Reba

I still don't see this story as being about a "man" being pregnant.

It's about a woman (with female DNA, born with all the female parts) who has tried to artificially change her appearance to male. She's basically a flat-chested bearded lady lapping up all this freakish attention. I don't see anything "brave" or praiseworthy about the situation at all.

Deafness

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Etoile

You and I are going to have to agree to disagree, Reba. I have known another person who doesn't believe in transgender people and he and I aren't friends anymore - that's not the only reason, but a big part of it.. I like you too much for that to happen, but what you see as a freak of nature, I see as a person's right to make their body match what their brain is. (Male and female brains are different...it's possible that some people are simply born into the wrong body.) God may not make mistakes...but who's to say that God didn't intend for these people to be transgender?

Reba

I didn't call the person a freak of nature. I said the public attention is freakish. Um, what forum is this story posted in? "Strange & Stupid News"

If this person truly believed that she was supposed to be a man, and wanted to become a man, what's with this very public pregnancy? It seems to me this is someone who wants her cake and eat it too. It seems she's not really fully commited to becoming a man. There's still ambiguity there.

Her brain and body are still not in synch. Apparently she's still experiencing confusion. Is that a good situation in which to bring a child? Especially in the glare of publicity? Something is amiss here.

If that's what she wants, I'm not going to campaign to stop her. But I'm also not going to lead the band in her parade.

Etoile

I know you didn't say he was a "freak of nature" - that was my condensation of "flat-chested bearded lady." But yeah, I agree there is still ambiguity there. If he wants to be known as a man, I have no problem with that...I believe in acknowledging people as the gender they feel they are rather than what I see them as. But yeah, it's certainly not following traditional male roles to be having a public pregnancy like this. I have no problem with him doing it, but I agree that something is odd with the publicity.

Aleser

There are trans people who do not wish to completely surgically transition, and those who feel that they're not ready for that step in their life. It's no less 'valid' or 'genuine' than signing up for the real life test the day you realize you aren't a man or aren't a woman.

Gender is not binary, as you perceive it to be. People can be somewhere in the middle and not be confused about their gender.

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I've known a pregnant transman before, and I have to say... it's something that takes more courage than I could ever own. He survived that long managing not only the ups and downs and hormones of pregnancy, but also the incredible trial of being constantly confronted with a more and more feminine body. That takes guts, folks.

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shel90

I think the public attention is to educate the public about lives of transgender people. Without the attention, people like me would remain ignorant.

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PuyoPiyo

Also you should check Boy Don't Cry movie, it's very inspired movie and based on a true story, that movie is about a girl who decide to change into a boy, but later so much drama going on with him about his gender issues and he was.. I better keep the spoil to myself I would highly recommend that movie, I am sure you will find it as worth it to see

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Byrdie714

Is this kid going to call her/him, mommy or daddy?

PuyoPiyo

It's a him and that child will call him daddy based on his gender as his present today.

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Byrdie714

But 'him' gave birth to the child and therefore should be called 'mom'.

This child is going to need counseling while growing up due to the parents gender difficulties.

Etoile

No...just because he gave birth doesn't make him the mom. The "mom" is the person who is a female in the house. The "dad" is the male in the house. It doesn't matter who gave birth. Otherwise a kid who is adopted couldn't say "dad" or "mom" at all.

I don't think there are gender "difficulties" at all...they know who they are!

Freaky Cat

but "she" still have the female reproduction system which in medical term it still is a female. She was born with it and still is a female, period. so she is a mother.

she may think she is a male but she is still a female, biologcally.

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Etoile

I don't think I should continue in this...I treat my transgender friends as the gender they believe they are. Gender is so much more than biology. What equipment you have in your pants doesn't say who you are...your BRAIN says who you are.

undecisivegurl

ok. that was interesting.

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Byrdie714

Everyone seems to focus on the transgender/transsexual parent.

What about the child? The child is going to be going to public/private school and will see that their friends have a mom and dad. This child is going to have a harder life as it is knowing that "dad" gave birth when in fact-- "dad" is actually the "mom".

I support transgender/transsexual people in whatever they want to do but to bring a child that didn't ask for it into the mix is where I draw the line.

I am siding with Reba on this issue.

All in all, the child has my sympathy.

Freaky Cat

and me too..

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PuyoPiyo

As biology, he's a mother, but as role, he will be a father.

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PuyoPiyo

You don't support transgender parents to have the children just because someone else will laugh at the children? My opinion, it's those people who laugh at them do have a problem, not those children who have transgender parents.

Also I had read some stories about transgender parents, but that link was not working anymore so all I can find is this page with picture of a transgender mom with her two daughter, see Trisha Kuwahara.

Transsexual Women's Successes, by Lynn Conway. PHOTO GALLERY PAGE 1

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Mizzou

No matter what if he is having a baby and he is the father and his wife is mother... child will be called them as dad and mom in no different. When child get older and will understand the sitaution. I am sure child is not different because all children has common with parents and same sex parents. Child is in good life with training right way, if not training then child will be in bad life.

Help any ?

cingibbo

Maybe he got his own sperm saved before he became a woman so he could clone himself. Ever think of that?

Reba

Mizzou

HUH ?? he was a woman then he becomes a man. He, a woman does not have sperm in its body.

SHEESH!

Etoile

Besides, storing your sperm has nothing to do with cloning!

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[quote]It's not just transgender/transsexual parent but gay/lesbian parent as well. What about gay/lesbian parent then? (I personally see nothing wrong with that but I has to remind you about gay parent.)

To me, I feel sorry for those people who bully the child of transgender/transsexual or gay/lesibian parents because they have no life... Blame the parents for expose their child to be ignorant and close minded. I have seen many gay/lesbian parents in real life. Their children are tolerate and open mind and respectfully and have no problem to be friends with others. I also have seen transgender/transsexual parents on TV as well... Their children behavior is the same as the children of gay/lesbian parents. They have no problem at school and public. I the parents for positive their children to not make fun the child of gay/lesbian and transgender/transexual parents etc. etc.