What is "cued speech"? - Page 2

**deafskeptic** · 10-24-2011, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sallylou

Not all hearing people have phonic awareness. Even if Deaf/hoh people can develop some phonic awareness, it's not playing to their strengths. Whole word works better for both groups of people.

Isn't this an evil system of torture invented to torment grammar students?

i never thought of it that way.. but i think you're right.

jillio · 10-24-2011, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kitten

I just watched the link and I STILL don't know what I was watching.

LOL, that is the reaction across the board from the people this system is supposed to benefit!

jillio · 10-24-2011, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by faire_jour

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it is an attempt to make the english language less ambiguous when lipreading. It isn't sign. It is to help deaf kids learn english.

Well, in that case, it has not been shown, on any level, to be effective. So why is all of a sudden being resurrected?

**TWA** · 10-24-2011, 11:06 PM

I know several Deaf people who are strong ASL supporters but who still like to use cued speech at times and attend cued speech events. They would never think of it as a main form of communication or a language. It was a tool for them, and they appreciated it.

The demonizing of cued speech really gets old after a while.

Lily7 · 10-25-2011, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

I know several Deaf people who are strong ASL supporters but who still like to use cued speech at times and attend cued speech events. They would never think of it as a main form of communication or a language. It was a tool for them, and they appreciated it.

The demonizing of cued speech really gets old after a while.

That makes sense, I guess.

And maybe it wouldn't be demonized if it were widely known and accepted as an additional tool to sign language and NOT an option to substitute it. Unfortunately most of the videos I watched played the "we chose this instead of sign language" angle and not the "we chose tthis in addition to sign language" angle. Also it was fairly obvious a lot of parents chose CS to make their children function as hearing as possible. It is totally understandable why it is demonized.

CSign · 10-25-2011, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Lily7

Also it was fairly obvious a lot of parents chose CS to make their children function as hearing as possible. It is totally understandable why it is demonized.

Can you elaborate on that statement? In what ways do you mean, "function as hearing as possible"?

jillio · 10-25-2011, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TheWriteAlex

I know several Deaf people who are strong ASL supporters but who still like to use cued speech at times and attend cued speech events. They would never think of it as a main form of communication or a language. It was a tool for them, and they appreciated it.

The demonizing of cued speech really gets old after a while.

I don't think anyone is demonizing it as long as it is presented as a tool for oral cimmunication. After all, the purpose is to make the phonemes of spoken language more understandable. There really isn't even empirical support for using it as a tool for supporting literacy. Visual phonics has been found to be better. The system is not nearly as complicated. My only problem is when it gets represented as something it isn't and promoted for a use of which it was never intended.

jillio · 10-25-2011, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by CSign

Can you elaborate on that statement? In what ways do you mean, "function as hearing as possible"?

Ummm....making the phonemes of speech visable? Relying on audition? Spoken English bias?

posts from hell · 10-25-2011, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CSign

Can you elaborate on that statement? In what ways do you mean, "function as hearing as possible"?

Are you serious?

Sunshine · 10-25-2011, 01:06 AM

Maybe I not understand this so well...hold hand shape or whatever for mean certain sound not make know what sounds like. Not understand purpose.

jillio · 10-25-2011, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by sunny_signs

Maybe I not understand this so well...hold hand shape or whatever for mean certain sound not make know what sounds like. Not understand purpose.

Exactly. It is a visual representation of a sound, which really doesn't tell the person who can't hear the sound much information at all.

**Jiro** · 10-25-2011, 01:10 AM

ew. passive aggressiveness. disgusting.

Sunshine · 10-25-2011, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Exactly. It is a visual representation of a sound, which really doesn't tell the person who can't hear the sound much information at all.

This really not make sense. Who create this? Why?

Frisky Feline · 10-25-2011, 04:32 AM

copied naisho's

CSign · 10-25-2011, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Ummm....making the phonemes of speech visable? Relying on audition? Spoken English bias?

I'm aware of what Cued Speech is. Lily said, "to make their children function as hearing as possible". I asked Lily to elaborate with what she had intended by that comment. It can be perceived to have different meanings.

Some speech therapists use Cued Speech to help DHH children know/learn what sounds specific letters or blends make in an effort to assist with articulation. In other words, it can help with one's speech/articulation if they are familiar with the cues.

I was curious if Lily was referring to the speech aspect as, "making children as hearing as possible". If she (and whoever else reads this) views speech abilities in a DHH person who has the ability to develop it, as a bad thing.

CSign · 10-25-2011, 09:05 AM

I try not to assume a posters intent if I'm not clear. That's why I asked Lily to elaborate.

posts from hell · 10-25-2011, 09:06 AM

I think it's pretty obvious...

purplewowies · 10-25-2011, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by sunny_signs

This really not make sense. Who create this? Why?

It was created by Dr. R. Orin Cornett with the goal of improving reading ability/literacy.

Cued speech gives the different sounds that look the same on the lips different handshapes/movements. Some sounds that have different mouth movements use the same handshape or movement (like d and p or i and a).

CSign · 10-25-2011, 11:30 AM

"Cued Speech is a mode of communication based on the phonemes and properties of traditionally spoken languages. Cueing allows users who are deaf or hard of hearing or who have language/communication disorders to access the basic, fundamental properties of spoken languages through the use of vision."

National Cued Speech Association

dogmom · 10-25-2011, 11:52 AM

CSign · 10-25-2011, 11:53 AM

I don't support Cued Speech as a mode of communication, but I do support it's use as a teaching tool.

jillio · 10-25-2011, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by sunny_signs

This really not make sense. Who create this? Why?

A math professor at Gally. And he created it as a teaching tool. Problem is, he was a math professor, not a linguist.

jillio · 10-25-2011, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by CSign

I'm aware of what Cued Speech is. Lily said, "to make their children function as hearing as possible". I asked Lily to elaborate with what she had intended by that comment. It can be perceived to have different meanings.

Some speech therapists use Cued Speech to help DHH children know/learn what sounds specific letters or blends make in an effort to assist with articulation. In other words, it can help with one's speech/articulation if they are familiar with the cues.

I was curious if Lily was referring to the speech aspect as, "making children as hearing as possible". If she (and whoever else reads this) views speech abilities in a DHH person who has the ability to develop it, as a bad thing.

The answer to your original question is in my post that you quoted.

jillio · 10-25-2011, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CSign

I don't support Cued Speech as a mode of communication, but I do support it's use as a teaching tool.

Why?

jillio · 10-25-2011, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CSign

"Cued Speech is a mode of communication based on the phonemes and properties of traditionally spoken languages. Cueing allows users who are deaf or hard of hearing or who have language/communication disorders to access the basic, fundamental properties of spoken languages through the use of vision."

National Cued Speech Association

The National Cued Speech Association is attempting to revise a method that has no empirical support for effectiveness regarding the purpose for which it was intended, distort it as something it isn't nor was ever intended to be, and make money off it. They jumped on the bandwagon as soon as childhood implantation became more prevalent. They are just another oralist organization attempting to make a buck off implanted kids.

**Jiro** · 10-25-2011, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CSign

I don't support Cued Speech as a mode of communication, but I do support it's use as a teaching tool.

I'm sorry but I have to ask. It's been bothering me just as much as a mole bothered Austin Powers.

Why are you having trouble with "it's" and "its"?

Buffalo · 10-25-2011, 12:17 PM

I read the history of Cued Speech. (Cued Speech > History > Dr. R. Orin Cornett, Inventor of Cued Speech Passes) What grabs my attention is that in 1959, he found that many deaf people have below grade level reading skills. If he had bothered to find out why, he would have found it is because of oralism.

jillio · 10-25-2011, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Buffalo

I read the history of Cued Speech. (Cued Speech > History > Dr. R. Orin Cornett, Inventor of Cued Speech Passes) What grabs my attention is that in 1959, he found that many deaf people have below grade level reading skills. If he had bothered to find out why, he would have found it is because of oralism.

Exactly. And what does "below grade level" really mean? Grade level testing results are really not the black and white pronouncement that people seem to think they are.

dogmom · 10-25-2011, 12:36 PM

yes, this was touched on in the NCLB thread <"grade levels">

seems people can take an association "below grade level" and "deaf" and turn it around to make the comparison fit their agenda and their bias, when the correlation isn't really there in the first place

faire_jour · 10-25-2011, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

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Originally Posted by faire_jour

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it is an attempt to make the english language less ambiguous when lipreading. It isn't sign. It is to help deaf kids learn english.

Well, in that case, it has not been shown, on any level, to be effective. So why is all of a sudden being resurrected?

who is resurrecting it and when did it die?

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CSign Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Best Coast, USA Posts: 3,194	I don't support Cued Speech as a mode of communication, but I do support it's use as a teaching tool. deafdyke likes this.

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Buffalo Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,025	I read the history of Cued Speech. (Cued Speech > History > Dr. R. Orin Cornett, Inventor of Cued Speech Passes) What grabs my attention is that in 1959, he found that many deaf people have below grade level reading skills. If he had bothered to find out why, he would have found it is because of oralism. deafdyke likes this. __________________ “The problem is not that the (deaf) students do not hear. The problem is that the hearing world does not listen. “- Rev Jesse L. Jackson ( American Civil Rights Activist, Minister)

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TWA Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 5,374	I know several Deaf people who are strong ASL supporters but who still like to use cued speech at times and attend cued speech events. They would never think of it as a main form of communication or a language. It was a tool for them, and they appreciated it. The demonizing of cued speech really gets old after a while.

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CSign Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Best Coast, USA Posts: 3,194	I try not to assume a posters intent if I'm not clear. That's why I asked Lily to elaborate.

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CSign Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Best Coast, USA Posts: 3,194	"Cued Speech is a mode of communication based on the phonemes and properties of traditionally spoken languages. Cueing allows users who are deaf or hard of hearing or who have language/communication disorders to access the basic, fundamental properties of spoken languages through the use of vision." National Cued Speech Association

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dogmom Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 5,475	yes, this was touched on in the NCLB thread <"grade levels"> seems people can take an association "below grade level" and "deaf" and turn it around to make the comparison fit their agenda and their bias, when the correlation isn't really there in the first place