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ElaineV · 04-23-2012, 05:55 PM

How do you sign Mardi Gras/ Fat Tuesday/ Carnival?

purplewowies · 04-23-2012, 08:57 PM

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EDIT: And also "Sometimes we wear our special Korean outfits." I can think of a couple ways to sign it, but none feels right.

Can anybody still help me with this one? I got the others figured out (I was able to ask him, since the deadline is apparently midnight tonight (that's two hours)), but I didn't have time to ask him this one, too, and my other questions about the story were more pressing.

I'm sure I'll figure out some way to sign it if I don't get a response, but I figured I'd try one more time.

MDCodeRedFreak · 04-23-2012, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

To convey someone is heartbroken, you can use various combinations of signs and facial expressions to show extreme sorrow, agony, grief or despair. One that I use is the twisting motion of GRIEF in front of the heart. Example:

TOUCH-HEART (with a stabbing motion) GRIEF

I've seen that sign, yes - the TOUCH-HEART is used with the bent middle finger while all the other fingers were spread wide open. The physical heart and the sign BREAK is never seen by myself.

sbtc2233 · 04-24-2012, 07:11 PM

How would one sign "landlord"
Manager?

Tousi · 04-24-2012, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sbtc2233

How would one sign "landlord"
Manager?

Just simply "LL".

Tousi · 04-24-2012, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sbtc2233

How would one sign "landlord"
Manager?

Just simply "LL".

P.S. Tilt the wrist down and then the "LL's"

sbtc2233 · 04-26-2012, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

Just simply "LL".

P.S. Tilt the wrist down and then the "LL's"

Thanks for the help!

**amylynne** · 05-02-2012, 10:53 AM

The signs for saying that you should do something, or have to do something, or need to do something, these are all the same, right? Maybe different facial expressions?

I've been in a few situations where I really wanted to say "You shouldn't have to..." Like maybe the person is being forced to work overtime without being paid for it, so they do have to, but it seems wrong, and I want to say that I think they shouldn't have to. Like expressing emotional support in the way of saying I don't agree with the people forcing them etc.

When I imagine how to sign this expression "You shouldn't have to" it always seems awkward. (Plenty of the signing I do with Deaf people, I'm very certain, is terribly awkward, and is only understood because they can figure it out, not because it's proper ASL. But this seems further out there, like I probably won't get the idea across.)

Anyway, I know I can combine the "not" with the "should" sign, but still it feels like I'm kind of using the same sign twice in a row, and it seems like I'm going down the wrong road. Can anyone steer me right?

Thanks!

kellycat · 05-06-2012, 05:43 PM

I have been on a quest to find some semblance of the conditional mood in ASL...it just doesn't exist.

So "would" and "should" and "could"...nope.

Like I tell my students, if the two languages lined up perfectly, they'd be the same language. People in one part of the world came up with a way to express something they felt the need to convey. People in another part of the world came up with a way to express a similar need. And they didn't consult each other. In English we intoduce ourselves saying "My name is _____." In Spanish, word-for-word it comes out "I call myself______". In ASL it can be "Me name ________". All express the same IDEA but use different ways of phrasing.

So there is no exact sign for "would" or "should"...but you can express the idea of "You should go" by signing "you need go" (along with right facial expressions to indicate if you're saying someone really should go and not miss something or if you're kicking them out and they gotta go now.

The more languages you see/hear/learn, the more it gets easier to let go of the way things are phrased in your native language and just accept how the other language does things. But I still want a way to sign the conditional mood.

**amylynne** · 05-06-2012, 07:14 PM

Kellycat- Thanks so much for addressing my question. So I guess I just have to come at the conversation from a completely different angle. Like in my example above, I'd just say something like "wow, I think it's wrong that they make you do that, I don't agree with them, you deserve better" or something along those lines. (I realize this is still in English, but at least it's English I have a better chance of getting into ASL.)

MissLady · 05-07-2012, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by kellycat

I have been on a quest to find some semblance of the conditional mood in ASL...it just doesn't exist.

So "would" and "should" and "could"...nope.

So there is no exact sign for "would" or "should"...but you can express the idea of "You should go" by signing "you need go" (along with right facial expressions to indicate if you're saying someone really should go and not miss something or if you're kicking them out and they gotta go now.

The more languages you see/hear/learn, the more it gets easier to let go of the way things are phrased in your native language and just accept how the other language does things. But I still want a way to sign the conditional mood.

Umm... I beg to differ with you. You can say would/should/could. Would is usually glossed as the sign WILL. There's an English sign that's a W-->D for would (essentially an intialized Will sign). Not used very often in these parts, but I do see it. Should is the same sign as Need, just with more emphasis. Really all depends on the NMS's and Facial Expression. Need around here is an "x" that is tapped whereas Must/should/have-to is an "x" that only taps one time, kinda dramatically. Could is the sign "can" done twice, at least around here.

Conditionals are definitely possible in ASL. Remember that the words above are modals, not conditional. There is actually a conditional sentence type in ASL. They typically start with IF (whatever is anticipated that could happen) HAPPEN....(whatever the desired outcome is). Example: IF you clean your room, THEN (happen in ASL) you can go to the party tomorrow.

With all due respect, I'm not sure where you are in your ASL journey, but I strongly suggest going to some kind of formal ASL classes, if only for the linguistic components. These types of linguistic questions, which are fairly challenging, are taught there. When taught by Deaf teachers, these kinds of linguistic conundrums can be completely clear.

And I completely agree with you, sometimes you just need to go for the concept. I think too many people learning ASL these days think that English word= ASL sign for every single word in the world. Just not true.

**amylynne** · 05-07-2012, 09:03 AM

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With all due respect, I'm not sure where you are in your ASL journey, but I strongly suggest going to some kind of formal ASL classes, if only for the linguistic components. These types of linguistic questions, which are fairly challenging, are taught there. When taught by Deaf teachers, these kinds of linguistic conundrums can be completely clear.

I think that part was directed toward me? Sorry if I thought wrong, but I'll respond. I am taking classes at the Deaf school here at night. ASL 2 is just finishing now, and I'll start ASL 3 in the fall. (all deaf teachers) In the meantime, I'm trying to get as much practice as I can with people at the local Deaf club, so these questions come up for me. I really appreciate your posting about this - everything (including disagreements!) are helpful. Thanks!

kellycat · 05-08-2012, 12:35 PM

I think it was meant for me. I must not have typed my response clearly, because the points you wrote isn't contradictory to what I meant...what I was saying was that the English word "would" doesn't have a direct translation to ASL as its own sign. You can't sign word-for-word "I would go to the party..." or " That was what I meant. Because the conditional mood in English is formed by using the word "would" (I would go, he would want, we would sleep) I had to dig deep to find some irregular verbs in English that use it, could and should are the best I could come up with, although as you mentioned, these are more sign-able through NMM, etc.

The conditional mood, as I'm using the term, is different from the conditional sentences you listed. I teach Spanish so I tend to reach for those terms when labeling or explaining grammar concepts. I was talking more about general linguistic/grammar things that apply to many language. I had forgotten about the conditional sentences that you mention (If ____, then ____.) Totally different type of "conditional" for my grammar brain. (Conditional sentence vs. Conditional Mood)

I hope this makes sense, I'm at work and people keep coming in and talking to me which disrupts my no-doubt absolutely brilliant train of thought.

(hee hee)

Thank you for your advice, I have taken formal ASL classes in addition to having a pretty large number of signers (Deaf and hearing) in my social circle, and have tried to study the more picky grammar concepts. That's the kind of nerd I am. I pester the (Deaf) ASL teachers I work with for grammar tips and explanations all the time. Maybe I can find an advanced course somewhere around here. I'm in a big enough city it's easy to find beginner classes, but the highest level I've seen around here is 3, and the nearest ITP is like 1.5-2 hours away, although they do offer advanced classes in ASL linguistics.

MDCodeRedFreak · 05-10-2012, 11:45 PM

What is the sign for "crypt" (like an underground graveyard typically in a mansion)?

CSign · 05-10-2012, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MDCodeRedFreak

What is the sign for "crypt" (like an underground graveyard typically in a mansion)?

I wonder if that word might just be finger spelled?

**Jiro** · 05-11-2012, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MDCodeRedFreak

What is the sign for "crypt" (like an underground graveyard typically in a mansion)?

for me - I'd sign the word grave (which is same as cemetery/graveyard/etc) - Sign for GRAVE | ASL Sign Language Video Dictionary

and since you're specifically talking about a crypt... an underground graveyard inside mansion... describe it just like that. there are several ways to do it.

big house. in. basement. *point* cemetery.

MDCodeRedFreak · 05-11-2012, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

for me - I'd sign the word grave (which is same as cemetery/graveyard/etc) - Sign for GRAVE | ASL Sign Language Video Dictionary

and since you're specifically talking about a crypt... an underground graveyard inside mansion... describe it just like that. there are several ways to do it.

big house. in. basement. *point* cemetery.

Hmm since there are no specific sign for that - and ASL signs represent concepts ....

You mean like the left C with the right bent, face-down U "inserting" into the left C? Although that's more like a morgue though (ick, I know ... I've seen it).

How about this conceptual sign for that crypt - the left forearm (representing the ground) with the right face-down U "inserting" under the forearm (basement)? Aggh I dunno. I know I can't just make up signs like that out of the whim, but still ... I know there are some conceptual signs out there that's not specific to every word, you know?

Oh - and "mausoleum" (above-ground grave) - like the right U on top of the left hand?

**Jiro** · 05-11-2012, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by MDCodeRedFreak

Hmm since there are no specific sign for that - and ASL signs represent concepts ....

You mean like the left C with the right bent, face-down U "inserting" into the left C? Although that's more like a morgue though (ick, I know ... I've seen it).

How about this conceptual sign for that crypt - the left forearm (representing the ground) with the right face-down U "inserting" under the forearm (basement)? Aggh I dunno. I know I can't just make up signs like that out of the whim, but still ... I know there are some conceptual signs out there that's not specific to every word, you know?

Oh - and "mausoleum" (above-ground grave) - like the right U on top of the left hand?

keep it simple. don't think too hard. you can either just fingerspell it as "crypt" or... simply sign it like what I described above. all you gotta do is "draw a picture" and describe it.

a sign for words like grave, crypt, graveyard, etc. is pretty much same thing. you just gotta add more description to it like big house (mansion) and underground and we can easily figure out what you're trying to say. if some people are clueless, well they're clueless anyway... just like some hearing people may not have heard of the word "crypt" or never knew there's such thing like a crypt in basement

MDCodeRedFreak · 05-11-2012, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

keep it simple. don't think too hard. you can either just fingerspell it as "crypt" or... simply sign it like what I described above. all you gotta do is "draw a picture" and describe it.

a sign for words like grave, crypt, graveyard, etc. is pretty much same thing. you just gotta add more description to it like big house (mansion) and underground and we pretty much would understand what you're trying to say. if some people are clueless, well they're clueless anyway... just like some hearing people may not have heard of the word "crypt" or never knew there's such thing like a crypt in basement

Lol yeah, good point. Thanks!

The reason I asked is b/c I was telling a friend about the old HBO show "Tales From The Crypt" (1989 to 1996) and I bought the complete set of DVDs last year - it's still my fave show along with NBC's Friends and a few others.

**Reba** · 05-11-2012, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MDCodeRedFreak

Lol yeah, good point. Thanks!

The reason I asked is b/c I was telling a friend about the old HBO show "Tales From The Crypt" (1989 to 1996) and I bought the complete set of DVDs last year - it's still my fave show along with NBC's Friends and a few others.

In that case, you should spell it out because it's part of a title. If someone asks what does "crypt" mean, then you can explain that with signs and classifiers.

AlleyCat · 05-11-2012, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

keep it simple. don't think too hard. you can either just fingerspell it as "crypt" or... simply sign it like what I described above. all you gotta do is "draw a picture" and describe it.

a sign for words like grave, crypt, graveyard, etc. is pretty much same thing. you just gotta add more description to it like big house (mansion) and underground and we can easily figure out what you're trying to say. if some people are clueless, well they're clueless anyway... just like some hearing people may not have heard of the word "crypt" or never knew there's such thing like a crypt in basement

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Originally Posted by MDCodeRedFreak

Lol yeah, good point. Thanks!

The reason I asked is b/c I was telling a friend about the old HBO show "Tales From The Crypt" (1989 to 1996) and I bought the complete set of DVDs last year - it's still my fave show along with NBC's Friends and a few others.

Jiro's explanation is good and would work.

**Jiro** · 05-11-2012, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MDCodeRedFreak

Lol yeah, good point. Thanks!

The reason I asked is b/c I was telling a friend about the old HBO show "Tales From The Crypt" (1989 to 1996) and I bought the complete set of DVDs last year - it's still my fave show along with NBC's Friends and a few others.

ah yes. for the title of show... yea you finger-spell it... exactly as what Reba said.

What I'd do is this - "STORY(and then fingerspell T-A-L-E-S). FROM. T-H-E. GRAVE (and then fingerspell C-R-Y-P-T)." when you sign STORY, you have to mouth the word as TALES and then fingerspell it. same for CRYPT.

I know it sounds quite tedious and confusing but of course... once you get a hang of it, it's like 2nd nature. You are of course free to sign it in any way you want. What I just described above is how I do it. My friends and I are movie fanatics so that's how I learned to talk about movies in ASL.

raqs loki · 05-15-2012, 12:39 AM

Mermaid? I've tried watching ASL videos about The Little Mermaid, etc but it always seems to be fingerspelled. My instructor says she doesn't know because it's not used often (which I thought she'd say). I thought maybe it could be FISH WOMAN and she says it's possible.

**Jiro** · 05-15-2012, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by raqs loki

Mermaid? I've tried watching ASL videos about The Little Mermaid, etc but it always seems to be fingerspelled. My instructor says she doesn't know because it's not used often (which I thought she'd say). I thought maybe it could be FISH WOMAN and she says it's possible.

or make your own name sign for Mermaid if you want to get creative!

MDCodeRedFreak · 05-15-2012, 02:20 AM

^ That could be FISH WOMAN. Same with a merman - FISH MAN.

Not the same as "fisherman" which in this case would be FISHING (the sign for that is throwing an imaginary fishing rod) and MAN.

dertyhoez · 07-05-2012, 09:47 AM

Ok, so, I've seen this gloss of a sign a few times, and I'm having trouble figuring out what it means. It's "ORANGE-THROAT". I thought it could be the sign for when you express or witness an embarrassing action ("5" hand to manual "S" hand on throat)? Maybe I'm way off, but some help would definitely be appreciated. Thanks so much.

**Reba** · 07-05-2012, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dertyhoez

Ok, so, I've seen this gloss of a sign a few times, and I'm having trouble figuring out what it means. It's "ORANGE-THROAT". I thought it could be the sign for when you express or witness an embarrassing action ("5" hand to manual "S" hand on throat)? Maybe I'm way off, but some help would definitely be appreciated. Thanks so much.

The closest gloss I can think of right now is VERKLEMPT or ALL-CHOKED-UP.

It's not really ORANGE at the throat because the palm orientation is facing the throat, and the fingertip orientation is upward at the start, not sideways.

dertyhoez · 07-05-2012, 11:55 AM

That sounds like it, but the context just isn't making sense to me. Here's an example:

ORANGE-THROAT: "Sex" - YouTube

At the end it says, "Turn on your ASL eyes and you'll notice the ASL-impaired ORANGE-THROAT themselves all the time!". Thanks, Reba!

**Reba** · 07-05-2012, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dertyhoez

That sounds like it, but the context just isn't making sense to me. Here's an example:

ORANGE-THROAT: "Sex" - YouTube

At the end it says, "Turn on your ASL eyes and you'll notice the ASL-impaired ORANGE-THROAT themselves all the time!". Thanks, Reba!

I clicked on your link but the video clip showed a hearing girl talking to a couple guys about girls scalping her. Is that the right video? It doesn't seem to fit your description.

dertyhoez · 07-05-2012, 05:56 PM

Oh, no. The sign isn't being used in there, I just sent the video as an example of where I've seen the gloss "ORANGE-THROAT". The quote I wrote down was in the video's description box. If you click "show more" it appears. I'm just trying to show you as much as I can about the context of the gloss so I can figure out what this darn sign is and what it means. It's eating me alive to not know! Haha.

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amylynne likes you best Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 299 Blog Entries: 1	The signs for saying that you should do something, or have to do something, or need to do something, these are all the same, right? Maybe different facial expressions? I've been in a few situations where I really wanted to say "You shouldn't have to..." Like maybe the person is being forced to work overtime without being paid for it, so they do have to, but it seems wrong, and I want to say that I think they shouldn't have to. Like expressing emotional support in the way of saying I don't agree with the people forcing them etc. When I imagine how to sign this expression "You shouldn't have to" it always seems awkward. (Plenty of the signing I do with Deaf people, I'm very certain, is terribly awkward, and is only understood because they can figure it out, not because it's proper ASL. But this seems further out there, like I probably won't get the idea across.) Anyway, I know I can combine the "not" with the "should" sign, but still it feels like I'm kind of using the same sign twice in a row, and it seems like I'm going down the wrong road. Can anyone steer me right? Thanks!

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kellycat Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 155	I have been on a quest to find some semblance of the conditional mood in ASL...it just doesn't exist. So "would" and "should" and "could"...nope. Like I tell my students, if the two languages lined up perfectly, they'd be the same language. People in one part of the world came up with a way to express something they felt the need to convey. People in another part of the world came up with a way to express a similar need. And they didn't consult each other. In English we intoduce ourselves saying "My name is _____." In Spanish, word-for-word it comes out "I call myself______". In ASL it can be "Me name ________". All express the same IDEA but use different ways of phrasing. So there is no exact sign for "would" or "should"...but you can express the idea of "You should go" by signing "you need go" (along with right facial expressions to indicate if you're saying someone really should go and not miss something or if you're kicking them out and they gotta go now. The more languages you see/hear/learn, the more it gets easier to let go of the way things are phrased in your native language and just accept how the other language does things. But I still want a way to sign the conditional mood.

05-06-2012, 07:14 PM	#310 (permalink)
amylynne likes you best Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 299 Blog Entries: 1	Kellycat- Thanks so much for addressing my question. So I guess I just have to come at the conversation from a completely different angle. Like in my example above, I'd just say something like "wow, I think it's wrong that they make you do that, I don't agree with them, you deserve better" or something along those lines. (I realize this is still in English, but at least it's English I have a better chance of getting into ASL.)

05-08-2012, 12:35 PM	#313 (permalink)
kellycat Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 155	I think it was meant for me. I must not have typed my response clearly, because the points you wrote isn't contradictory to what I meant...what I was saying was that the English word "would" doesn't have a direct translation to ASL as its own sign. You can't sign word-for-word "I would go to the party..." or " That was what I meant. Because the conditional mood in English is formed by using the word "would" (I would go, he would want, we would sleep) I had to dig deep to find some irregular verbs in English that use it, could and should are the best I could come up with, although as you mentioned, these are more sign-able through NMM, etc. The conditional mood, as I'm using the term, is different from the conditional sentences you listed. I teach Spanish so I tend to reach for those terms when labeling or explaining grammar concepts. I was talking more about general linguistic/grammar things that apply to many language. I had forgotten about the conditional sentences that you mention (If ____, then ____.) Totally different type of "conditional" for my grammar brain. (Conditional sentence vs. Conditional Mood) I hope this makes sense, I'm at work and people keep coming in and talking to me which disrupts my no-doubt absolutely brilliant train of thought. (hee hee) Thank you for your advice, I have taken formal ASL classes in addition to having a pretty large number of signers (Deaf and hearing) in my social circle, and have tried to study the more picky grammar concepts. That's the kind of nerd I am. I pester the (Deaf) ASL teachers I work with for grammar tips and explanations all the time. Maybe I can find an advanced course somewhere around here. I'm in a big enough city it's easy to find beginner classes, but the highest level I've seen around here is 3, and the nearest ITP is like 1.5-2 hours away, although they do offer advanced classes in ASL linguistics.

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raqs loki Registered User Join Date: May 2012 Location: midwestern US Posts: 3	Mermaid? I've tried watching ASL videos about The Little Mermaid, etc but it always seems to be fingerspelled. My instructor says she doesn't know because it's not used often (which I thought she'd say). I thought maybe it could be FISH WOMAN and she says it's possible.

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dertyhoez Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 11	Ok, so, I've seen this gloss of a sign a few times, and I'm having trouble figuring out what it means. It's "ORANGE-THROAT". I thought it could be the sign for when you express or witness an embarrassing action ("5" hand to manual "S" hand on throat)? Maybe I'm way off, but some help would definitely be appreciated. Thanks so much.

07-05-2012, 11:55 AM	#328 (permalink)
dertyhoez Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 11	That sounds like it, but the context just isn't making sense to me. Here's an example: ORANGE-THROAT: "Sex" - YouTube At the end it says, "Turn on your ASL eyes and you'll notice the ASL-impaired ORANGE-THROAT themselves all the time!". Thanks, Reba!

07-05-2012, 05:56 PM	#330 (permalink)
dertyhoez Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 11	Oh, no. The sign isn't being used in there, I just sent the video as an example of where I've seen the gloss "ORANGE-THROAT". The quote I wrote down was in the video's description box. If you click "show more" it appears. I'm just trying to show you as much as I can about the context of the gloss so I can figure out what this darn sign is and what it means. It's eating me alive to not know! Haha.