Father Held Daughter in Cellar for 24 Years - Page 2

jillio · 04-29-2008, 05:54 PM

[quote=IslandBreeze07;965038][quote=KalistaAnd you think the Polygamist were bad!

At least those kids were well-fed, healthy and basked in the sun. I can't imagine being locked away for so long and not see daylight. The guy royally sucks.[/QUOTE]

Can't compare the 2 situations. One was committed by one singular sociopath. The other is systematic and widespread abuse committed under the guise of freedom of religion.

Liebling:-))) · 04-30-2008, 09:12 AM

I feel sick with pain when I watched the TV with video, photos, etc - long one... interviewed with people who lives at same village as Josef F.

I got mixed feeling and really feel pain for poor daughter and children.

Elisabeth waste 24 years life... She supposed to be married and have her own children, not that monster who father 7 children to her!!!!

Elisabeth & her mother reunioned each other in hospitail last Sunday. Mother was nerves breakdown because she knows nothing what and how it does. She beleive for a long time that Elisabeth escaped from world to religion cult and don't want to contact world.

Father forced Elisabeth to write a note that she is unable to take care of 3 children and leave them on doorstep with note... CPS (welfare for children protection) visited/inspect Josef & his wife's house because they applied for foster/adopt 3 children. CPS said everything in their house to basement are well care and clean... but they didn't noticed that small door, he hided Elisabeth and children. It's not just them, but his wife and relatives as well... that small door - they thought is for supply things... (work shop, etc).

They contact the world thru TV and video... which they never see sunlight... 5 years old boy alway want to sit on the car what he saw from TV until they freed from basement... Police offered him to sit on the car... He was happy and excited and said that I can't beleive that I sit on the car... wow... It look like that he is well care but he think it's normal to live in basement with no window... no see sunlight.. .but just TV and video... It's Elisabeth who taught her children to speak and read... and watch TV...

The people, who know Josef & family and said that they are very nice and friendly and very good "Grandparents" to 3 children. 3 children attend school and social outside is very well... I can image it must be shock for them to learn that their "Grandfather" is really their father who fathered his daughter (their mother). They also reunioned with her & siblings as well.

Elisabeth look old than her own age.

They suggest that Josef should stay in jail between 15 and 20 years which I disagree to because he should stay in jail for rest of his life. He deserve it!!!!!!!

There'll more news to update...

sara1981 · 04-30-2008, 10:50 PM

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Pepsi · 04-30-2008, 10:56 PM

This story is so sad.In all those years, something about this story does not add up.

deafdyke · 05-01-2008, 01:03 AM

WOW.....that's fucked up that prison sentences are so light in Europe.
Yes, most criminals aren't sociopaths. A friend of mine has done some time in jail, and he said that most criminals are just folks who made mistakes.
However, there IS a population of honest to god fucked up sociopaths who need to be locked up forever, like in a insistution for the criminally insane.

Liebling:-))) · 05-01-2008, 04:05 AM

Crime | 30.04.2008

Europe Riveted by Ongoing Austrian Incest Revelations

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Europe looked on horrified as details continued to emerge in the shocking case of an Austrian man who locked up his daughter in a cellar for years and fathered seven children with her.

The children involved in a horrifying case of incest and abuse in Austria are expected to get new identities, officials there said, after DNA tests proved that 73 year old engineer Josef Fritzl had fathered the children with his 42 year old daughter, Elisabeth.

Three of the children lived upstairs with Fritzl and his wife, 69 year old Rosemarie, while three lived locked underground in a tiny cell with their captive mother. One child had died.

"Astonishing" reunion

Austrian authorities said on Tuesday, April 29 that members of the family terrorized by decades of incest and imprisonment had an “astonishing” reunion at a clinic, where psychiatrists are helping them cope.

Hospital officials said most of the seven children Fritzl fathered over the past 24 years with the daughter he held captive in a windowless cell spent their first moments together Sunday, April 27 -- a day after those kept confined finally gained their freedom.

Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: The case is a challenge for the Mostviertel mental clinic

Clinic director Berthold Kepplinger told reporters Tuesday the meeting also reunited the suspect's wife with the daughter Fritzl had led her to believe left home to join a religious cult, but instead was imprisoned in a cramped warren of secured and soundproofed cellar rooms.

Fritzl was remanded to court custody on Tuesday. Meanwhile, investigators are looking into suspicions that Fritzl may have had help in caring for and keeping secret the presence of a family living hidden in his basement.

Report claims son had cellar key

A report by the women’s magazine Brigitte has uncovered a claim that Fritzl’s son and Elisabeth’s brother, Thomas, had a key to the cellar. A couple who rented an upstairs room in the house, in the Austrian town of Amstetten, said that Thomas called himself the house “superintendent” and made regular trips to the cellar to get things for minor repairs.

The couple said they themselves were not allowed near the cellar, and were not allowed to rent a cellar storage room, although that his common practice in Austria.

Police are also taking into account the fact that Fritzl had made several trips to Thailand, and are looking into how the captive family may have gotten food and other goods while he was away.

Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Investigators uncovered tiny hideaway

Authorities have also raised the question of who may have helped the man build a cellar that includes a 300 kilogram steel and cement door. Fritzl was given permission to build the cellar as a bomb shelter in the late 1970s.

Since the case came to light, Fritzl’s 42 year old daughter, Elisabeth, and her children have been carefully shielded from public glare, undergoing psychiatric counselling to help them try to adjust after their unimaginable ordeal.

Cult cover-story for adoptive "grandkids"

Fritzl had told his wife that their daughter had run away to join a cult. In reality she was locked underground in the 60 square meter (650 square feet) underground rooms.

Mother and daughter were reunited this week for the first time in a quarter century.

Fritzl explained the presence of three of the grandchildren whom he adopted to his wife and to the community by claiming Elisabeth had given birth to them at the cult, and then delivered them to his doorstep for the older couple to care for.

Three other children – aged 19, 18 and 5 -- lived belowground with their mother in the cell. They first saw daylight when they were rescued.

Daughter's illness leads to family's release

One child, a twin, had died shortly after birth. Fritzl has admitted to burning the corpse in the house’s boiler.

The decision on which children lived aboveground and which below depended on whether they were “screaming babies” and on their general halth, explained Chief Inspector Leopold Etz from the Lower Austrian criminal investigators office.

Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: A bathroom in the shocking home-prison

The case came to light because one of the children, 19 year old Kerstin, was severely ill. Her “grandfather” brought the child to the hospital, which started a search for the child’s mother in the hopes of finding out her medical history. They televised an urgent call Elisabeth to come back and save the daughter’s life.

Elisabeth saw the call on television, and was able to convince her father to let her go to the hospital. She seized the chance to speak privately to a doctor and explain her situation. Fritzl was arrested the same day.

Fritzl’s admission that he burned the body of the dead seventh child could prove pivotal when the case comes to trial, with a prosecutor saying he would face a life sentence if found

guilty of manslaughter, as opposed to shorter prison terms for rape or incarceration.

Psychologist Paulus Hochgatterer, who is helping advise those counselling the family, told AFP news service that the three children Fritzl had kept underground are staying in a sequestered treatment container that could be locked from the inside.

Slow road to recovery?

Safely shielded from the media circus that has set up camp in Amstetten, he said their initial treatment could take several weeks.

"Only very gradually are they being exposed to the outside world," Hochgatterer said, adding that "given the circumstances, they're actually doing quite well."

The two sets of children are now tentatively beginning to get to know one another. The youngest child, five years old, seems most able to adapt to his new life, his caretakers said.

Experts said the family is likely to need years of therapy.

"It could take between five and eight years," said Max Friedrich, the psychiatrist who looked after another sequestration victim, Natascha Kampusch, in an interview with the daily Oesterreich.

The head of the local social services, Hans-Heinz Lenze, said a name-change had been suggested for the immediate victims, but Fritzl's other family as well, in order to give them a new start in life.

Long-term investigation expected

"At the moment, all possibilities are being sounded out in closest consultation with the family. But a decision will only be reached in the coming weeks," Lenze told a news conference on Tuesday.

Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Can officials look to the Kampusch case for help?

Chief investigator Franz Polzer told Austrian television that police might need "half a year" to complete their investigations. He ruled out any suggestion Fritzl might have had an accomplice.

"As our investigations now stand, there were no accomplices. But you can never be 100 percent certain."

Doctors would determine when police would be allowed to question Elisabeth Fritzl and the children, but that was unlikely to be for several days.

Fritzl had officially adopted the three aboveground children, after showing authorities letters signed by Elizabeth that said she could not care for them, and which asked that they try not to track her down for the sake of herself and her children.

Fritzl was allowed to adopt despite a reported conviction of attempted rape in the 1960s and of arson, but the records were wiped after a period of time set by Austrian law.

The district court in Amstetten, which had greenlighted the adoptions, said it had followed protocol in the adoption proceedings and had had acted correctly.

No sign of wife's complicity

"There weren't any doubts about his (Fritzl's) integrity. Why should I put the child in a foster home, when it could grow up in a family," court president Josef Schoegl told the Austria Press Agency.

Chief police investigator Franz Polzer said there was no sign that Fritzl's wife, who also had seven children with him, knew of the goings on in his locked dungeon.

In the town of Amstetten, more than 200 people including dozens of youngsters quietly held a candlelight vigil in the main square late Tuesday, as the town of 23,000 sought to cast off the notoriety brought to their doorstep by Fritzl.

Shocked residents react

"Shock, sadness, rage and perhaps also hatred have gripped us these last few days," pastor Peter Boesendorfer told those gathered.

"We must acknowledge that there is something in our town that we cannot comprehend," he said, calling on residents "to help and show solidarity so that a life will be possible" for the bewildered children and their scarred mother.

Amstetten mayor Herbert Katzengruber told the Austrian news agency APA: "We want to show that Amstetten is not a town for criminals. But it's mostly about showing solidarity and help to the victims."

Residents have repeatedly insisted they saw nothing amiss before the horror story was made public on Sunday.

Europe Riveted by Ongoing Austrian Incest Revelations | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 30.04.2008

Liebling:-))) · 05-01-2008, 04:13 AM

Kampusch speaks out on abuse case

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In her first British television interview Austrian former kidnap victim Natascha Kampusch has spoken to the BBC about Austria's latest abuse scandal.

Ms Kampusch was snatched on her way to school aged 10 and held in a basement cell for more than eight years.

She was asked by BBC's Newsnight how she felt about the story of Elisabeth Fritzl, released after being imprisoned by her father in a cellar for 24 years.

She said Elisabeth and her family would need time and silence to recover.

"Little by little I realised there were parallels to my own fate," said Ms Kampusch. "So then the whole story affected me even more."

'Authoritarian education'

Asked how she thought Elisabeth Fritzl and the rest of the family could best be helped now, she replied: "They need a lot of silence... Time heals all wounds."

She also suggested Austria's history had played some part in the cases of abuse which had taken place there.

"I think this exists worldwide, but I think it's also a ramification of the Second World War and its connection to education and so on," she said.

Natascha Kampusch is determined to live as normal a life as possible

"I think it can happen everywhere and it also exists everywhere, not just in Austria."

She went on to explain: "At the time of National Socialism the suppression of women was propagated. An authoritarian education was very important."

She told the BBC she wished the family "the best of luck and hope that they will pull through, and I think that at least the youngest ones will succeed".

Ms Kampusch said her own traumatic experience and suffering would stay with her for the rest of her life.

Donation campaign

Earlier Ms Kampusch told Austrian media that she had donated 25,000 euros to Elisabeth Fritzl and her children.

In a statement, she called for a wider donation campaign for the victims. Ms Kampusch added that long-term support for Elisabeth Fritzl, now 42, was vital.

Ms Fritzl was imprisoned and sexually abused by her father in a windowless cellar dungeon for 24 years.

Seven children were born from the abuse, three of whom remained incarcerated with her, never seeing daylight until they were released earlier this week.

Ms Kampusch was forced to live in a tiny basement cell for more than eight years, following her abduction in 1998.

Her 44-year-old captor, Wolfgang Priklopil, killed himself shortly after her escape in August 2006.

Ms Kampusch said she was in close contact with the Fritzl victims' lawyer and the authorities in Lower Austria, where the family live, and was keen to offer help and advice.

BBC NEWS | Europe | Kampusch speaks out on abuse case

Her interview with BBC reporter touch my heart.

Reba · 05-01-2008, 08:03 AM

This does stink:

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Yet, for an atrocity that has stunned the world, he may wind up serving just 15 years in prison if charged, tried and convicted.

Practically speaking, that may translate into a life sentence for Fritzl, 73. But his case has revived a debate over Europe's lenient penal system — and whether harsher, U.S.-style sentencing guidelines might help deter such heinous crimes.

"Fifteen years for destroying human lives is unacceptable," said Harald Vilimsky, a public safety policy official with Austria's conservative Freedom Party. "Any punishment that falls a single day short of a life sentence is a mockery of the victims."

Thank you Sara for this link:

Austria case revives European debate on light prison terms - Yahoo! News

sara1981 · 05-02-2008, 12:12 AM

Anguished Austrians question how incest case went undetected
Anguished Austrians question how incest case went undetected - Yahoo! News

Revealed: Incest father planned to free daughter in the summer and pretend she had escaped from an evil sect
Revealed: Incest father planned to free daughter in the summer and pretend she had escaped from an evil sect | the Daily Mail

deafdyke · 05-02-2008, 12:23 AM

Does anyone know if there are insitutions for the criminally insane in Europe?
I believe one of the articles said that a) he was convicted of rape, and b) a rape-murder case might be linked to him. It just totally frustrates me that he could get away with a light sentence. You know.....maybe a good idea might be to send this asshole to a Turkish prison.
Maybe this case will help focus attention on the percentage of VERY fucked up sociopaths who REALLY need to be kept away from society forever.
And you know what? I am SO fucking sick of people who whine about prisoners' rights. Yes.......be mild on the majority of prisoners. Most of them are folks who just made a mistake. But someone like this.........I'm sorry, but once you've done something as horrible as this, you automaticly have lost your rights as a human.

sara1981 · 05-02-2008, 01:02 AM

Miss-Delectable · 05-02-2008, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Pepsi Lover

This story is so sad.In all those years, something about this story does not add up.

You're correct about that.

We'll find out a lot more information in the coming months.

I heard somewhere that Kerstin, the eldest child presently in coma, has some hearing impairment.
Liebling, could you find out?

deafdyke · 05-02-2008, 03:14 AM

God, you know what? The father is going to be all "I didn't do anything. I'm innocent!"
I saw a video of a perpetrator of a simalir crime, and he was all "Oh I didn't do anything. I didn't hurt them."
I would LOVE to punish this sick fucker. And I mean he KNEW it was wrong....otherwise why did he deliberatly hide Elisabeth and the kids?

Liebling:-))) · 05-02-2008, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

This does stink:

Thank you Sara for this link:

Austria case revives European debate on light prison terms - Yahoo! News

The law will make sure that he stay in jail rest of his life for murder, rape and incest which is too high.

***~SG~*** · 05-02-2008, 05:32 AM

I would prefer that he's in jail with no sunlight, no electricity for lights, TV etc for life... a darkness in jail for 24 hours/7 days/365 days/366 days/years.

Thank you for more updates of the links Sara and Liebling.

Ozzie · 05-02-2008, 05:36 AM

A mixture of emotions went thru' me as I read this vile, despicable news. That really angered and shaken me to the core. *smh*

Liebling:-))) · 05-02-2008, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Miss-Delectable

We'll find out a lot more information in the coming months.

Yes we learn more and more everyday than we already learn about them. I saw TV daily about them. One thing they still find out what and how Elisabeth & children take care of during Josef's absence (trip to Thailand several times). It's hard to beleive that Josef's wife Rosemaria still unware about those issue when he visited to cellar and overnight there a lot. He forbidded her to bring anything or visit him in cellar.

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I heard somewhere that Kerstin, the eldest child presently in coma, has some hearing impairment.
Liebling, could you find out?

Yes, she is in coma. It's something do with her kidney and difficult to get breath. It's still inoffical about her. We will find out more about her soon.

Liebling:-))) · 05-02-2008, 05:49 AM

[quote]

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Originally Posted by deafdyke

WOW.....that's fucked up that prison sentences are so light in Europe.
Yes, most criminals aren't sociopaths. A friend of mine has done some time in jail, and he said that most criminals are just folks who made mistakes.

Sure, they learn their lesson and correct their mistakes and ask for forgive when they get out of prison but that Josef Fritzl? No Way!!!! He KNEW what he doing terrible!!! I learn his past history...

He raped someone in 1960s that's time he still married to Rosemarie and already have 4 kids. He was jailed for 18 months for rape... He treated his family horrible... One thing I really don't understand Rosemarie anymore... I would divorce him at long, long, long time ago when I were her... *shake my head*

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However, there IS a population of honest to god fucked up sociopaths who need to be locked up forever, like in a insistution for the criminally insane.

mental illness and sociopath like Josef belongs to be locked rest of life.

Liebling:-))) · 05-02-2008, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by deafdyke

God, you know what? The father is going to be all "I didn't do anything. I'm innocent!"
I saw a video of a perpetrator of a simalir crime, and he was all "Oh I didn't do anything. I didn't hurt them."
I would LOVE to punish this sick fucker. And I mean he KNEW it was wrong....otherwise why did he deliberatly hide Elisabeth and the kids?

He claimed that he take care of Elisabeth and children in cellar is clothes, foods, bed, etc. They are well care of...

He denied his knowledge what and how he did to Elisabeth is a definiety sick!!!

Elisabeth look really old than her own age which is really sad. We support her and her children fully but we know that the scar will remain with them rest of their life...

That's sick and monster !!

Reba · 05-02-2008, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Sure, they learn their lesson and correct their mistakes and ask for forgive when they get out of prison but that Josef Fritzl? No Way!!!! He KNEW what he doing terrible!!! I learn his past history...

He raped someone in 1960s that's time he still married to Rosemarie and already have 4 kids. He was jailed for 18 months for rape... He treated his family horrible... One thing I really don't understand Rosemarie anymore... I would divorce him at long, long, long time ago when I were her... *shake my head*

He served only 18 months for rape?! And they let him out? And he didn't have to register as a sex offender? What kind of "justice" is that?

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mental illness and sociopath like Josef belongs to be locked rest of life.

Yes, he deserves to be locked up for life but Austrian law won't do it.

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Yet, for an atrocity that has stunned the world, he may wind up serving just 15 years in prison if charged, tried and convicted.

Austria case revives European debate on light prison terms - Yahoo! News

jillio · 05-02-2008, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

I feel sick with pain when I watched the TV with video, photos, etc - long one... interviewed with people who lives at same village as Josef F.

I got mixed feeling and really feel pain for poor daughter and children.

Elisabeth waste 24 years life... She supposed to be married and have her own children, not that monster who father 7 children to her!!!!

Elisabeth & her mother reunioned each other in hospitail last Sunday. Mother was nerves breakdown because she knows nothing what and how it does. She beleive for a long time that Elisabeth escaped from world to religion cult and don't want to contact world.

Father forced Elisabeth to write a note that she is unable to take care of 3 children and leave them on doorstep with note... CPS (welfare for children protection) visited/inspect Josef & his wife's house because they applied for foster/adopt 3 children. CPS said everything in their house to basement are well care and clean... but they didn't noticed that small door, he hided Elisabeth and children. It's not just them, but his wife and relatives as well... that small door - they thought is for supply things... (work shop, etc).

They contact the world thru TV and video... which they never see sunlight... 5 years old boy alway want to sit on the car what he saw from TV until they freed from basement... Police offered him to sit on the car... He was happy and excited and said that I can't beleive that I sit on the car... wow... It look like that he is well care but he think it's normal to live in basement with no window... no see sunlight.. .but just TV and video... It's Elisabeth who taught her children to speak and read... and watch TV...

The people, who know Josef & family and said that they are very nice and friendly and very good "Grandparents" to 3 children. 3 children attend school and social outside is very well... I can image it must be shock for them to learn that their "Grandfather" is really their father who fathered his daughter (their mother). They also reunioned with her & siblings as well.

Elisabeth look old than her own age.

They suggest that Josef should stay in jail between 15 and 20 years which I disagree to because he should stay in jail for rest of his life. He deserve it!!!!!!!

There'll more news to update...

Yes, this is a horrible, horrible thing. But since he is already 73 years old, spending 15 to 20 years in jail will probably end up being the rest of his life.

jillio · 05-02-2008, 09:22 AM

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Liebling:-))) me in Springfield, IL '07 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 22,429	I feel sick with pain when I watched the TV with video, photos, etc - long one... interviewed with people who lives at same village as Josef F. I got mixed feeling and really feel pain for poor daughter and children. Elisabeth waste 24 years life... She supposed to be married and have her own children, not that monster who father 7 children to her!!!! Elisabeth & her mother reunioned each other in hospitail last Sunday. Mother was nerves breakdown because she knows nothing what and how it does. She beleive for a long time that Elisabeth escaped from world to religion cult and don't want to contact world. Father forced Elisabeth to write a note that she is unable to take care of 3 children and leave them on doorstep with note... CPS (welfare for children protection) visited/inspect Josef & his wife's house because they applied for foster/adopt 3 children. CPS said everything in their house to basement are well care and clean... but they didn't noticed that small door, he hided Elisabeth and children. It's not just them, but his wife and relatives as well... that small door - they thought is for supply things... (work shop, etc). They contact the world thru TV and video... which they never see sunlight... 5 years old boy alway want to sit on the car what he saw from TV until they freed from basement... Police offered him to sit on the car... He was happy and excited and said that I can't beleive that I sit on the car... wow... It look like that he is well care but he think it's normal to live in basement with no window... no see sunlight.. .but just TV and video... It's Elisabeth who taught her children to speak and read... and watch TV... The people, who know Josef & family and said that they are very nice and friendly and very good "Grandparents" to 3 children. 3 children attend school and social outside is very well... I can image it must be shock for them to learn that their "Grandfather" is really their father who fathered his daughter (their mother). They also reunioned with her & siblings as well. Elisabeth look old than her own age. They suggest that Josef should stay in jail between 15 and 20 years which I disagree to because he should stay in jail for rest of his life. He deserve it!!!!!!! There'll more news to update... __________________ sniffing you

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jillio Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 12,571	[quote=IslandBreeze07;965038][quote=KalistaAnd you think the Polygamist were bad! At least those kids were well-fed, healthy and basked in the sun. I can't imagine being locked away for so long and not see daylight. The guy royally sucks.[/QUOTE] Can't compare the 2 situations. One was committed by one singular sociopath. The other is systematic and widespread abuse committed under the guise of freedom of religion.

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deafdyke So NOT a Princess! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ROOOARRRR!!!, that's where! Posts: 6,093	WOW.....that's fucked up that prison sentences are so light in Europe. Yes, most criminals aren't sociopaths. A friend of mine has done some time in jail, and he said that most criminals are just folks who made mistakes. However, there IS a population of honest to god fucked up sociopaths who need to be locked up forever, like in a insistution for the criminally insane.

05-02-2008, 12:23 AM	#40 (permalink)
deafdyke So NOT a Princess! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ROOOARRRR!!!, that's where! Posts: 6,093	Does anyone know if there are insitutions for the criminally insane in Europe? I believe one of the articles said that a) he was convicted of rape, and b) a rape-murder case might be linked to him. It just totally frustrates me that he could get away with a light sentence. You know.....maybe a good idea might be to send this asshole to a Turkish prison. Maybe this case will help focus attention on the percentage of VERY fucked up sociopaths who REALLY need to be kept away from society forever. And you know what? I am SO fucking sick of people who whine about prisoners' rights. Yes.......be mild on the majority of prisoners. Most of them are folks who just made a mistake. But someone like this.........I'm sorry, but once you've done something as horrible as this, you automaticly have lost your rights as a human.

05-02-2008, 03:14 AM	#43 (permalink)
deafdyke So NOT a Princess! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ROOOARRRR!!!, that's where! Posts: 6,093	God, you know what? The father is going to be all "I didn't do anything. I'm innocent!" I saw a video of a perpetrator of a simalir crime, and he was all "Oh I didn't do anything. I didn't hurt them." I would LOVE to punish this sick fucker. And I mean he KNEW it was wrong....otherwise why did he deliberatly hide Elisabeth and the kids?

05-02-2008, 05:32 AM	#45 (permalink)
*~SG~* Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,803	I would prefer that he's in jail with no sunlight, no electricity for lights, TV etc for life... a darkness in jail for 24 hours/7 days/365 days/366 days/years. Thank you for more updates of the links Sara and Liebling.

05-02-2008, 05:36 AM	#46 (permalink)
Ozzie "The reason I smile" Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 951	A mixture of emotions went thru' me as I read this vile, despicable news. That really angered and shaken me to the core. smh