anlos09

maybe this has been asked before but here it goes.

Im pretty sure the majority of hearing people that knows sign its actually SEE instead of ASL. And I have met a few deaf that only knows SEE

So my question is, if your primary is ASL and you're signing with a person that signs SEE is there a difficulty in understanding each other?

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Not much of a difficulty. But it is more work on the person who knows ASL though trying to decipher the code that is known as SEE.

Google

I sign SEE because my primary language is English so it is only logical I sign SEE not French. When someone signs ASL to me, it is very clear. Mostly because they are using broken English. "me go store" or "store me go" is easily translated to "I'm going to the store." I don't actually translate that in my mind, I just understand.

With my friends who signs ASL, they have no problem understanding me. I believe it is because they can read a book. Just a logical thought.

shel90

ASL is not broken English. It is a separate language with its own syntax and grammar rules.

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Smithtr

I am experinece to ESL and ASL conflict to confused on seem on cultures I know aware it I am otherwise my experinece impressive asl and SEE I said many time cultures seem strong ASL

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Bottesini

I am pretty sure you are signing PSE and not SEE.

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Smithtr

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Reba

Good idea.

Smithtr

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Bottesini

I think so too.

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anlos09

I actually dont know what kind of sign i used to do, I was understood fine though. But I started taking lessons with a private tutor and Im starting college in a few weeks, so Im learning ASL. My question wasnt about me, i just read a comment on youtube where 2 people were arguing saying that people who use ASL dont understand SEE and vice versa. And I just wanted to know if that was true.

warpedpink

I cannot... I repeat, cannot, understand SEE. It's stupidly complicated. Especially when it's signed quickly!

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Reba

That's why they sometimes resort to PSE as a meeting ground.

jillio

Big misperception. ASL is not broken English.

jillio

That is a good idea.

jillio

No, it is because they are bilingual.

warpedpink

That's right.. It is its own language with an unique set of rules, grammar, and syntax. When other (spoken) languages are translated word-for-word, it isn't called broken English.

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jillio

Irritates me no end when I see or hear someone say that!

deafskeptic

SEE is just too awkward for signing so people always revert to PSE.

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Jiro

yes I can but it gets quite tedious down the road. with ASL - our convo would be cut in half or more. I sign in mixed ASL-PSE though.

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KarissaMann05

And ASL is not completely French, too.

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Google

Sure. That's why ASL uses English words.

BSL uses British rules, FSL uses French rules, JSL uses Japanese rules, and so on. ASL is the only one that uses American-English vocabulary and completely butchers up grammar. Ironically, ASL is derived from FSL which explains the horrid grammar structure.
You must not like to read a book.

GrendelQ

A horrid grammar structure? Different from the structure you are most familiar with doesn't equal horrid.

For the most part, ASL doesn't use "American-English" vocabulary at all (aside from what's fingerspelled). It uses ASL vocabulary. You interpret it into English to understand it. You could also interpret it into French or German or Mandarin to understand it. That doesn't mean it would use French or German or Mandarin vocabulary. Or English vocabulary.

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deafskeptic

Oh, I love to read but I hate seeing people signing in SEE. It's painful.

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Google

Explain why SEE and ASL shares many signs.

Only one logical explanation. ASL is supposed to be English.

Suggestion: Go to YouTube and pick out a FSL video. You'd notice grammar structure are strikingly similar. In fact, I know written French and the structure of ASL is remarkably similar.

GrendelQ

Huh? SEE uses ASL vocabulary, not English. ASL is not "supposed to be English." Just as French isn't "supposed to be English" just because you can translate it into English.

Are you at all familiar with the origins of ASL? Read up on it and you'll understand why FSL and ASL have similarities. Google it.

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Google

Haha, what you said is a contradiction.

SEE (Signing EXACT ENGLISH) uses English vocabulary and grammar. ASL uses English vocabulary sans grammar. If you met any old, old timers (like 80 year old deaf person) you can ask the person if he/she uses ASL. Then notice their grammar. It's so much like PSE that you guys like to call it. Old ASL uses English grammar but not today.

I know the origins, thank you.

GrendelQ

SEE is not a language, it's a code that uses ASL vocabulary + modified ASL handshapes to represent the English language.

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DeafCaroline

From the research I've done, it was my understanding that the first deaf schools in America did apply manually signed english and that this evolved over time as deaf kids incorporated their own signs from home into the language they were learning at school. It's still not broken english, it's an evolution of a language that evolved to a more natural organic form that's more intuitive for deaf people than the original manually signed english formalized by the first deaf schools.

Google

Therefore a language.