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Old 05-04-2008, 04:03 PM   #121 (permalink)
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88 or 90 years old... repeat to abuse people?
What's so funny about that?
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Old 05-04-2008, 04:07 PM   #122 (permalink)
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What's so funny about that?
Because you suggest that he could repeat abuse to other people when he is out of jail.
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Old 05-04-2008, 04:19 PM   #123 (permalink)
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Because you suggest that he could repeat abuse to other people when he is out of jail.
You think that's funny?
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Old 05-04-2008, 04:22 PM   #124 (permalink)
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You think that's funny?
No, I am not laughing at that situation but your word.
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Old 05-04-2008, 04:24 PM   #125 (permalink)
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No, I am not laughing at that situation but your word.
Which word was so funny?
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Old 05-04-2008, 04:26 PM   #126 (permalink)
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Which word was so funny?
Why should I repeat this to you when you know very well what you made your posts here?



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Old 05-04-2008, 04:33 PM   #127 (permalink)
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Why should I repeat this to you when you know very well what you made your posts here?
Yes, I know what I posted, and I see nothing funny. I have no idea what word could be funny about abusing people. I see nothing funny about it.
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Old 05-04-2008, 04:43 PM   #128 (permalink)
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Yes, I know what I posted, .
You know what you are saying... Okay.


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and I see nothing funny. I have no idea what word could be funny about abusing people. I see nothing funny about it
I do not laugh at him to abuse people. Please quit to misinterpret my post.


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Old 05-04-2008, 08:37 PM   #129 (permalink)
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I will be surprise if one or some of Josef´s children visit and forgive him. If they does which mean is they accept his forgive to free their bitter and hurt
I'm sorry, but that would like be forgiving Hitler or Stalin or Pol Pot.
jillo, I don't know...........I love the book and the movie, and all I saw was basicly a teen having a hard time growing up. Especially since the '60's was a time of major rebellion! It really didn't seem that she had that.
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Old 05-04-2008, 08:46 PM   #130 (permalink)
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I feel so so so sick in my stomach whenever I read more stories about that evil monster. He doesn't deserve to live at all, not at all
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Old 05-04-2008, 09:00 PM   #131 (permalink)
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You know what you are saying... Okay.

I do not laugh at him to abuse people. Please quit to misinterpret my post.


I give up trying to comprehend your warped sense of humor.

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Old 05-04-2008, 09:03 PM   #132 (permalink)
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I give up trying to comprehend your warped sense of humor.

Hope I am not sticking my nose where it doesnt belong but I think Liebling is laughing cuz she is having a hard time believing that an 88 or 90 year old is capable of abusing people.
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Old 05-04-2008, 09:09 PM   #133 (permalink)
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Hope I am not sticking my nose where it doesnt belong but I think Liebling is laughing cuz she is having a hard time believing that an 88 or 90 year old is capable of abusing people.
Believe me, old guys can be very abusive. This guy doesn't appear to be in fragile health, and he apparently has a very domineering way. If he gets out in 15 years, he'll still be strong enough and intimidating enough to abuse people who are weaker than him, especially children. Also, he apparently has enough "charm" to fool people and gain their confidence. He could appear to be a friendly grandpa next door, instead of the sex offender that he is. What would prevent him from abusing again?

I don't think an 88-year-old pervert is funny; I think it's disgusting and scary.
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Old 05-04-2008, 09:46 PM   #134 (permalink)
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Hope I am not sticking my nose where it doesnt belong but I think Liebling is laughing cuz she is having a hard time believing that an 88 or 90 year old is capable of abusing people.
That's the way I read it, too. However, I agree with Reba. An older man (or woman for that matter) is capable of abusing someone.

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Believe me, old guys can be very abusive. This guy doesn't appear to be in fragile health, and he apparently has a very domineering way. If he gets out in 15 years, he'll still be strong enough and intimidating enough to abuse people who are weaker than him, especially children. Also, he apparently has enough "charm" to fool people and gain their confidence. He could appear to be a friendly grandpa next door, instead of the sex offender that he is. What would prevent him from abusing again?

I don't think an 88-year-old pervert is funny; I think it's disgusting and scary.
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Old 05-04-2008, 09:50 PM   #136 (permalink)
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I do not laugh at him to abuse people. Please quit to misinterpret my post.


The way I read your post is that you don't think an elderly man is capable of abuse and some are. There are those 80-90 yr olds who are in VERY good health, and would be capable of hurting a child.
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Old 05-04-2008, 10:09 PM   #137 (permalink)
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The way I read your post is that you don't think an elderly man is capable of abuse and some are. There are those 80-90 yr olds who are in VERY good health, and would be capable of hurting a child.
That's how I read it too. Even women if they're sociopathic enough can cause a great deal of harm to others. I speak from personal experience.
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That's how I read it too. Even women if they're sociopathic enough can cause a great deal of harm to others. I speak from personal experience.
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There is a woman at work that is probably 40-ish her husband is 30 years her senior, yeah there have been times she's come in with a black eye from a 70 year old man. Trust me its possible.
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I'm lost at words when I read this thread. There is no amount of ways that can be imaginable of this incident. I mean, It's amazing how someone so vile can do such thing to its OWN family.

The children who were traumatized will need a lot of help but I'm beginning to wonder, is it too late due to the severity of the trauma itself?
There is a chance that they will never fully recover, but they can always improve.
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Old 05-04-2008, 10:28 PM   #141 (permalink)
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I'm sorry, but that would like be forgiving Hitler or Stalin or Pol Pot.
jillo, I don't know...........I love the book and the movie, and all I saw was basicly a teen having a hard time growing up. Especially since the '60's was a time of major rebellion! It really didn't seem that she had that.
Well, we all see different things in a movie based on our own perspective. I can tell you, however, that I know a professor who uses this movie in her clinical undergraduate classes as an example of BPD. And she is also a praacticing clinical psychologist, as well as an associate prof. And I used clips from the movie in one of my master's level classes as an example of exitential therapy applied to BPD and got an A on the presentation. But then, I am in the habit of looking at movies like this from a clinical perspective. That's not to say that your interpretation is wrong, or that mine is right. We just approach it from different persectives.
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Old 05-05-2008, 02:28 AM   #142 (permalink)
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I'm sorry, but that would like be forgiving Hitler or Stalin or Pol Pot.
Take an example of many Jews who live here in Germany. They forgave Hilter and move on when they can't forget what and how they had been through during Nazi time.

I am not saying that they should forgive that monster or force them to forgive that monster but I know they would free from their bitter feeling when they accept the forgive and move on. Without forgive, they can't move on to start a new life. I heard that it work on some people to free from bitter feeling when they faced monster and then accept their forgiveness.

I personally can image it's very, very, very hard for them to forgive that monster but it would take them long time to accept the forgive and move on.

I personally had been through with that monster (step-dad) in the past. The therapies/counsellor taught me positive way... I accept and move on... I said to myself in positive way that I would forgive him and move on... I did it with no bitter/hate feeling for him.... but my memory of childhood scar with me sometimes.. until I saw him for a first time after years no see... My bitter feeling for him is gone - no hate feeling toward him anymore...but feel sorry for him... No bitter feeling anymore when I bringing his name up to this post here. He was uninvited to attend my sister's funeral at 2 years ago which he knew he was unwelcome but I guess the reason why he determined to attend her funeral becaus he want to tell her how much sorry he was how and what he did to us). I have no feeling for him when I saw him at my sister's funeral... Like what I say before that it works when you faced that monster and then get over...



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Liebling, age doesn't have anything to do with how severely sociopathic someone is. Wouldn't you be afraid of Hannibal Lector, or Charles Manson or any other severe sociopaths no matter HOW OLD they were?
jillo, but I thought that the message with the book and movie was basicly just like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. You know....what exactly is a "real" mental illness? Why are some conditions in the manual while others aren't?
I'm usually pretty good at noticing real life examples of mental illness or significent mental oddness. I cannot believe I never picked up on that! (and trust me, me and my friends love geeking out with movies and analyzing them)
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Old 05-05-2008, 02:39 AM   #145 (permalink)
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