Oregon man says he's pregnant? - Page 4

***VamPyroX*** · 04-22-2008, 01:52 PM

Okay... so, we should consider him a man because he has a body of a man? He said he wanted to have surgery to become a man, but decided to keep his female reproductive organs? So, is he truly a man?

What about women who consider themselves men? If they become pregnant, should they be allowed to label themselves as "Pregnant Men"?

Mizzou · 04-22-2008, 05:19 PM

He did not removed his female organs so he is lucky to have it to bear the baby. If he did removed then there is no baby at all.

PuyoPiyo · 04-22-2008, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

Okay... so, we should consider him a man because he has a body of a man? He said he wanted to have surgery to become a man, but decided to keep his female reproductive organs? So, is he truly a man?

What about women who consider themselves men? If they become pregnant, should they be allowed to label themselves as "Pregnant Men"?

Actually he doesn't consider himself as man just because he have a man body, he consider himself as man because it is who the way he think he is. Also the only reason why he become pregnant is for to have the baby, that's it. He don't keep his female organ because he think he might be a "Born Man with Pussy", ya know what I mean..

***Jolie77*** · 04-22-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by PuyoPiyo

Actually he doesn't consider himself as man just because he have a man body, he consider himself as man because it is who the way he think he is. Also the only reason why he become pregnant is for to have the baby, that's it. He don't keep his female organ because he think he might be a "Born Man with Pussy", ya know what I mean..

Just because he has a "male" body with the reproductive organs, It should still not pass him as a "man". He is still on the fence with this one because he still has BOTH female and male body parts. If he were to have his body as whole for being a male, then therefore, he is still considered to be a male.

Since he/she still has the female organs, It is still considered as a female only he/she has those tweaks that pass off as a male.

deafdyke · 04-22-2008, 07:20 PM

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Gender is so much more than biology. What equipment you have in your pants doesn't say who you are...your BRAIN says who you are.

Etoile, Agreed. I identify strongly as genderqueer. However, it does seem like a lot of trans people seem to really buy into binaries when it comes to gender. And I gotta say.............if the person is genetically female and has female body parts, then they ARE female. I remember reading that this person just randomly decided in young adulthood that they were male. I can 100% understand a little boy or a little girl feeling uncomfortable with sex roles. You know whatsherface? Stone Butch Blues lady? SHE knew from very early childhood, that she didn't feel like she fit in as a female. One of my friends from college is TS.....he's genetically female, but was raised as a male.

Byrdie714 · 04-22-2008, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolie_77

Just because he has a "male" body with the reproductive organs, It should still not pass him as a "man". He is still on the fence with this one because he still has BOTH female and male body parts. If he were to have his body as whole for being a male, then therefore, he is still considered to be a male.

Since he/she still has the female organs, It is still considered as a female only he/she has those tweaks that pass off as a male.

Curious....could they get themselves pregnant if they have both parts?

***Jolie77*** · 04-22-2008, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Curious....could they get themselves pregnant if they have both parts?

Uhm, I wouldn't know about that but if they were able to, that'd be sort of cloning theirselves, wouldn't it?

PuyoPiyo · 04-22-2008, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolie_77

Just because he has a "male" body with the reproductive organs, It should still not pass him as a "man". He is still on the fence with this one because he still has BOTH female and male body parts. If he were to have his body as whole for being a male, then therefore, he is still considered to be a male.

Since he/she still has the female organs, It is still considered as a female only he/she has those tweaks that pass off as a male.

Well it won't work out because those pre-transition (before the sexual reassignment surgery) transgenders will want people to refer them the gender they are presented in the sight so they can feel used with being called "he" instead of "she", or "she" instead of "he", but you are right, that man in the article here are still as "female", but processing to be a man. If we still refer them as their biological gender, then they will feel insulted or put down, or quit the process, or even the worst, suicide. It's just that I would prefer to focus on who they think they are, not what they are.

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Curious....could they get themselves pregnant if they have both parts?

It depends on the hormones therpay, that's all I know.

***VamPyroX*** · 04-22-2008, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolie_77

Just because he has a "male" body with the reproductive organs, It should still not pass him as a "man". He is still on the fence with this one because he still has BOTH female and male body parts. If he were to have his body as whole for being a male, then therefore, he is still considered to be a male.

Since he/she still has the female organs, It is still considered as a female only he/she has those tweaks that pass off as a male.

Then it shouldn't be publicly announced as a man being pregnant. It should be more of a transgender being pregnant or a hermaphrodite being pregnant.

Reba · 04-23-2008, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Jolie_77

Just because he has a "male" body with the reproductive organs, It should still not pass him as a "man".

If you're referring to the Oregon person, she still has a female body and DNA. She has a complete uterus and ovaries. She has a "manly" appearance but everything on the inside of her body is still female.

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He is still on the fence with this one because he still has BOTH female and male body parts.

What male body parts? She hasn't had any surgery for that. She had some hormone treatments for secondary male appearance. That doesn't make her a male.

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If he were to have his body as whole for being a male, then therefore, he is still considered to be a male.

She never had a male body.

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Since he/she still has the female organs, It is still considered as a female only he/she has those tweaks that pass off as a male.

Yep. Born female, and still female.

CCfan · 04-23-2008, 12:13 AM

Oh my god! That's impossible for this man get a pregnant?!

I don't believe in a man getting a pregnant, huh?

ADDED AS UPDATED: I never seen FTM using with pregnant!

CCfan · 04-23-2008, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Kalista

Oh yeah, Absolutely, they just get their attention in the media and make millionare dollars when they sell their stories. Otherwise, I am cherish my body what god made me for who I am. Why should we sell our bodies into the media to make millionare ?

Yes, they already did it, so now it's now publicity for anyone can
read that how readers/viewers would reacting about it.

CCfan · 04-23-2008, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by cingibbo

Maybe he got his own sperm saved before he became a woman so he could clone himself. Ever think of that?

Who knows?

Reba · 04-23-2008, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Curious....could they get themselves pregnant if they have both parts?

Not likely, according to this:

"...So, what are we dealing with when we discuss human hermaphrodites? Actually they are more properly called pseudohermaphrodites (which is the term used by biologists) or "Intersexuals" (which is the term that seems to be preferred in the politically correct circles...). If we examine the course of human embryological development we can see that we are all originally equipped with the potential to form both the male and female genitalia ... but we have only one set of gonads. During normal male development, the gonads form into testis, the male based genitalia enlarge and the female based genitalia regress. In female development, the opposite happens, gonads become ovaries, male genitalia regress and female genitalia enlarge. Sexually ambiguous individuals develop in a way that both sets of genitalia enlarge. Notice, that these individuals still only have one set of gonads. These gonads will either be testis or ovaries and that will truly identify the sex of the individual. In some cases, the gonad will itself be ambiguous and share histological characteristics of both testis and ovaries, but in this case it will be able to function as neither. So the individual that develops is not a true hermaphrodite since they lack any functional reproductive organ...."
Re: Can a Human be born a true hermaphrodite?

Wokamuka · 07-03-2008, 06:22 PM

Must be nice to have a birthday where everybody celebrates with a cook-out and fireworks!

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'Pregnant man' gives birth to baby girl -- Newsday.com
NEWSDAY.COM
4:04 PM EDT, July 3, 2008

A transgender man who made national news earlier this year when he revealed he was pregnant has given birth to a girl, ABC News reported.

Thomas Beatie, 34. who became pregnant through artificial insemination, gave birth Sunday to a healthy baby. The Oregon man was resting and healthy, according to ABC. The birth was natural.

Beatie, who was born a woman, kept his female sex organs.

"I actually opted not to do anything to my reproductive organs because I wanted to have a child one day," he told Oprah Winfrey earlier this year. "I see pregnancy as a process and it doesn't define who I am."

According to ABC, he was inseminated with a donor's sperm at his home by his wife. The device was described as similar to a syringe without the needle.

Mizzou · 07-11-2008, 01:13 PM

Born on June 29th, not July 3rd.

PuyoPiyo · 07-12-2008, 01:00 AM

Glad that the baby had born success

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04-22-2008, 05:19 PM	#92 (permalink)
Mizzou Where is my car ? Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: somewhere in Missouri Posts: 2,578	He did not removed his female organs so he is lucky to have it to bear the baby. If he did removed then there is no baby at all.

07-11-2008, 01:13 PM	#106 (permalink)
Mizzou Where is my car ? Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: somewhere in Missouri Posts: 2,578	Born on June 29th, not July 3rd.