$143K Hospital Bill Shocks Snake Bite Victim - Page 4

**Foxrac** · 06-01-2012, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

And how did you arrive at this cost?

It was completely unexpectedly because I thought it will be reasonable but... not true.

ER treatment is expensive as always.

**TXgolfer** · 06-01-2012, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

.....I only addressed specifically about cost of medical care and affordable care under PPACA.

Which is political. Those costs... Both $$$ and otherwise are heavily disputed.

**TXgolfer** · 06-01-2012, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

It was completely unexpectedly because I thought it will be reasonable but... not true.

ER treatment is expensive as always.

So what do you think the fair price for life saving snake bite treatment is then?

**Foxrac** · 06-01-2012, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

So what do you think the fair price for life saving snake bite treatment is then?

It should be around $10,000 or less.

**Jiro** · 06-01-2012, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Which is political. Those costs... Both $$$ and otherwise are heavily disputed.

oic.... it must be very lonely to be unable to engage in intellectual discussion without being honest to yourself.

**Jiro** · 06-01-2012, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

So what do you think the fair price for life saving snake bite treatment is then?

how about you?

**TXgolfer** · 06-01-2012, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

It should be around $10,000 or less.

And how do you arrive at that cost?

**TXgolfer** · 06-01-2012, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

how about you?

I have no idea....I'm not in that line of work.

**Foxrac** · 06-01-2012, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

And how do you arrive at that cost?

I don't understand your question.

**TXgolfer** · 06-01-2012, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

oic.... it must be very lonely to be unable to engage in intellectual discussion without being honest to yourself.

*shrug* The costs ARE disputed.

**TXgolfer** · 06-01-2012, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

I don't understand your question.

How did you determine the treatment should cost $10,000 or less?

**Jiro** · 06-01-2012, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

I have no idea....I'm not in that line of work.

sure you do. you've been in business for a long time.... meaning you have an experience with what price is reasonable or not because after all... you would pay for what you think is right.

$10,000 doesn't sound bad to me. $143,000 is not reasonable. in fact, it's insane.

**Jiro** · 06-01-2012, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

*shrug* The costs ARE disputed.

yes but not political. it's business.

again.... it shouldn't cost that much to buy your life back although I would be fully covered under my current healthcare coverage but under your current healthcare coverage (assuming that you do have one)... you'll be fine in case of $143,000 hospital bill?"

**Jiro** · 06-01-2012, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

How did you determine the treatment should cost $10,000 or less?

why not?

**Foxrac** · 06-01-2012, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

How did you determine the treatment should cost $10,000 or less?

**TXgolfer** · 06-01-2012, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

sure you do. you've been in business for a long time.... meaning you have an experience with what price is reasonable or not because after all... you would pay for what you think is right.

$10,000 doesn't sound bad to me. $143,000 is not reasonable. in fact, it's insane.

Nah... se having been in business I know that it is insane to try to guess the costs of another business. In fact I saw many of my competitors close because they tried to expand into other areas without knowing what it cost to do business in those areas. I saw people lose houses and marriages because of that. So I wouldnt even venture a guess. Might as well just roll some dice.

**TXgolfer** · 06-01-2012, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

yes but not political. it's business.

Nope...

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again.... it shouldn't cost that much to buy your life back although I would be fully covered under my current healthcare coverage but under your current healthcare coverage (assuming that you do have one)... you'll be fine in case of $143,000 hospital bill?"

I have answered that already...

**TXgolfer** · 06-01-2012, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

why not?

I didn't make a claim either way.

**TXgolfer** · 06-01-2012, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

What is so confusing? You set a price for the treatment.....I am asking how you decided on that price...

**Jiro** · 06-01-2012, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

I didn't make a claim either way.

that's not what I asked. I'm just asking you for your opinion. why not $10,000? don't you agree that $143,000 is quite too excessive?

in your opinion, what do you feel the price of anti-venom treatment should cost you?

**Jiro** · 06-01-2012, 01:46 AM

My friend and his family members are in medical business. The true cost of medical expense especially medical supplies is much less than the price printed on the bill. For ie, a pair of tylenol can cost you $140+ at hospital easy.

Why so high? because they can and the bill will get paid regardless.

My other friend asked me to be his partner for medical supply business. I kindly declined his offer. I will not be in business of profitting sick people at outrageous cost. It's against my belief. That's why I support Riders for Health and Doctors Beyond Borders.

**Foxrac** · 06-01-2012, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

What is so confusing? You set a price for the treatment.....I am asking how you decided on that price...

I don't understand your question that you asked further after I answered about $10,000.

It was my thought, that it.

**TXgolfer** · 06-01-2012, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

that's not what I asked. I'm just asking you for your opinion. why not $10,000? don't you agree that $143,000 is quite too excessive?

in your opinion, what do you feel the price of anti-venom treatment should cost you?

No idea...

**TXgolfer** · 06-01-2012, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

I don't understand your question that you asked further after I answered about $10,000.

It was my thought, that it.

And why do you think that? Just a guess?

**TXgolfer** · 06-01-2012, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

My friend and his family members are in medical business. The true cost of medical expense especially medical supplies is much less than the price printed on the bill. For ie, a pair of tylenol can cost you $140+ at hospital easy.

Why so high? because they can and the bill will get paid regardless.

And alot of times businesses will charge a high price for one item because they can in order to make up for a lack of profit elsewhere.

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My other friend asked me to be his partner for medical supply business. I kindly declined his offer. I will not be in business of profitting sick people at outrageous cost. It's against my belief. That's why I support Riders for Health and Doctors Beyond Borders.

Good on you then...

**Foxrac** · 06-01-2012, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

And why do you think that? Just a guess?

I gave up now.

It is getting more intense now.

I wish that our government is responsible to pay medical treatment for every citizens, also I'm not very fond of capitalism, especially on healthcare. It is very important for me to maintain my health.

**TXgolfer** · 06-01-2012, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

I gave up now.

It is getting more intense now.

I wish that our government is responsible to pay medical treatment for every citizens, also I'm not very fond of capitalism, especially on healthcare. It is very important for me to maintain my health.

How can government be responsible? Government doesn't have money. The only money government has access to is the money it takes from people. So, basically you are saying other people should be required to pay for your health care.

**TXgolfer** · 06-01-2012, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

I gave up now.

Oh ok that's cool.

You just gave a figure so I was curious as to how you decided on that number.

**Foxrac** · 06-01-2012, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

How can government be responsible? Government doesn't have money. The only money government has access to is the money it takes from people. So, basically you are saying other people should be required to pay for your health care.

From taxpayers, shares, bonds, monthly premium, money from commodities, etc to funding on healthcare.

**Jiro** · 06-01-2012, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

And why do you think that? Just a guess?

My guess? He used the price figure from this Norway guy.

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"I thought maybe $10,000," he said, noting that if he'd had the same treatment back home in Norway "it would have been free."

so I wonder.... why so high?

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Trydal agreed to let the hospital release a copy of the bill to 10News. In it there are two separate charges for antivenin croatalidfab. The first charge is for $102,440 and the second is for $25,610. That is a total of $128,050.

...

The largest portion of the charges was for antivenom, a very costly life-saving drug manufactured from snake venom. The patient required 10 units of the antivenom and a night in the Intensive Care Unit, which provides around-the-clock direct nursing supervision.

so let's see....

Hunter Serpentology / T.C.R.S.

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Cost may be a consideration when deciding on the treatment course of mild envenomations. The cost of Crotalidae Polyvalent Immune Fab (CroFab™) is $582.50 per vial.

http://surgery.uthscsa.edu/faculty/pubs/crotalid.pdf

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With regard to the cost of antivenin treatment, data were available for analysis in 64 of 75 patients treated with FabAV. The average hospital charge was $34,066, with the antivenin accounting for $24,875, representing 73% of the total hospital charges. The acquisition cost to the hospital per vial of FabAV was $1,063 and the patient charge was $2,416.

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Jiro Aparecium Deletrius Legil Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: The Soprano State Posts: 60,499	My friend and his family members are in medical business. The true cost of medical expense especially medical supplies is much less than the price printed on the bill. For ie, a pair of tylenol can cost you $140+ at hospital easy. Why so high? because they can and the bill will get paid regardless. My other friend asked me to be his partner for medical supply business. I kindly declined his offer. I will not be in business of profitting sick people at outrageous cost. It's against my belief. That's why I support Riders for Health and Doctors Beyond Borders. __________________ - Don't forget to buy Jiro's Special Edition Sunglasses for $19.95

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