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Anij · 03-02-2012, 11:06 PM

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How would you sign 'course' in the food sense? As in a three-course meal.

Without knowing the context, in general, you could sign:

FOOD, SERVED/BROUGHT, SEQUENCES THREE

Then, if more details are needed, you can enumerate (in the order they are served):

1-SALAD, SOUP FINISH

2-MEAT, POTATOES, VEGETABLE FINISH

3-DESSERT FINISH

I might also state at the beginning that it was a "fancy (formal) dinner" then explain it had three different plates, first ______, then 2nd ______ then 3rd _______ finish.

As we've said again and again, proper, full context is everything in ASL (and yet we never seem to get it here ... sigh)

**Jiro** · 03-02-2012, 11:12 PM

gah! help!

I had trouble conveying this message to my friend - "If you call me (via VP) and I didn't answer, you can leave a message."

I had trouble with "leave a message". How do you sign that in ASL???

Anij · 03-02-2012, 11:20 PM

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gah! help!

I had trouble conveying this message to my friend - "If you call me (via VP) and I didn't answer, you can leave a message."

I had trouble with "leave a message". How do you sign that in ASL???

Why not just say that if you don't answer - wait (don't hang up) because the VP has an video answering machine they can explain (fs)message and you'll call them back, or email etc.

**Jiro** · 03-02-2012, 11:25 PM

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Why not just say that if you don't answer - wait (don't hang up) because the VP has an video answering machine they can explain (fs)message and you'll call them back, or email etc.

that's my point. how do I convey "leave a message" in ASL?

Tousi · 03-02-2012, 11:31 PM

You just say "leave" as in dropping off/depositing, etc....a message(signed same as "sentence").

**Jiro** · 03-02-2012, 11:36 PM

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You just say "leave" as in dropping off/depositing, etc....a message(signed same as "sentence").

Anij · 03-02-2012, 11:38 PM

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If you want to make 100% sure they understand then email/text them as well and just say

"I wanted to make sure you know, if I don't answer VP right away, don't hang up because there is a video answering machine that will allow you to leave a (signed etc) message!

Journey · 03-03-2012, 01:27 AM

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You just say "leave" as in dropping off/depositing, etc....a message(signed same as "sentence").

Interesting and good to know. I have signed it "leave" + "information" in the past. Now I can be more accurate.

Tousi · 03-03-2012, 04:51 AM

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Interesting and good to know. I have signed it "leave" + "information" in the past. Now I can be more accurate.

No, what you used (information) is just as good if not better....

**Reba** · 03-03-2012, 02:05 PM

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Interesting and good to know. I have signed it "leave" + "information" in the past. Now I can be more accurate.

If you've been getting your messages, then it's been working.

**KristinaB** · 03-03-2012, 02:32 PM

I can't seem to find this anywhere and have it look right. I checked lifeprint.com and it's not there and tghe one at aslpro.com doesn't look like what I have seen.

If a person sneezes, I usually say "Bless You", but how would I sign it?

**Jiro** · 03-03-2012, 02:32 PM

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Interesting and good to know. I have signed it "leave" + "information" in the past. Now I can be more accurate.

ah yes. I did think of using "leave" sign but I couldn't remember the one for "leave" something because at that time, the only "leave" sign I had in mind was "leave home".

I was very brain-dead at that time cuz I was awake for more than 24 hours

**Jiro** · 03-03-2012, 02:42 PM

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I can't seem to find this anywhere and have it look right. I checked lifeprint.com and it's not there and tghe one at aslpro.com doesn't look like what I have seen.

If a person sneezes, I usually say "Bless You", but how would I sign it?

lol my friend always does that to me. it's... hmmmm.... it's bit similar to "don't care" sign but it goes downward to your chest and then outward.

"don't care" sign is just outward from your nose.

kellycat · 03-03-2012, 02:55 PM

The people around here use a sign that starts with both "a" hands near the mouth and move out and forward while opening the hands, palms down. If you go to aslpro.com, and look under religious signs, it is like a hybrid of Bless 1 and Bless 2. Hand shapes like 1, but symmetry like 2. Probably regional variations. I'm in WI, and I have discovered many of our signs are not the national norm.

Journey · 03-03-2012, 04:24 PM

I still have not figured out how to do multiple quotes in one message so I have to respond the old-fashioned way - using names ;-).

Thanks Tousi, at times (most times!), my ASL vocabulary seems so limited that I have to make use of whatever I have at-hand (no pun intended haha) to try and get my point across. It's comforting to know that sometimes my limited choice is sometimes a good one :-).
Reba, I can usually get my message across (umm again no pun intended ha) in ASL but sometimes it's just pure luck, sometimes it's the recipients skill at understanding/familiarity with my attempts and sometimes it's actual accuracy on my part. The latter is awesome but often fleeting in stressful situations, bah!
Jiro, no need to explain, I am more than familiar with dead-brain syndrome, even after a full 8 hours of sleep haha.

**Reba** · 03-03-2012, 08:43 PM

1. Use the BLESS sign as shown on the aslpro general dictionary.

2. With B-hand, fingers up, palm left, in front of face, go down, then left, then right, like making the sign of the cross.

Lily7 · 03-05-2012, 06:59 PM

What is the sign for "fluent", or if there is no sign for that word, how would you sign the concept of it? I would like to know how to say "I am not fluent in sign language, only conversational", for example.

I wondered if I would use the signs for "exact" or "perfect". Or maybe initialize that sign with "F", would that work?

**Reba** · 03-05-2012, 07:08 PM

Same as SMOOTH.

You can see FLUENT/SMOOTH on signingsavvy.com.

Anij · 03-05-2012, 08:11 PM

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We also use the sign for "SKILL", with appropriate facial grammer.

**Reba** · 03-05-2012, 09:12 PM

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We also use the sign for "skill", with appropriate facial grammer.

Yes, that would also work, as in "He's a skilled signer."

On the other end, we use the AWKWARD sign for someone who's not a skilled signer. (Or, to be blunt, the LOUSY sign gets used.)

kellycat · 03-06-2012, 09:18 PM

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What is the sign for "fluent", or if there is no sign for that word, how would you sign the concept of it? I would like to know how to say "I am not fluent in sign language, only conversational", for example.

I wondered if I would use the signs for "exact" or "perfect". Or maybe initialize that sign with "F", would that work?

Around here (language weirdness center of the ASL universe, Wisconsin) most of the time this is how I see the sign "perfect"...with an F handshape.

As for fluent, it depends on what you mean. Are you talking about the rate/pace/smoothness of the language? Or do you mean the overall ability and large vocabulary with good grasp of grammar type of fluency? Both are distinct meanings of the word in linguistic circles. The first would seem to fit the signs for smooth/awkward, as posted above. The second would fit with the sign for skill, also posted above.

Anij · 03-06-2012, 10:56 PM

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Around here (language weirdness center of the ASL universe, Wisconsin) most of the time this is how I see the sign "perfect"...with an F handshape.

We use the "F" handshape here for PERFECT as well.

Lily7
One thing that's really important to remember, especially for those just starting ASL, is that "random initialization" isn't a good idea, especially if you aren't already fluent in the language and able to understand how to correctly manipulate signs to carry different meanings.

More importantly, just because 2 or more signs are almost identical aside from using different handshapes (letters for example), doesn't mean that it is at all related in meaning.

For example - use the general movement used for "PERFECT" but replace the "F" handshapes with "1", "C", "D", "L", "V" and with some minor additional variations* these are 6 totally unrelated signs (one of which will make you blush if you use it without knowing)

It would be very easy for a student to think these would all be the same topical group, or related someway (well... umm "D" and "V" might be lol) but in reality they aren't at all.

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For us ASLers ... I realize with these examples there are some subtle angle changes, single tap contact vs double tap - so they aren't "identical" just similar. For a beginning student however, all 6 look almost identical because the students are learning how to reading subtle movement etc shifts in signs - much the way a pre-reader/early reader will have more trouble recognizing similar shape letters like "f/t", "g/j", "d/b", "D/B", i/l etc versus letters that look totally different like "a/h", "w/k", "s/x" etc.

**Reba** · 03-07-2012, 08:51 AM

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We use the "F" handshape here for PERFECT as well.

I use that also but the movement isn't the same as the traditional PERFECT/EXACT sign which uses the modified X hands. Is that also what you use?

I tried to find a video example of how I do the F hand PERFECT on aslpro, signingsavvy, and lifeprint but none of them had it. Maybe it's not as universal as I thought. It's also the way hearing people indicate that's something's "just right," sometimes with one hand. It might not be a true ASL sign but it is in use.

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One thing that's really important to remember, especially for those just starting ASL, is that "random initialization" isn't a good idea, especially if you aren't already fluent in the language and able to understand how to correctly manipulate signs to carry different meanings.

True dat! Can be hazardous.

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...For example - use the general movement used for "PERFECT" but replace the "F" handshapes with "1", "C", "D", "L", "V" and with some minor additional variations* these are 6 totally unrelated signs (one of which will make you blush if you use it without knowing)

It would be very easy for a student to think these would all be the same topical group, or related someway (well... umm "D" and "V" might be lol) but in reality they aren't at all....

I must be missing something here. Which hand movements are you using in these examples?

Anij · 03-07-2012, 08:46 PM

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I must be missing something here. Which hand movements are you using in these examples?

I'm wondering if it's a regional thing ...

For the "PERFECT", meaning similar to "exactly", or "precisely right": I know versions that are similar, but different.

One, like at ASLPro starts with a circular movement, then contact.

The other, eliminates the initial circular movement, and has the "f" handshapes come together (similar to "MEET"), with the contact point being the thumb&indexes of both hands.

Using the second version, the general movement used (at least where I live) would be similar, but not identical to what's used for "LICENSE", "CERTIFICATE", "MEET", "DATE", "EQUAL" meaning fair (bent "B" version) etc. (the "V", single or double tap version would get a young person in trouble at school, or with their mommy)

As I mentioned - I'm totally aware that the movements for each of these are not identical, but I thought they'd be similar enough for a beginning ASL student to explain the pitfalls of deciding to initialize a sign, hoping the different letter will prompt the observer to think "a word like ____ but starts with D instead"

Did that help, or just make things more confusing lol.

Grayma · 03-07-2012, 09:05 PM

ASL Music Video: All I Want by Damon Timm - YouTube

Would somebody help me with the sign at 1:13- she has a one hand to her chest, and the other hand is a sort of flat claw, going off to the side.

I also could use help with the sign used about 1.22 here- left hand is an s shape, and dominant hand is approximately like it would be to sign touch or feel. If her hand was flat, that would be touch, right?

I love this video, it seems very clever to me. As I understand it- she starts using SEE and is almost obliterated by the words. Then she switches to ASL, and changes the lyrics, asking to be accepted, really accepted for who she is, deaf and equal. At least, I think that's the gist of it.

Journey · 03-07-2012, 09:51 PM

I'm going to take a shot at this Grayma but no guarantees I am right, others who are more ASL fluent will jump in here soon I'm sure :-).

1:13 - the one hand on her chest is indicating that she, alone, is deaf while there are many other hearing people (the 'clawed' hand is a "classifier" indicating many people or things).
1:22 - she's been there time and time again or time and time again she has wondered.

?

**Reba** · 03-08-2012, 01:14 PM

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I'm wondering if it's a regional thing ...

The PERFECT that I use is both F-hands, fingertips up, palm orientation forward, dominant hand slightly higher, with one short, sharp movement straight forward. I can't find a video clip for it, so it might not be widespread.

The PERFECT shown on aslpro and signingsavvy is also used here.

The EXACT shown on signingsavvy is the same that we use for "exact."

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For the "PERFECT", meaning similar to "exactly", or "precisely right": I know versions that are similar, but different.

One, like at ASLPro starts with a circular movement, then contact.

The other, eliminates the initial circular movement, and has the "f" handshapes come together (similar to "MEET"), with the contact point being the thumb&indexes of both hands.

I've seen those.

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Using the second version, the general movement used (at least where I live) would be similar, but not identical to what's used for "LICENSE", "CERTIFICATE", "MEET", "DATE", "EQUAL" meaning fair (bent "B" version) etc. (the "V", single or double tap version would get a young person in trouble at school, or with their mommy)

The versions of EXACT/PERFECT that are used here are all vertical movements; the examples you give in the above paragraph (LICENSE, CERTIFICATE, etc.) are all horizontal movements, so that's what threw me.

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Did that help, or just make things more confusing lol.

**Reba** · 03-08-2012, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Grayma

ASL Music Video: All I Want by Damon Timm - YouTube

Would somebody help me with the sign at 1:13- she has a one hand to her chest, and the other hand is a sort of flat claw, going off to the side.

I also could use help with the sign used about 1.22 here- left hand is an s shape, and dominant hand is approximately like it would be to sign touch or feel. If her hand was flat, that would be touch, right?

I love this video, it seems very clever to me. As I understand it- she starts using SEE and is almost obliterated by the words. Then she switches to ASL, and changes the lyrics, asking to be accepted, really accepted for who she is, deaf and equal. At least, I think that's the gist of it.

I keep trying to play the youtube but it stops at :20 and skips to the end!

Maybe it's the solar flares today. (Our power/internet were down for a couple hours.) I'll try again later.

**Reba** · 03-08-2012, 01:24 PM

I got to see the video up to just past 1:00, which is all the SEE stuff (wow, she even uses the "-ing"). Maybe it's just slow buffering. I should get to see the whole thing soon.

Journey · 03-08-2012, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

I got to see the video up to just past 1:00, which is all the SEE stuff (wow, she even uses the "-ing"). Maybe it's just slow buffering. I should get to see the whole thing soon.

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Tousi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15,730	You just say "leave" as in dropping off/depositing, etc....a message(signed same as "sentence"). Reba likes this.

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Anij Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 2,087	Wirelessly posted (Blackberry Bold ) If you want to make 100% sure they understand then email/text them as well and just say "I wanted to make sure you know, if I don't answer VP right away, don't hang up because there is a video answering machine that will allow you to leave a (signed etc) message! __________________ Hoh/Deaf ~ +120db deaf right , mild/mod flux left & APD English & ASL ...PAH!! Ignorance is NOT Bliss

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KristinaB New SDIT Deacon Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Land of the backstroke Posts: 13,764	I can't seem to find this anywhere and have it look right. I checked lifeprint.com and it's not there and tghe one at aslpro.com doesn't look like what I have seen. If a person sneezes, I usually say "Bless You", but how would I sign it? __________________ Taking life one day at a time.

03-03-2012, 02:55 PM	#254 (permalink)
kellycat Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 155	The people around here use a sign that starts with both "a" hands near the mouth and move out and forward while opening the hands, palms down. If you go to aslpro.com, and look under religious signs, it is like a hybrid of Bless 1 and Bless 2. Hand shapes like 1, but symmetry like 2. Probably regional variations. I'm in WI, and I have discovered many of our signs are not the national norm. Last edited by kellycat; 03-04-2012 at 04:19 PM. Reason: Better accuracy

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03-03-2012, 04:24 PM	#255 (permalink)
Journey Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 976	I still have not figured out how to do multiple quotes in one message so I have to respond the old-fashioned way - using names ;-). Thanks Tousi, at times (most times!), my ASL vocabulary seems so limited that I have to make use of whatever I have at-hand (no pun intended haha) to try and get my point across. It's comforting to know that sometimes my limited choice is sometimes a good one :-). Reba, I can usually get my message across (umm again no pun intended ha) in ASL but sometimes it's just pure luck, sometimes it's the recipients skill at understanding/familiarity with my attempts and sometimes it's actual accuracy on my part. The latter is awesome but often fleeting in stressful situations, bah! Jiro, no need to explain, I am more than familiar with dead-brain syndrome, even after a full 8 hours of sleep haha.

03-03-2012, 08:43 PM	#256 (permalink)
Reba Granny Terp Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 39,108	1. Use the BLESS sign as shown on the aslpro general dictionary. 2. With B-hand, fingers up, palm left, in front of face, go down, then left, then right, like making the sign of the cross. KristinaB likes this.

03-05-2012, 06:59 PM	#257 (permalink)
Lily7 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Norman, OK Posts: 326	What is the sign for "fluent", or if there is no sign for that word, how would you sign the concept of it? I would like to know how to say "I am not fluent in sign language, only conversational", for example. I wondered if I would use the signs for "exact" or "perfect". Or maybe initialize that sign with "F", would that work? __________________ Twitter Goodreads Facebook available - send PM

03-05-2012, 07:08 PM	#258 (permalink)
Reba Granny Terp Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 39,108	Same as SMOOTH. You can see FLUENT/SMOOTH on signingsavvy.com.

03-05-2012, 08:11 PM	#259 (permalink)
Anij Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 2,087	Wirelessly posted (Blackberry Bold ) We also use the sign for "SKILL", with appropriate facial grammer. __________________ Hoh/Deaf ~ +120db deaf right , mild/mod flux left & APD English & ASL ...PAH!! Ignorance is NOT Bliss Last edited by Anij; 03-06-2012 at 10:58 PM.

03-07-2012, 09:05 PM	#265 (permalink)
Grayma Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 958	ASL Music Video: All I Want by Damon Timm - YouTube Would somebody help me with the sign at 1:13- she has a one hand to her chest, and the other hand is a sort of flat claw, going off to the side. I also could use help with the sign used about 1.22 here- left hand is an s shape, and dominant hand is approximately like it would be to sign touch or feel. If her hand was flat, that would be touch, right? I love this video, it seems very clever to me. As I understand it- she starts using SEE and is almost obliterated by the words. Then she switches to ASL, and changes the lyrics, asking to be accepted, really accepted for who she is, deaf and equal. At least, I think that's the gist of it.

03-07-2012, 09:51 PM	#266 (permalink)
Journey Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 976	I'm going to take a shot at this Grayma but no guarantees I am right, others who are more ASL fluent will jump in here soon I'm sure :-). 1:13 - the one hand on her chest is indicating that she, alone, is deaf while there are many other hearing people (the 'clawed' hand is a "classifier" indicating many people or things). 1:22 - she's been there time and time again or time and time again she has wondered. ?

03-08-2012, 01:24 PM	#269 (permalink)
Reba Granny Terp Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 39,108	I got to see the video up to just past 1:00, which is all the SEE stuff (wow, she even uses the "-ing"). Maybe it's just slow buffering. I should get to see the whole thing soon.

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