rockdrummer

Does anyone know where to find such a thing? I remember in one of my sign classes they played a video that was covering the Dolch words which I thought was very useful. Any help is appreciated.

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faire_jour

I thought that many of those words (the very early ones at least) don't have exact translations?

The list includes: a, is, it, to, am, are, be, an, and has to tell the difference between things that are signed the same like "him" vs "her", "his" vs "hers" vs "your"

Reba

Is this it?

Dolch Sight Word List

faire_jour

Yeah, those are the words, but he wants to know how to sign them.

jillio

Those signs would come from a SEE dictionary.

Anij

or just fingerspell them

Reba

Some of those words have signs, some don't.

It also depends on how they're being used. If you want the exact English word to be conveyed, it would be best to spell them. Otherwise, signed English signs (SEE) would fit most of them.

There are too many of them (over 200) to explain each one here and now.

rockdrummer

thanks I was not looking for an explanation of all of the words nor do I wish to fingerspell. I was hoping to find a resource that showed the signs for each of them be it in ASL or SEE.

Reba

How do you plan to use them? In conversation, or in an educational setting?

rockdrummer

Educational setting for myself.

Reba

I meant, are you using them to teach English literacy to students, or to sign conversationally with other signers.

Tousi

I'm pretty sure he means to teach himself...

Reba

ASL Dolch Words - 2nd

ASL Dolch Words: 1st Grade List

Dolch Word List

Have you tried Harris Communications?

Reba

Yes, but for what use? If he's going to sign with other adults he'll want to use signs differently than if he's using them for English literacy.

Most of the signs I saw on the list can be found in regular sign language dictionaries. The rest that don't have signs can be spelled. Of course, in ASL conversations, many of them wouldn't even be used, such as the articles and to be forms.

I hope someone with expertise in this area can provide the answers that he's seeking.

Tousi

My memory's so bad but I think for him and his little boy.

Reba

Ah, I see.

Maybe Shel or someone working in deaf ed has some resources.

Do you have any ideas?

Tousi

Not really....until RD joins in. He's been here for at least a couple of years now and I am not sure where he is with his signing....

Anij

The issue is that while some of the words on the various Dolch lists have "standard ASL equivalents" (ie "jump, play,call, because etc) just as many do NOT have a form in ASL (a, am, the, is,) or uses the sign sign (with a clarifier) for more than one English word (can/could , will/would etc)

It sounds like what you are asking for is a "word for word/concept for concept" translation between English and ASL - which simply doesn't exist because they are two different languages (just like there is no "word for word" translation between English & French, German & Spanish, Chinese & Yiddish etc)

This is the reason we are suggesting fingerspelling the words that don't have specific ASL signs (I, am, is, the, hers, his, there, was, etc). Fingerspelling these words not only reinforces them as "sight words" (ie words you can spell without sounding them out) but also allows them to be "dropped" into sentences while reading books etc and have them be easily identified.

If you could clarify exactly what the goal is for these word sets perhaps we could help more ...


Keep in mind that whenever you attempt to translate one language into another it's never going to be "word for word" because each language has it's unique aspects when it comes to forming sentence structure, creating timelines/tenses (past, present, future, etc) how pronouns (or equivalents) are used how gender and neuter is applied (in French, Spanish etc).

Anij

The only thing I can think of is SEE I/II (specifically used for this application ie. learning parts of English speech) - but I don't think that would help either if I'm interpreting the actual question/intent of the OP correctly.


I only know a very very few people who use or and teach SEE I/II - and they only use it to specifically teach English. I don't know a single person who uses SEE I/II as their primary means of communication ... even if they learned it in school before learning ASL.

rockdrummer

Bingo!!

rockdrummer

thanks to you all for your input. I really do appreciate it. Sometimes with signing and communicating with my son I feel like I am between a rock and a hard place or in this case ASL and SEE. I need to communicate with my son but he also needs to learn English. The problem is that the focus of the schools is English literacy which I agree with in part. What I am learning is that I need both ASL and SEE so in ASL conversations I may not need much of this but in SEE conversations and to facilitate English I would. I hope that makes sense.

Reba

Got it.

Probably all you need is a good signed English dictionary. Harris Communications has a selection of those.

deafgal001

why not some mouthing?

There's a research on it right now:Sign language speakers' hands, mouths operate separately

personally, I think reading aloud helped alot of hearing people, so I do wonder if cuing aloud as deaf people read help them as well. Just for reading so he knowledge that the "is" "an" "ing" is there.

But really, he need to interact with people on the computer that is for his age if you want him to have good literacy skills. Like club penguin for 8-10 years old (as long as he is able to use his own chat).

GrendelQ

I'm suspecting I'll be encountering this as well RD. I'm already finding that I'm shifting a bit from ASL to signed English word order when reading stories to Li and hoping she'll start making the connections between the sign and the written words.

KristinaB

I will have to do the same here at home. I really want to learn to sign, but since the family won't learn, I will just sign in spoken word order so I don't forget the signs.

Anij

RD - I'd see if the Hoh/d/Deaf children's support services in your area has some people who can sit with you one on one (or as a family WITH the hoh/Deaf child present) and give you some techniques on how to teach literacy skills, read to etc to your child in a way that not only teaches reading and English but also ensure comprehension.


One way that I've seen taught as a means of teaching reading at a number of mini-clinics I've attended on the topic that really makes sense, and works is:

Make sure that the child can see the signers hands AND the written text on each page at the SAME time. This requires sitting slightly differently than hearing parents read to their hearing children - with small children using pillows is helpful either to prop up the child - or the book

Make sure that you always connect the words on each page with the signs AND any pictures. This allows the child to connect the Words with the Signs as well as with any corresponding images... this forms a better connection for visual learners (ie they may see the word "Apple" and then in their mind "overlap" a picture of "an apple" so when they see one, they remember the other ... adding the sign for APPLE to this creates three connections to the single "concept" of apple

The first time through a sentence/paragraph/page (for young children's books) sign the text using as close to English Order as possible ... add fingerspelling or borrow SEE signs to show parts of speech such as - a, the, as, it, etc as well as word endings - ing, ed, est, etc . Be aware that the child is likely NOT going to understand exactly what is being said during THIS FIRST read....

Then once the sentence(s)/paragraph have been read in "in ASL English" (my phrase) using SEE or finger spelling to clarify English grammar concepts - THEN start discussing in ASL what is happening on the page (related to the sentence). Have the child as involved in "helping explain the sentence" as possible.

Once the sentence/paragraph has been signed "in ASL English" then discussed - then resign the sentence/paragraph again using ASL - this way the child truly understands in a number of ways what the sentence/paragraph says.

Once this has been done - consider signing the sentence/paragraph again in the "ASL English" ... and if possible ask you child to HELP sign along with you (or point to the English words while you sign each one. This allows them to connect the sentence they "know" (from ASL, and discussion) with the ENGLISH version of the sentence that is being signed in "ASL English"


Although I don't know anyone who uses SEE for their everyday communication (even if they learned it 15+years ago in school) I do know a number of Hoh/Deaf parents who use it specifically to teach their children how to read. They keep all the ASL signs for objects etc (instead of using the SEE) however use English word order, initialize signs as needed/preferred, and use the SEE word endings etc to ensure that when reading the various grammar rules of English are able to be seen and taught to the children. ASL is used to clarify meanings, discuss what might be going on visually on the page etc - however when reading the actual story "ASL English" (my term) is used. If the child wants to use "ASL English" to describe or elaborate on what is happening in the story then that's great as well... it demonstrates that the child is learning the rules of English


This certainly isn't the "only way", however having learned and used this system at these mini reading clinics I can say that it really really makes sense and seem to me to be one of the best ways to teach English, ensure comprehension and engage with the child when reading ... because you're telling the story to the child, talking about the story and then re-telling the story together


I hope that might be useful

GrendelQ

(thank you, Anij!)

CSign

This is an older thread, but I just wanted to clarify that all of the sight words are in the SEE dictionary. My understanding is that SEE 1 (Signed Exact English) is not used much anymore. SEE 2 (Signing Exact English) is still used for different purposes, including teaching DHH children English. That us why it was created in the first place. We use SEE with our son, and it has been very beneficial for him. His language skills at this point surpass his age. We will be transitioning to ASL as he gets older and has a solid language base in English.

jillio

She will, and probably already has made that symbolic connection. But it doesn't have anything to do with word order.

MidnightSun

WOW..You are the kind of parent every deaf child should have ...You always have been... I understand and totally agree with you...he does need English literacy...I know you will do what ever it takes..smile...Rock on...M