Originally Posted by AlleyCat

We even had a thread a couple years back asking CI users to post what they can hear. The majority were of those who were late-implanted and could still understand spoken language. I understand not all can (I think more don't than do), but there's quite a lot who do. It's on this board somewhere.

Originally Posted by jillio

"More hearing is better" is one of the most audist attitudes and statements around. If you are attempting to convince us that you aren't an audist, you are doing a piss poor job of it!

Originally Posted by jillio

If you really need to ask that question, you need to go back to Deafness 101 and start completely over.

Originally Posted by faire_jour

Wirelessly posted



it was sarcasm because you can't have it both ways. You can't say that spoken language is easily accessable to even the very late implanted, profoundly deaf from birth AND claim it is inaccessable and that all deaf kids require ASL 24-7. Those are opposing concepts.

Originally Posted by jillio

Exactly. And if one were to bother to check all the CI research out there, they will find that the group that receives most benefit from CI is the adventitiously deafened who had some speech skills prior to loosing their hearing.

Originally Posted by faire_jour

Wirelessly posted



it was sarcasm because you can't have it both ways. You can't say that spoken language is easily accessable to even the very late implanted, profoundly deaf from birth AND claim it is inaccessable and that all deaf kids require ASL 24-7. Those are opposing concepts.

Originally Posted by jillio

Then you need to practice your sarcastic technique. It comes across as ignorance.

It might help to review your reading comprehension skills as well. No one has said anything of the kind.

Originally Posted by faire_jour

Wirelessly posted



uh, yeah, of course. And then who? Those implanted very young.

Originally Posted by smithtr

FJ is very no evidence no said cochlear implant because, I review her FJ is seems on argue to debated on want!

Originally Posted by smithtr

FJ is very no evidence no said cochlear implant because, I review her FJ is seems on argue to debated on want!

Originally Posted by jillio

Yes, she will argue about anything. It is annoying.

Originally Posted by deafskeptic

That's an understatement

Originally Posted by smithtr

you means on confused that is correct?

Originally Posted by deafskeptic

Here's an example of what I mean by understatment:

suppose big earthquake happens. 3000k people die in it. Damage cost 1 trillion dollars.

Then John says that earthquake did some damage. What he said is an understatement. Most people think some damage means only few people died and damage wasn't too bad.

Earthquake did very bad damage because 3000k people died and there was a lot of damage. So to say earthquake only did some damage is understatement.

When I said it's an understatement, I was being sarcastic about FJ arguing all the time. I get annoyed by FJ because she will argue about anything. She argues so much that

Originally Posted by deafskeptic

Here's an example of what I mean by understatment:

suppose big earthquake happens. 3000k people die in it. Damage cost 1 trillion dollars.

Then John says that earthquake did some damage. What he said is an understatement. Most people think some damage means only few people died and damage wasn't too bad.

Earthquake did very bad damage because 3000k people died and there was a lot of damage. So to say earthquake only did some damage is understatement.

When I said it's an understatement, I was being sarcastic about FJ arguing all the time. I get annoyed by FJ because she will argue about anything. She argues so much that

Originally Posted by posts from hell

3000k, easier to say 3m?

Originally Posted by deafskeptic

3000k is still a lot of people. I thought 3000k would be a more realistic number than 3 million.

Originally Posted by posts from hell

They both the same

Originally Posted by deafskeptic

3000k is still a lot of people. I thought 3000k would be a more realistic number than 3 million.

Originally Posted by deafskeptic

Here's an example of what I mean by understatment:

suppose big earthquake happens. 3000k people die in it. Damage cost 1 trillion dollars.

Then John says that earthquake did some damage. What he said is an understatement. Most people think some damage means only few people died and damage wasn't too bad.

Earthquake did very bad damage because 3000k people died and there was a lot of damage. So to say earthquake only did some damage is understatement.

When I said it's an understatement, I was being sarcastic about FJ arguing all the time. I get annoyed by FJ because she will argue about anything. She argues so much that

Originally Posted by deafskeptic

3000k is still a lot of people. I thought 3000k would be a more realistic number than 3 million.

Originally Posted by deafskeptic

Are you reading three thousand as 3 million?

Originally Posted by posts from hell

ahhh.... k = thousand. 3,000 = 3 thousand. 3,000k = 3,000,000 = 3m Thats how I saw it.

Originally Posted by posts from hell

ahhh.... k = thousand. 3,000 = 3 thousand. 3,000k = 3,000,000 = 3m Thats how I saw it.

Originally Posted by deafskeptic

ah. I should have said 3k then. :p

Originally Posted by Audiofuzzy

And here we disagree.

For to babies to receive the most benefits from CI is to implants ASAP.
Any later, and you are missing the point.
As long as implantation does not interfere with learning ASL and having
and access to Deaf Culture, why would one be against that, is beyond me.

Or, rather, I know- it's a personal view based not in objectivity
but deeply rooted in personal early experiences.

You, Bebonang, had had a bad early experiences as a deaf person.
So did Shel.

Both of you because of that intensely dislike now anything that has to do with hearing, speech, oralism etc.
You love everything that has to do with deaf, Deaf and ASL because only there you finally, at last,
felt fully accepted, non -judged and fully understood.

You deny all that, but in fact every time we are discussing this subject your personal experiences come to surface and color your opinion whether you know it or not.

To the contrary, people who had positive experiences with hearing while growing up - they are more accepting toward CI than those who had negative experiences and were denied access to ASL and the Deaf ties.

Fuzzy

Originally Posted by smithtr

I aware it AG bell in strong on CI and deaf, reason just to deaf reason point! that is why on points serious! strong on debated! that is crazy on debates I already on befores on debates on research on alldeaf!

Originally Posted by faire_jour

Wirelessly posted



people who could not hear or understand spoken language their entire life and then were implanted as adults and no longer lipread? They can understand running spoken language with their backs turned or from behind a door, or over the phone?

Originally Posted by deafdyke

Why are you so preoccupied with that as the Gold Standard? Why do you see lipreading as a "crutch?" Besides, comprehension with a CI/HA has more to do with hearing people unconsciously modifying their speech patterns to make it easier for dhh people to understand them. It is VERY hard for
And you know what? I (and MANY other hoh...both functionally and audilogically hoh) can understand spoken language without speechreading ...but in CHUNKS...not nessarily with complex information, such as inflection or tone of voice beign used etc.