.com

I found a link about the house.

**Rio** · 03-09-2009, 11:21 PM

I removed my post since it would have been repost. She beat me.

Tousi · 03-10-2009, 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dixie

It boils down to survival and a desire to be completely self-sufficient.

I have a cousin that is the total opposite of me. She is on foodstamps, WIC, welfare, Medicaid, you name it, she receives it. She doesnt keep a job for more than 6 months at a time, lied on her Section 8 housing application (it was obviously denied), has two children by two different fathers, both out of wedlock, and a third one by a 3rd unknown father due at the end of next month. Has no job is not eligible for unemployment so has NO income and has no intentions of finding a job, nor is she even looking for one.

Oh and she been pregnant more than 3 times, this would be her 8th or 9th pregnancy. She had 3 abortions that I know of, as well as one miscarriage.

She has promised us she will have her tubes tied and burned after this one. I somehow don't forsee this happening unless someone personally escorts her to the doctor and personally sees that she is not released until the procedure is done. But that is not legal under HIPAA.

Is that all?

Anyway, you go, girl!

**Dixie** · 03-10-2009, 09:03 PM

Tousi.

My cousin recently got caught selling her food stamps, she is ineligible for government assistance of any kind for 5 years now, maybe this will be a wake up call that she needs to get her act together and FAST if she plans on keeping her children because as it stands there is enough evidence for CPS to come and at least investigate, and I'm sure there is enough damning evidence to have the kids taken away, its just not out in the open for the neighbors to see.

She's due at the end of this month. She needs to be looking NOW to find a daycare to enroll ALL children into, and find a job and tell them she can start as soon as the doctor releases her, which can be anywhere from 6-8 weeks. People like her should undergo a mental evaluation just to find out what goes through their heads.

**Rio** · 03-17-2009, 10:40 PM

My local news is showing Nadia bringing some of the babies home

**Dixie** · 03-18-2009, 12:57 PM

I'm thinking "Attention Whore", she was complaining of the media yet she had granted special inside access to the tabloid rag show "The Insider".

Im thinking they are going to bring the babies home two at a time so that she can adjust to them slowly rather than all at once. I also read where the ospital told Nadya that the only wy they were going to release the children to her is if she could improve their living conditions (IE - remodel grandma's house to safety specs) and instead she is rewarded with a new house for her stupidity and blatant lack of thought for the other 6 children.

**Rio** · 03-18-2009, 09:45 PM

Yes, she's the "attention whore" all right. In these hardship times people making ends meet and others issues arise due to the economy and this lady is gaining tremendous amounts of assistance from organizations and etc.. Most people are concern of the well being of these innocent babies and children.

**shel90** · 03-18-2009, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babyblue

Shel or Deafbajagirl. do you guys have a teachers aid? I sure do wish I had one.

Or any other teachers on board of this site....?

I share an aide with another teacher, why?

**Dixie** · 03-19-2009, 06:56 PM

In our elementary school there's 4 aide's for the Kindergarten classes, and in the 1-4th grades about three teachers share one aide a piece, and the aide works mainly with Title I students.

GarnetTigerMom · 03-20-2009, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jolie77

I'm not going to excuse for what the octo-mom did with making an error in her judgment but however, I have to say - It's really sad to see all of boils down to this.

I have to agree with Jo on this one. She did say she wanted a big family but not think the life it can lead to those childrens she having. She out of her mind.

**Dixie** · 03-24-2009, 01:11 AM

If there is a renewal of the eugenics movement - I will blame the octomom for it.

BradB08 · 03-24-2009, 03:36 AM

I find the contempt for this woman to be as equally disturbing as her decisions.

Sterilization? Death threats? Mean-spirited comments?

Surely you folks would probably say differently if you were in a similar situation? Plus, you can claim that you wouldn't do this, do that but we really have no way of knowing what we'd do if it came to it.

On the other hand, Child Services should take away every single one of those kids and adopt them out. The grandmother should not have to share the burden of caring for them and she obviously can't.

BradB08 · 03-24-2009, 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dixie

If there is a renewal of the eugenics movement - I will blame the octomom for it.

There had better not be.

I find the comments about sterilization to be very, very disturbing. Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Are you not aware of history and how people have been forced into sterilization in the past? I personally have family members who were forced underground by the threat of forced sterilization in the 1930s simply because they are Native Americans.

ANY form of sterilization is immoral and wrong. Period. What we need are stronger child services to make sure that these children get the care that they deserve. There should not be calls for sterilization.

**Reba** · 03-24-2009, 08:12 AM

I don't support forced sterilization for anyone.

On the other hand, I don't support multiple tax-supported fertility treatments for single women.

02-26-2009, 02:58 AM	#214 (permalink)
LuciaDisturbed Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 7,733	Part 2: If she wants to prove to Kaiser or the State of California and CPS that she can provide adequate and proper housing for all of her 14 children, and that she can keep all 14 children safe and out of any kind of danger, I would think she should get a place that has 8 bedrooms and at least 2 bathrooms (4 would be preferable), which is of course going to be completely and humanely impossible for her to get because of course she has no job therefore no income except the measly public assistance checks and the measly food stamps she gets each month (if it was just one person, the food stamps are usually plenty, but if you have a family, that's when you start to really feel the pinch and it becomes measly, I believe the government has a website that lists the amount of food stamps for each family size) and plus the cost of living in California is quite very high, so there is no way in hell she will ever be able to afford even a crappy run-down 8 bedroom house even in the ghetto. Even a house in the ghetto with that many bedrooms will cost $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ even if it has just one bathroom, and even then, it would be falling apart, which of course would not be acceptable by CPS at all anyway, rundown houses often have so many fire regulation violations and health regulation violations and so many safety issues as well as the issue of lead paint especially if the house was built in the early 1900s. (I do not know what year they stopped making lead paint) And she would have to spend a very vast amount of time carefully inspecting the house and the front and back yard and garage and anywhere around the house to make sure it is completely child-proof and baby-proof (even then, I do not think you can achieve a 100% child-proof and baby-proof household) and still will overlook something, and with 14 children, one of them is bound to get hurt or harmed somehow by something that she may have overlooked, and she has no money to pay for someone to come and professionally inspect her house and the yards and the garage and anywhere around the outside of the house and to completely child/baby-proof it for her. And I do not know of any house that has more than 2 bathrooms and more than 6 bedrooms except the fancy mansions in the rich side of the town that rich families have, or where the celebrities live, etc, or if they are group homes or halfway houses (I have seen them and they are pretty bad!). I said that she should get a place that has 8 bedrooms and at least 2 (I prefer 4) bathrooms because of the CPS's guidelines/rules/regulations regarding how many children to a room depending on how many square feet a bedroom has, etc...if she got a place with 8 bedrooms, then 2 children can sleep in each bedroom if they are big enough, and the 8th room would be for Nadya. Or she could just get a 7 bedrooms place which would be a bit cheaper and sleep in the living room on the couch herself...sacrificing her own bedroom so that children will have adequate sleeping quarters won't kill her. She can just sleep on the couch. That's what responsible parents do, they sacrifice their own things that they want in order to make sure that their children get what they need and are comfortable and are healthy and safe. But to be completely honest, I don't think she can do any of this...she cannot even afford a one-room shack. So, it's just not going to happen. Unless someone who is filthy rich decides to buy a 8 bedroom house with 2 to 4 bathrooms and donates it to her. I hope someone does, for the sake of all the poor children. But the chances of that happening is pretty unlikely. We'll see. And that's my realistic opinion. No, I am not being unmerciful like one AD'er would like to claim, I am simply being realistic. Being realistic does not mean I am being unmerciful as sculleywr thinks I am being. I am not being merciful to anyone, but I do of course am disgusted with Nadya for making such inappropriate decisions to be implanted with SIX embryos, resulting in this unfortunate and dire situation, and for her not realizing that what she has done was wrong, especially when she is on public assistance, living in a 3 bedroom house with her parents, and no job and no other income, and no one to help her care for all of her children, especially since her parents are refusing to help her anymore now, and especially since she's already had SIX children who were conceived through previous IVF treatments which the state also paid for. Yes, I know the doctor was also wrong...but it's not only the doctor. It's both the doctor and Nadya, both of them are responsible for both of their actions. The doctor violated ethics and regulations by implanting SIX embryos fully knowing that it was a violation and fully knowing that all of SIX embryos making it IS possible, and knowing all the risks, and also fully knowing that she's already had six kids of her own already from previous IVF treatments, and yet did it. Nadya is also wrong because she ALLOWED the doctor to implant SIX embryos fully knowing all the risks involved and knowing that all of the embryos could take, that it was a possiblity, and yet she allowed him to do it anyway. A responsible mother would say "Stop! Don't implant so many into my uterus please, I don't want a litter! I only want one or two babies!" So, yes, I consider BOTH of them responsible for their actions. I think the doctor should lose his license, be tried in a court of law, convicted, and instead of being sentenced to prison (save the prison for murders, rapists, etc) he should be required to do community service for the rest of his life, working in food banks, homeless shelters, soup kitchens, clean up rivers, picking up trash on the sides of the highways, etc, do all sorts of community services for the rest of his life, and he will lose the privelege of ever practicing any kind of medicine ever again, and he also loses the right to use "Dr." before his name (such as "Dr.Whatsyourname"). I honestly think that placing the oldest 6 children with different relatives would be in the best interest of those children. They could visit each other whether they like, and they could visit their mother whether they like. I would like for all 6 to be placed with one same relative, but that's IF there is one relative that is willing to take in all 6 AND can afford everything for all of them and can provide medical, mental health, dental care, and vision care for all of them and is able to love them, nurture them, provide for, care for, and keep all of them safe as well as provide all 6 with adequate sleeping quarters and keep them comfortable (as in non-cramped housing, well-fed, appropriate clothing, etc). Then I honestly think that placing each of the octuplets with an adoptive family once they are deemed stable and healthy enough to leave the hospital would be in the best interest of the octuplets. Up to 8 different adoptive families that have the ability to love them, nurture them, provide for, care for, keep the children safe, and the ability to provide proper medical and mental health and dental and vision care to the octuplets either out of their own pockets or from insurance through their full-time jobs and can afford everything, with very little to no government/public assistance. Clearly the octuplets will need the best medical care possible since they were born so premature, born extremely tiny and very low weight, and from being one of the biggest multiple birth babies, and with a whole host of different kinds of very serious medical problems and complications that will last them their whole lifetimes. I think one baby per adoptive families would be the best due to the costly medical bills, since it is pretty likely that most insurance companies may balk at paying 100% of all medical bills, and will only pick up maybe like 75% (just my estimate/guess) or even less of all medical bills, and there is also the concern of "pre-existing medical conditions" term that insurance companies like to use to get out of paying for certain medical bills. But if an adoptive family would like to adopt two babies, great, as long as the family can provide everything for the two babies. If there is actually some family out there that is so **ing rich and can afford everything in the world and they would like to adopt all the octuplets and love them and nurture them and can provide everything to them and can keep them safe and can pay all the medical, mental health, vision care, and dental care bills for their entire lifetimes and can afford to hire several helpers to help them keep all the babies safe and can provide appropriate housing and living/sleeping quarters and everything and, of course, not exploit them, then it would be completely wonderful to keep all the octuplets together and with one wonderful adoptive family. But the chances of that happening are very very very slim, maybe like .1% or even less chance of that happening. We all know that. Not many adoptive families wants to adopt a baby with extremely serious medical problems, and not many adoptive families wants to adopt eight babies with extremely serious medical problems. If there is actually a family out there that is so ing rich and can afford everything, can even afford to buy a country or whatever, and they want to adopt all 14 children, that would be so awesome, especially if they can care for, love them, nurture them, pay all the medical, dental, mental health and vision care bills from the day they adopt them to the day the children die of old age (or at least til age 18), have proper housing with appropriate sleeping quarters for all the children, can afford to feed them all, clothe them, can keep them all safe by being able to afford to hire several helpers to help the adoptive parents care for the children so that they are not all on their own, and everything else that all the children needs, that would be wonderful. But realistically...the chances of that ever happening is extremely slim, way even less than .1% or maybe .000001%. Sculleywr thinks that I have no hope for them, but I do...but realistically, very little hope in Nadya being able to care for all of them and being able to keep all 14 kids safe. I, however, do have a lot of hope for all the children themselves, I hope that the octuplet babies will become stronger and become stable and that hopefully in a few months their medical problems that are going to last them their lifetimes will become more manageable and more stable, and that they will live for a long time, and that I hope they do not end up with something so serious that they will spend a large part of their lives in and out of the hospitals and stuff like that, that they will be able to lead a normal life. But, that might not happen, given the circumstances that they were born in. I hope that they won't be neglected, and I also hope that the oldest six children will not be neglected either. I do keep all these 14 children in my thoughts everyday and I hope somebody will help those children. I feel very sad and very sorry for those children. What Nadya is doing is very unfair to all those children. Everyday I hope that these octuplets will get stronger and will live. Everyday I hope that their medical problems that they may have for the rest of their lives will turn out not to be as severe as the doctors predict they will be. I know my posts are long, but those are all my thoughts on this situation. __________________ "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - Philosopher George Santayana. Implanted left ear 10/11/06, activated 10/16/06 - Nucleus Freedom** My own CI experience, my views on CI and ASL and Deaf Culture and Society DeviantArt

03-07-2009, 07:14 PM	#219 (permalink)
Dixie May I be found in Him Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 13,266	If the state pays for a 'staff' to help her with the children then Nadya had better spend every free moment with those children because she has already wasted enough taxpayer dollars with this stunt. I just hope this 'staff' doesn't allow time for Nadya to cook up another child, in-vitro or natural. I really wish Dr. Phil would have laid it out for her that what she did was incredibly irresponsible and stupid. Im hoping that because of this California and other states should put into law that if you have been on state assistance within the last 10 years, and/or have 2 or more children then you are NOT eligible for any type of in-vitro fertilization procedure. Because she could clearly afford plastic surgery and still received state aid, she should be required to pay back the state as it is obvious the money given to her was not used for the children. I am sure the grandparents have used up their retirement and have gone completely broke raising these children as well as Nadya. __________________ Oh, you will. It is all a dream and since matter cannot be created nor destroyed, the dreams must be real in all their myriad forms. -Beowulf This Delicate Thing God Has Made *The world is measured in peasants; smaller than a unicorn but, bigger than a tidbit!*

03-07-2009, 07:19 PM	#220 (permalink)
Dixie May I be found in Him Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 13,266	BTW - I am working 2 jobs and I will start a 3rd job this summer, I am a single parent, live with my parents, and I don't draw food stamps, WIC, or welfare. The only aid I receive is ARKids 1st which is health insurance for children from low-income families. Once I am able to get a job with good health insurance benefits I plan on getting employer based insurance on my child and off of ARKids 1st. I believe if you have health insurance available to you through an employer - you should use it and have it payroll deducted to cover you and your children instead of mooching from the state medicaid. __________________ Oh, you will. It is all a dream and since matter cannot be created nor destroyed, the dreams must be real in all their myriad forms. -Beowulf This Delicate Thing God Has Made *The world is measured in peasants; smaller than a unicorn but, bigger than a tidbit!*

03-09-2009, 10:46 PM	#225 (permalink)
Gypsytda Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Colorado Springs Colorado. Posts: 1	Latest.. Have ya'all seen the latest on the society sponge? She is "buying" an over 1/2 million dollar home.. How is what I wonder! She is also receiving 24/7 FREE nursing care.. that would cost a responsible person nearly $150K a month! I hear blame pointed at the doctor/office who did the invitro.. while yes that was wrong, but there are not controls in place to preven this.. there should be basically a financial release, somehting that proves a person can afford any children produced via invitro. The blame becomes 100% to this irresponsible baby dispenser! A person who wants to adopt has to have classes, back ground check, proof they can support the child(ren).. but if someone has invitro.. where are the checks & balances on that? She is a human PEZ dispenser..and serves no benefit to society.. her behavior is selfish and idiotic. She has been quoted saying she does not receive welfare.. but ANY assistance via taxpayers, handed out from thegovernment.. is Welfare! Someone please educate her.. because she is raising a farm of future welfare recipients.. they will learn by example that they too can sponge off society and hold out their hand, and screw up and expect someone else to pay for it! Her mother, the enabler of this sponge.. foreclosure.. also a great example for her daughter and the brood of future welfare cases! The HUGE hospital bill paid for by taxpayers. Her foodstamps.. taxpayers. Her free nursing care.. tax payers. the list goes on. The whole story is sickening but sadly also a statement of our current time.. that there are too many people who EXPECT or think they are ENTITLED to sponge off society, who think they should get the BIG house, who expect that they should get the highest paying job with out paying any dues.. this is a world of instant gratification.. people who just holdout their hand.. We see thatin the bank bail outs, the big 3 automakers bailouts, the bevy of bailouts that are in line behind them.. we see it in honest small businesses trying to make a living but being squashed by irresponsible greedy selfish people/companies etc. This is a sick time.. I just hope reality strikes and people wise up.. Work will do MANY out there good.. and WORK is definitely what this mooch (octomom) needs!

03-09-2009, 11:21 PM	#228 (permalink)
Rio Patriots Rock! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Patriots lockerroom Posts: 12,235 Blog Entries: 59	I removed my post since it would have been repost. She beat me. __________________ Ps.103:12 He washes our sins away into the ocean Brady's back Proverbs 17:9 Love prospers when a fault is forgiven, but dwelling on it separates close friends

02-25-2009, 11:41 PM	#211 (permalink)
Babyblue Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 11,998	Shel or Deafbajagirl. do you guys have a teachers aid? I sure do wish I had one. Or any other teachers on board of this site....?

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03-10-2009, 09:03 PM	#230 (permalink)
Dixie May I be found in Him Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 13,266	Tousi. My cousin recently got caught selling her food stamps, she is ineligible for government assistance of any kind for 5 years now, maybe this will be a wake up call that she needs to get her act together and FAST if she plans on keeping her children because as it stands there is enough evidence for CPS to come and at least investigate, and I'm sure there is enough damning evidence to have the kids taken away, its just not out in the open for the neighbors to see. She's due at the end of this month. She needs to be looking NOW to find a daycare to enroll ALL children into, and find a job and tell them she can start as soon as the doctor releases her, which can be anywhere from 6-8 weeks. People like her should undergo a mental evaluation just to find out what goes through their heads. __________________ Oh, you will. It is all a dream and since matter cannot be created nor destroyed, the dreams must be real in all their myriad forms. -Beowulf This Delicate Thing God Has Made *The world is measured in peasants; smaller than a unicorn but, bigger than a tidbit!* Last edited by Dixie; 03-10-2009 at 09:12 PM. Reason: Those damn 3's! Did not realize I had the 3 button pressed when I was helping my DD with her laptop, until I looked at my pos

03-17-2009, 10:40 PM	#231 (permalink)
Rio Patriots Rock! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Patriots lockerroom Posts: 12,235 Blog Entries: 59	My local news is showing Nadia bringing some of the babies home __________________ Ps.103:12 He washes our sins away into the ocean Brady's back Proverbs 17:9 Love prospers when a fault is forgiven, but dwelling on it separates close friends

03-18-2009, 12:57 PM	#232 (permalink)
Dixie May I be found in Him Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 13,266	I'm thinking "Attention Whore", she was complaining of the media yet she had granted special inside access to the tabloid rag show "The Insider". Im thinking they are going to bring the babies home two at a time so that she can adjust to them slowly rather than all at once. I also read where the ospital told Nadya that the only wy they were going to release the children to her is if she could improve their living conditions (IE - remodel grandma's house to safety specs) and instead she is rewarded with a new house for her stupidity and blatant lack of thought for the other 6 children. __________________ Oh, you will. It is all a dream and since matter cannot be created nor destroyed, the dreams must be real in all their myriad forms. -Beowulf This Delicate Thing God Has Made *The world is measured in peasants; smaller than a unicorn but, bigger than a tidbit!*

03-18-2009, 09:45 PM	#233 (permalink)
Rio Patriots Rock! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Patriots lockerroom Posts: 12,235 Blog Entries: 59	Yes, she's the "attention whore" all right. In these hardship times people making ends meet and others issues arise due to the economy and this lady is gaining tremendous amounts of assistance from organizations and etc.. Most people are concern of the well being of these innocent babies and children. __________________ Ps.103:12 He washes our sins away into the ocean Brady's back Proverbs 17:9 Love prospers when a fault is forgiven, but dwelling on it separates close friends

03-19-2009, 06:56 PM	#235 (permalink)
Dixie May I be found in Him Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 13,266	In our elementary school there's 4 aide's for the Kindergarten classes, and in the 1-4th grades about three teachers share one aide a piece, and the aide works mainly with Title I students. __________________ Oh, you will. It is all a dream and since matter cannot be created nor destroyed, the dreams must be real in all their myriad forms. -Beowulf This Delicate Thing God Has Made *The world is measured in peasants; smaller than a unicorn but, bigger than a tidbit!*

03-24-2009, 01:11 AM	#237 (permalink)
Dixie May I be found in Him Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 13,266	If there is a renewal of the eugenics movement - I will blame the octomom for it. __________________ Oh, you will. It is all a dream and since matter cannot be created nor destroyed, the dreams must be real in all their myriad forms. -Beowulf This Delicate Thing God Has Made *The world is measured in peasants; smaller than a unicorn but, bigger than a tidbit!*

03-24-2009, 03:36 AM	#238 (permalink)
BradB08 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Vermont Posts: 2,676 Blog Entries: 1	I find the contempt for this woman to be as equally disturbing as her decisions. Sterilization? Death threats? Mean-spirited comments? Surely you folks would probably say differently if you were in a similar situation? Plus, you can claim that you wouldn't do this, do that but we really have no way of knowing what we'd do if it came to it. On the other hand, Child Services should take away every single one of those kids and adopt them out. The grandmother should not have to share the burden of caring for them and she obviously can't.

03-24-2009, 08:12 AM	#240 (permalink)
Reba Granny Terp Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 39,108	I don't support forced sterilization for anyone. On the other hand, I don't support multiple tax-supported fertility treatments for single women. __________________ Tell us the truth about Benghazi!

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