TinCanSailor

Well here is my side: In 1983 while I was still in the Navy, I participated in a multi-service government two-week nuclear weapons accident exercise at the Department of Energy (DOE) Nevada Test Site headquartered in Mercury, NV. We arrived at Nellis, AFB and rode by bus to the site.

No recording devices of any kind were allowed in. There is a guarded perimeter fence. The test range is approximately 100 by 50 square miles. This place is where all nuclear testing was done. It is pockmarked with hundreds of depressions in the desert. It also has numerous abandoned test structures of experiments long ago.

At the northeastern edge of the test area is Groom Road. It leads to Groom Lake (AKA Area 51). Area 51 is a military (USAF) base. It is where new weapons/aircraft are tested. They are never tested in the daytime where satellites can spy on them. All test flying is done at night. Many experimental aircraft (all shapes and sizes) have crashed on the site. 99 percent of it is cleaned up and buried in the desert.

The entire dry lake bed valley including the surrounding mountain range is still off limits to unauthorized personnel. It is continually patrolled by DOD police and Air Force military police. Military and civilian contract workers do fly a shuttle daily.

And don't forget Indian Springs, NV south of the test site where Creech AFB is. They are big into the drone thing.

For the fun of it, you can drive around the northern part on hwy 375 officially named Extraterrestrial Highway. Get your picture taken standing by a road sign but you still can't go on the government property.

THERE IS NO ET! That was just a convenient cover story the military came up with after people started watching and reading science fiction after the end of WW II and seeing strange things in the sky.

Without getting into to much here, Roswell, NM is real close to the White Sands Missile Test Range. You can guess why people see strange things out in the desert. The same in Alamogordo, NM on the lower end of the range right where Holloman AFB is. And of course there is Lockheed Martin complex in Lancaster, Ca (AKA Skunk Works). They sure make cool planes!

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Here is my experience, and hopefully, I can explain why I am so interested in this subject.

Before 2004, I had always regarded UFO's as explainable natural, or man-made phenomenon. My older brother, was a sci-fi fan, and growing up, we had a lot of discussions regarding the possibility of life being elsewhere in the universe. However, these were just "for fun" conversations, and nothing was taken literally or with any sort of seriousness. It was "fun" to speculate that we were not alone in the universe.

Flash forward to 2004. I got married to my first wife in 2003. My now, ex wife, was fascinated by the whole subject of aliens and ufo's. She truly believed that she was at one time abducted by aliens. She also believed that she had been an abductee over the course of her lifespan. She also believed that Jesus was an alien, and this explained why he was able to perform miracles.

I did not share her beliefs. I also did not mock her, or try to berate her for those beliefs. Yes, I thought it was "nutty" but I kept my opinion to myself lest I get sent to the "doghouse".

She was also a member of some sort of online UFO watchers group. The UFO watchers group had a "leader", if you will, who was a professor at a University in DC. I would like to have thought he was perhaps a psychology professor studying mental disorders, but this was not the case, he actually believed that he himself was also an abductee. This online group had numerous members who all thought they had been abducted at one time or another.

Anyways .... I completely dismissed all of this as "nonsense" but "fun to think about" (if that even makes sense).

Then, I saw a UFO. You see, you think all this stuff is crazy until it happens to you. Prior to having witnessed, with my own eyes, a UFO, I thought the same way most people think about UFO's - that it isn't really real. And, I would still think the same way, if I had not seen, with my own eyes, what I saw in 2004.

Yes, I was told I saw something man-made. No, I did not see something man-made. Yes, I was told I was hallucinating. No, I was not hallucinating. There were several other witnesses that saw and described exactly what I saw. It was not a mass hallucination. It was not a stealth bomber, it was not a super secret military aircraft. I also know, there will be absolutely no way I could ever convince anyone of what I actually saw with my own eyes, unless they had seen the same thing too.

It was the exact same thing that thousands of residents in Phoenix, Arizona described what they saw in 1997. Even the Governor at the time, Fife Symington, came forward years later, and explained that he had seen it as well. He came clean, and explained that he was told to "downplay" the incident to prevent mass hysteria.

Even he claims that what he saw was not from our planet.

Here is his statement:

Symington: I saw a UFO in the Arizona sky - CNN



I saw the same thing in 2004. What I saw, does not in any way, shape or form, contradict my spiritual faith. However, it does challenge it somewhat.

Yes, I do know that the military kept the stealth bomber secret for years until it became public knowledge.

I want to emphasize here, I did not see a man-made craft. To clarify what I mean - I once thought it was possible to have been a "projection" from a satellite. Sort of like how projectors are used to watch DVDs, except a more sophisticated one from a satellite. But ... that would have been impossible. What I saw was passing through clouds.

Edit to add: I am not trying to leave the impression that those who do not "believe" should. I am simply stating what I saw and I am not playing any sort of game. I am being very serious and honest.

Jiro

you know him? how? where?

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Steinhauer

We used to be co-workers and neighbors (as in the same town). When I knew him, he was going through a very bitter divorce, and his daughter required major surgery for something very serious. He was having a rough time, and I would just visit to make sure he was doing ok.

He is actually the person responsible for getting me interested in motorcycles again (he was a motorcycle mechanic). I spent a lot of time over at his house restoring metric motorcycles before he moved.

He was from New Orleans and a refugee of Katrina. His wife had a house here in Georgia and his family moved here (or he did). His father was also from New Orleans but I am not sure where they are now.

I also helped him move his wife out when their divorce was finalized (at his request).

I haven't seen him since he moved, we exchanged a few emails but we both have moved on. The last I heard, he had gotten a job he really enjoyed and was happy with the place he moved to.

TinCanSailor

Anyone interested in motorcycles must be a little "strange".

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caz12

that was very interesting,i live not far from rendlesham forrest where them g.i. saw something but as it was american base i think it something they were doing that went wrong...they cut all the trees down afterwards there was radition readings and no one was allowed anywhere near...that area has very sinister feel to it...i also live by the sea and often see things in the sky at night,i would love think something there but i dont think it is.
one obsevation peope in roswel area made pot of money out of it all

CrazyPaul

That's the big problem we are having here. If I saw an UFO and told people about it, they would not believe me and thought that it was a hoax because they haven't seen it. "You saw an UFO last night but I didn't see it so you lied." I don't think anyone who actually saw one made it up. That includes some police officers. Why would they make it up?

UNYTruthHunters

Caz, sorry to burst your bubble. If the UFO crash in US, then the US military will seize that craft immediately like they did in 1965 in PA with the acorn shaped UFO. Secondly, the American government has a policy to deny and keep secret about UFOs so they will seize it without question. No buts, no whys, or whatever.

Of course, laws have changed quite a bit in America but secret laws stay intact or the excecutive decisions are usually bypassed the Constitutional laws in the United States. There is one still in the book. In 1950, the US Government secretly passed this law and policy as well that they have rights to seize and control media outlets. That is long before Obama doing all this. That is right, communism was still alive in America in 1950!

That law in 1950 was passed because of the Roswell Incident that it leaked correctly that it was a UFO crash. But they quickly tried to cover up next day. That is why they are being so clever ever since.

UNYTruthHunters

That incident in Phoenix called The Phoenix Lights was already debunked twice by different tv shows. I reviewed it myself and I can easily debunk it because of the movement of lights were actually falling down extremely slow and disappeared behind that set of mountains since the air force base is right behind the mountain. It was flare lights ejected from a jet in an excerise they had.

However, people have seen UFOs in other nights near that night was clearly UFOs. However, there were no proof of UFOs in photographs. Very few had cell phones at the time and too few had video cameras.

So, The Phoenix Lights was debunked. Sorry about that.

Reba

I don't think people are always lying about what they see. I think they misinterpret what they see because they don't have all the facts about what they see. Also, to me, it doesn't matter whether or not I've seen something with my own eyes. Obviously, we can't see everything that happens for ourselves. We have to make our judgments based on other things, not just what we see.

caz12

i read couple of books by chap called tim good,called 'above top secret'well worth read if intrested in this sort of thing,he got loads of evidence,america did something called Setie i (think that what it called)somebody heard something that could not be explained and called it 'wow factor'that what jodie foster film loosley based on....i gather in russia they bit more open to this,and the 30yr secret thing is up now in uk and i gather some intresting info come out

Steinhauer

I was not talking about the Phoenix lights. I was talking about the delta shaped craft. Those two things were separate incidents.

The craft had also been seen by witnesses in different States prior to the Phoenix lights.

http://articles.cnn.com/2007-11-09/t...ety?_s=PM:TECH

Fife Symington was looking for the lights, but saw the craft that thousands of other people saw.

Reba

SETI is not a secret.

SETI at Berkeley | The Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence at UC Berkeley

SETI: The Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence

Grummer

i used to have a program from seti for seti...no big news...

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caz12

or do you think they make you to think it in hanger 51 but it in affecr some where else.there the blue book aswell i wonder how much of that is edited

VamPyroX

We... are... not... alone!

I have always believed that there is life out there.

Billions and billions of galaxies out there and we're the only ones here? Yeah, right!

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TinCanSailor

Lets start up the 1966 Michigan Swamp Gas UFO case again. I'm feeling nostalgic.

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Reba

Project Blue Book? It's not a secret.

Steinhauer

According to Huffington Post, the UK will releasing be all of their UFO files - and they are available to the public to be downloaded until August11 :

UFO Files: Declassified U.K. Documents Released, Reveal Tony Blair Was Briefed On UFO Sightings

I am also posting a youtube video - even though I myself cannot make out what is being said. The CC is not very good either. Apparently, a retired USAF Lieutenant Colonel is claiming that it was his job to debunk actual UFO sightings, and he was the one responsible for the term we now call "swamp gas".


From reading through the comments, it is claimed he had the most combat missions of any other fighter pilot in the USAF and was awarded the medal of honor, so .... I did some digging and all I could come up with is this:

Valor awards for Richard E. French | Military Times Hall of Valor

I also found a bit more info here:

Retired air force lieutenant colonel talks about investigating and debunking UFO sightings | Openminds.tv

Like I said, I cannot make out what is being said in the video and the CC is only confusing me a little bit more. I do not know if he is who he says he is.

respectyoda

God created the Universe to display his infinite ability to create such cool objects!

As for us, we are the only intelligent beings in the Universe.

respectyoda

Yes, you better believe that we are the only intelligent beings in the Universe. To this date, no human has ever intercepted radio waves emitted from any of the planets in our solar system and beyond it.

Steinhauer

SETI Picks Up Regular Laser Pulse Emanating From Space

no, not radio signals ...

CrazyPaul

Yes, thank you very much. I believe that there is life in the universe beginning trillions years ago, therefore they are MUCH MORE ADVANCED than us so UFOs are real. I don't know why alot of people don't believe there are UFOs. It's definitely possible that the aliens have HIGHER intelligence than us and design their high-tech spacecrafts to have abilities flying from its galaxy to another. Earthers have a long, long way to go, maybe in another thousand years.

respectyoda

Laser pulses can be emitted by inorganic matter. This study is abridged and does not cite any evidence.

respectyoda

The Universe is not that old, let alone Earth. There is plenty of evidence to prove that Earth and consequently, the Universe is young.

It is pathetic to watch men create theories on the origins of the Universe by rejecting the notion of God and in doing so, they only create more holes in the piece of Swiss cheese that is called Evolution.

The claim that we came about by Evolution and the Big Bang can be equated with the notion that a tornado can go through a junkyard full of airplane parts that are scattered about and produce a full working airplane!

Reba

Respectyoda, I enjoy your posts but would it be possible to use a different color? The orange text is hard to read.

respectyoda

Just call me Yoda. Let me change the font color. Does this font color work better for you?

Reba

Thank you.

JMH

Bible aren't 100% accurate either.

respectyoda

You are welcome, Reba!