The Talking Deafie - Page 7

BecLak · 11-09-2010, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by paperclip

I only communicate orally. It is the only way I know how. I've been told I sound German. I have a moderate sloping to severe hearing loss - but I wear hearing aids. I basically can only hear vowels - so I am not sure if I fit the deaf criteria. I was in speech therapy until I was 18. My sign is limited.

You fit the deaf criteria, you are more deaf than hearing.

I can only hear vowels as well (with one ear apparently). I'm severely-deaf, not severely HoH.

**Jiro** · 11-09-2010, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by souggy

Wirelessly posted

Why troll him about it? He blogged about it, and told us how much he could hear.

I'm not interested in how much he can hear. I'm asking for clarification especially his post #172. Is he deaf or not? or is there another label that he prefers?

kokonut · 11-09-2010, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by faire_jour

I believe it. I have met several deaf people who don't "sound deaf", and I am totally willing to be honest about it.

Absolutely. There is a distinct difference from those with a deaf voice than those who do not. I just happen to pick up a southern accent when I moved to Georgia. My sister who is younger than I am picked it up even more than me while my older brother did not. Pretty strange.

Oceanbreeze · 11-09-2010, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

It's a nice rhetorical title, isn't it?

well - I'm curious to know if any one of you is Oral Deaf. By that - it means you can have a verbal communication (with or without deaf accent) with any individual - regardless of your hearing status. If you can speak only few words..... sorry but you don't count.

me - yes I am Oral Deaf and I'm severe-profound.

I know two oral deafies. Both of which used to post here.

kokonut · 11-09-2010, 11:59 PM

YouTube - Clarke School for the Deaf: A Sound Future

.....with captions, of course.

BecLak · 11-10-2010, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by KristinaB

At my audiology appointment this morning, the lady was amazed at my speech. Even though I am total deaf, I have very clear speech and no deaf accent. Her explanation was that since my mother was always very particular with diction and clear speech while growing up, that I am still concious of that. Also since I had 44 years of hearing and good speech, my "vocal chords know what to do". That was the oddest and lamest reason I ever heard, but it works for me.

I know now why my MIL doesn't think I am deaf. When driving at night, my son will talk to me from the back seat. I answer him and she thinks I can hear him. What she doesn't know is that he has a little light and I can read his lips in the rear-view mirror.

Very clever! We've learned a few tricks along the way haven't we.

**Jiro** · 11-10-2010, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

YouTube - Clarke School for the Deaf: A Sound Future

.....with captions, of course.

nice caption.... and it's old video... there's no excuse for corporations to not broadcast their online videos w/ CC

dogmom · 11-10-2010, 09:04 AM

one thing I saw in there that bothered me was how one of the administrators/staff was saying the more listening and spoken language the students have, the more they can un-lock the power of intellect...open them up to possibilities around them ....
seems to me to be equating intellectual ability and overall potential with speech-

kokonut · 11-10-2010, 10:08 AM

I'd say it's a matter of repetition in the listening and speaking aspect in acquiring more and more of the English language, and in greater complexity and understanding. Hearing people are constantly immersed in the spoken language since birth so they tap into that power right from the beginning.

Grummer · 11-10-2010, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

Yes, it is called "tough love."

no, its called domestic lol

Grummer · 11-10-2010, 01:22 PM

im a talking deafie, profoundly deaf since birth, like a lot of youse already mentioned, I too have some trouble with foreigners

Grummer · 11-10-2010, 01:34 PM

deaf accent is subjective, and it would have strong potential to be a subject of high controversy especially when we start to discuss why is that 'deaf accent' and where's the line cut for 'where /why are we able to conceal it deliberately or not'...hmmm

**Bottesini** · 11-10-2010, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Grummer

no, its called domestic lol

BecLak · 11-10-2010, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dogmom

one thing I saw in there that bothered me was how one of the administrators/staff was saying the more listening and spoken language the students have, the more they can un-lock the power of intellect...open them up to possibilities around them ....
seems to me to be equating intellectual ability and overall potential with speech-

You picked up that one too....it bothered me as well.

Speedy Hawk · 11-12-2010, 11:23 AM

Hmm, didn't like that comment in video either. Bit about profoundly Deaf use cell phones. I wonder how many can really do that? I only met one person can in UK with CI, rest of them can't.

kokonut · 11-12-2010, 11:42 AM

Pediatric Cochlear Implants in Prelingual Deafness: Medium and Long-Term OutcomesIMAJ • VOL 12 • FEBRUARY 2010

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Beadle et al. (5) studied 30 children at 5 and 10 years after implantation. They used the CAP index (Category of Auditory Performance) with a scale of 0 to 7. The score -0 implies no awareness of environmental sounds, and 7, the ability to talk on the telephone with a familiar speaker. Scores improved from 0 at pre-implantation to a mean category of 6 at 5 years, and 7 at 10 years. The study also examined SIR (Speech Intelligibility Rating), with 1 implying unintelligible speech, usually using manual communication, up to a score of 5 = intelligible speech. Close to half the patients scored 4 and 5 (intelligible speech for an average listener). Median speech intelligibility rating was 3 at 5 years, and 4 at 10 years, also demonstrating that patients' speech continues to improve between 5 and 10 years. Uziel et al.(6) thoroughly studied the 10 year outcome of 82 children. Seventynine percent reported that they could use the phone.

http://www.ima.org.il/imaj/ar10feb-10.pdf

In that study, most implanted kids implanted early on were able to use the phone down the road.

deafgal001 · 11-12-2010, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Pediatric Cochlear Implants in Prelingual Deafness: Medium and Long-Term OutcomesIMAJ • VOL 12 • FEBRUARY 2010

http://www.ima.org.il/imaj/ar10feb-10.pdf

In that study, most implanted kids implanted early on were able to use the phone down the road.

And deaf kid can see better down the road too: Research reveals deaf adults see better than hearing people

but it does make me wonder, about the phone issues as we are not getting any younger, will they be able to use it for the rest of their life? who knows?

kokonut · 11-12-2010, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by deafgal001

And deaf kid can see better down the road too: Research reveals deaf adults see better than hearing people

but it does make me wonder, about the phone issues as we are not getting any younger, will they be able to use it for the rest of their life? who knows?

Technology continues to improve.

**Jiro** · 11-12-2010, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Technology continues to improve.

and the social aspect continues to remain same

**GrendelQ** · 11-12-2010, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy Hawk

Hmm, didn't like that comment in video either. Bit about profoundly Deaf use cell phones. I wonder how many can really do that? I only met one person can in UK with CI, rest of them can't.

My 4YO talks with me by cell phone, every day. With grandparents, we tend to use speaker phone, to avoid a lot of long distance repeating with HOH on the other end of the line.

**Daredevel7** · 11-12-2010, 01:49 PM

A family member of mine can speak through the phone. He's had the CI since he was 6-ish. However, I cannot talk on the phone. I've had the CI for only 2 years. I doubt it would happen with me. I am just too used to being deaf.

Hohtopics · 11-13-2010, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

A family member of mine can speak through the phone. He's had the CI since he was 6-ish. However, I cannot talk on the phone. I've had the CI for only 2 years. I doubt it would happen with me. I am just too used to being deaf.

With some practice you might. One thing you can do is take some auditory verbal therapy lessons. Cause I've had some lessons since I had my CI and could see the improvements in my speech comprehension skills when I first started and to the way we left off at some of the last sessions. I'm currently taking a break from it at the moment but may go back to it next year.

deafgal001 · 11-13-2010, 07:29 AM

CI can be a lifetime auditory therapy if you make it to be. Or you can relax and don't expect perfection. This doesn't mean you should stop mapping though. That's my advice to you as a ci user since 2003.

rraja · 11-13-2010, 09:15 AM

I'm not sure if I have a "deaf accent" in the right sense of the word. Speech therapists and my parents strongly drilled me in proper pronunciation, to the point where I'm at the other extreme of stressing consonants too much and talking too fast. Or is that another flavor of deaf accents? haha

I'm a bit paranoid of people not understanding me, but it's not a problem usually. (Unless they're bluffing and I don't realize it?)

Speedy Hawk · 11-13-2010, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GrendelQ

My 4YO talks with me by cell phone, every day. With grandparents, we tend to use speaker phone, to avoid a lot of long distance repeating with HOH on the other end of the line.

That nice for her talk to her grandparents. The only CI people I met are teens or older, I haven't met younger kids with CI. They probably more likely to use phone than teens.

**Daredevel7** · 11-15-2010, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by HHIssues

With some practice you might. One thing you can do is take some auditory verbal therapy lessons. Cause I've had some lessons since I had my CI and could see the improvements in my speech comprehension skills when I first started and to the way we left off at some of the last sessions. I'm currently taking a break from it at the moment but may go back to it next year.

I already do, once a week. I definitely see improvements. I can get by with a simple conversation without lipreading which is FAR more than I ever could do with HAs, but if you're talking about talking on the phone with a random person..... that's asking for a lot for someone who has been profoundly deaf since birth.

deafgal001 · 11-15-2010, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

I already do, once a week. I definitely see improvements. I can get by with a simple conversation without lipreading which is FAR more than I ever could do with HAs, but if you're talking about talking on the phone with a random person..... that's asking for a lot for someone who has been profoundly deaf since birth.

One thing that confuse me is that when I can understand a word from a person next to me, without lipreading, I can't pick up the same word on the phone. This happened to many of relatives. I can understand words when I talk to them personally, but just can't do it over the phone. I guess it is true, telephone is tinny.

***naisho*** · 11-15-2010, 08:42 AM

Interesting, the phone may be what sets apart hoh/late deafened/ci users. I feel more like kind of an old man who has recently lost hearing when it comes to phone conversations with people who speak too softly. I've got to ask "what? can you repeat that?" usually to fast talking or quiet women, as it is in frequencies I am not good at.

But for all others, I've grew up somewhat profound (if unilateral counts) and always have had this applied to me as I grew up. Don't get me wrong as I am not fond of always using the phone.. but I can use it when necessary. I just find that I can't multitask as well as hearing do, even with a bluetooth adapter.

It may be that you are seeing the mouth shapes that help you determine the word. Over time of using the phone, like anything else, you get better at it.

Porete · 11-15-2010, 12:44 PM

Yes, I'm oral deaf with severe to profound loss. I can't really tell if I have a deaf accent, but friends tell me there's no real difference between my voice and everyone else's. I've never had any speech therapy so I think it's down to hearing aids + mainstream education.

***naisho*** · 11-15-2010, 12:48 PM

Agreed with some point in there, Tsundre. I too never had any therapy or speech classes, the new audiologist I ran into not too long ago was shocked to have me. She asked how my speech was "so good", that I don't sound "like other deafs with my level of hearing loss". I said uh, I grew up oral and went to mainstream school.

11-10-2010, 10:08 AM	#189 (permalink)
kokonut Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 15,348	I'd say it's a matter of repetition in the listening and speaking aspect in acquiring more and more of the English language, and in greater complexity and understanding. Hearing people are constantly immersed in the spoken language since birth so they tap into that power right from the beginning. __________________ Before AD. After AD. "Restriction on free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us." -Thurgood Marshall, former Supreme Court Justice "... turns out they are telling the truth."

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Grummer Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In the Batcave Posts: 9,512	im a talking deafie, profoundly deaf since birth, like a lot of youse already mentioned, I too have some trouble with foreigners __________________ "Problems cannot be solved at the same level of awareness that created them." Albert Einstein

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Grummer Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In the Batcave Posts: 9,512	deaf accent is subjective, and it would have strong potential to be a subject of high controversy especially when we start to discuss why is that 'deaf accent' and where's the line cut for 'where /why are we able to conceal it deliberately or not'...hmmm __________________ "Problems cannot be solved at the same level of awareness that created them." Albert Einstein

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11-10-2010, 09:04 AM	#188 (permalink)
dogmom Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 5,471	one thing I saw in there that bothered me was how one of the administrators/staff was saying the more listening and spoken language the students have, the more they can un-lock the power of intellect...open them up to possibilities around them .... seems to me to be equating intellectual ability and overall potential with speech-

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Speedy Hawk Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: England Posts: 816	Hmm, didn't like that comment in video either. Bit about profoundly Deaf use cell phones. I wonder how many can really do that? I only met one person can in UK with CI, rest of them can't.

11-12-2010, 01:49 PM	#201 (permalink)
Daredevel7 Adrenaline Junky Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 4,341	A family member of mine can speak through the phone. He's had the CI since he was 6-ish. However, I cannot talk on the phone. I've had the CI for only 2 years. I doubt it would happen with me. I am just too used to being deaf.

11-13-2010, 07:29 AM	#203 (permalink)
deafgal001 Banned Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,542	CI can be a lifetime auditory therapy if you make it to be. Or you can relax and don't expect perfection. This doesn't mean you should stop mapping though. That's my advice to you as a ci user since 2003.

11-13-2010, 09:15 AM	#204 (permalink)
rraja Registered User Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 76	I'm not sure if I have a "deaf accent" in the right sense of the word. Speech therapists and my parents strongly drilled me in proper pronunciation, to the point where I'm at the other extreme of stressing consonants too much and talking too fast. Or is that another flavor of deaf accents? haha I'm a bit paranoid of people not understanding me, but it's not a problem usually. (Unless they're bluffing and I don't realize it?)

11-15-2010, 08:42 AM	#208 (permalink)
*naisho* Forum Disorders M.D.,Ph.D Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: 127.0.0.1 Posts: 6,161	Interesting, the phone may be what sets apart hoh/late deafened/ci users. I feel more like kind of an old man who has recently lost hearing when it comes to phone conversations with people who speak too softly. I've got to ask "what? can you repeat that?" usually to fast talking or quiet women, as it is in frequencies I am not good at. But for all others, I've grew up somewhat profound (if unilateral counts) and always have had this applied to me as I grew up. Don't get me wrong as I am not fond of always using the phone.. but I can use it when necessary. I just find that I can't multitask as well as hearing do, even with a bluetooth adapter. It may be that you are seeing the mouth shapes that help you determine the word. Over time of using the phone, like anything else, you get better at it.

11-15-2010, 12:44 PM	#209 (permalink)
Porete Registered User Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 18	Yes, I'm oral deaf with severe to profound loss. I can't really tell if I have a deaf accent, but friends tell me there's no real difference between my voice and everyone else's. I've never had any speech therapy so I think it's down to hearing aids + mainstream education.

11-15-2010, 12:48 PM	#210 (permalink)
*naisho* Forum Disorders M.D.,Ph.D Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: 127.0.0.1 Posts: 6,161	Agreed with some point in there, Tsundre. I too never had any therapy or speech classes, the new audiologist I ran into not too long ago was shocked to have me. She asked how my speech was "so good", that I don't sound "like other deafs with my level of hearing loss". I said uh, I grew up oral and went to mainstream school.