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Unread 02-21-2012, 09:05 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Unread 02-21-2012, 09:08 AM   #32 (permalink)
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How do you express a complex argument using only vocabulary from stage 1 BSL, colours, directions, asking people their names? If you are stifled by lack of language skills you can't express anything you have not yet learned to express.
So, are you telling me you cannot speak, lipread nor use sign language? That you cannot use pen and paper, emails, texting? That you cannot draw a picture?

That you have no language at all? No way to express yourself whatsoever?
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Unread 02-21-2012, 09:19 AM   #33 (permalink)
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This is in the context of "Reasons I don't want to learn BSL" though. This is not "I cannot communicate with anyone ever by any means" this is "The reason I don't want to learn BSL is because I personally couldn't use it as an effective communication tool anyway"
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Unread 02-21-2012, 09:21 AM   #34 (permalink)
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This is in the context of "Reasons I don't want to learn BSL" though. This is not "I cannot communicate with anyone ever by any means" this is "The reason I don't want to learn BSL is because I personally couldn't use it as an effective communication tool anyway"
So, what's your alternative?
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Unread 02-21-2012, 09:25 AM   #35 (permalink)
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So, what's your alternative?
Astonishingly, given the title of the discussion, I am investigating Cued Speech.
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Unread 02-21-2012, 09:28 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Astonishingly, given the title of the discussion, I am investigating Cued Speech.
Ok, good luck.
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Unread 02-21-2012, 09:47 AM   #37 (permalink)
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So, what's your alternative?
Astonishingly, given the title of the discussion, I am investigating Cued Speech.
My concern here is that you've said that you're so fearful of making mistakes, that you're basically paralyzed by it. How will Cuing be different for you? While you're learning, and even once you're fluent you're going to make mistakes, people will get confused and need clarification etc just the same as using any Language or modal tool. We all make mistakes, it's part of being human. The thing is we need to make mistakes in order to learn - and making mistakes isn't "failing", it's learning.

More than anything else, it really sounds like you need to get some help to overcome this fear of being human and making mistakes.

If you're going to learn to cue from someone, then you'll be making mistakes in front of them, which is the idea, so they can correct you.

If you think Cuing is what you need, then really who cares about "research" or any thing else. You asked what we thought based on our experience and got our answers, but at the end of the day just because all of us think it's not really a great choice doesn't matter at all - it's your life and you have to live it.

If your friends, family and co-workers are willing to learn to cue, and use it frequently (to remember how, you'll all have to be cuing conversations daily) then go for it. Again, I'd recommend they learn the BSL or ASL ABCs as well, because it's going to be something you use too.

Just do what you need to do.
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Unread 02-21-2012, 11:04 AM   #38 (permalink)
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Astonishingly, given the title of the discussion, I am investigating Cued Speech.
People here were trying to help you. Your sarcasm wasn't needed.

Editing all your posts on the previous page was kind of pointless when the original posts were quoted by those trying to help you.

I wish you the best of luck in whatever you are trying to do.
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Unread 02-21-2012, 03:32 PM   #39 (permalink)
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what a comical thread.
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Unread 02-21-2012, 04:17 PM   #40 (permalink)
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I'm a late in life HoH. I am learning sign. And in doing so I'm also finding a bunch of wonderful new people who I am now lucky enough to call friends. Will all your friends learn? Probably not. But those who want to keep you in their lives will at least make the effort to learn a few basic signs and fingerspelling, if that's the direction you want to take.

And, BTW, I don't see how removing your posts helps anyone.
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Unread 02-22-2012, 06:36 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Hi RoseRodent. I don't know you, but reading this thread and your comments that remained gave me the impression that you suffer a huge amount of distress and shame when you make a mistake in front of people. This must be very painful for you and that level of anguish will not be easily removed. If it could be done by simply changing your attitude, I think you would have already done it. After all, you spent two years in a foreign country in an attempt to do so. I wonder if you have thought about discussing your difficulties with a caring and competent counsellor? A skilled counsellor could really help you. I have read about people who find themselves crippled by the need to get things right (perfectionism) and it is often linked to a sense of deep shame and dislike of themselves. This is not your fault but a result of a wide number of factors, many not under your control.

But as I said at the beginning - I don't know you and I could have got the wrong end of the stick from the comments I've read. But I'm wanting to give you good advice. Ignore it if it isn't.

Best wishes for your future,
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Unread 02-29-2012, 03:53 AM   #42 (permalink)
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There are some Cuers around in England so if you go on Facebook and look up "London Cue Club" - join us there. Also CS is called by different names in Europe and we look forward meeting you at Deaf Day at City Lit in London on Saturday 14th April.
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