jillio

I like to throw quarters at them!

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jillio

Just remember not to generalize it to an entire population.

Frisky Feline

I rather dark chocolate pudding instead of mud.

jillio

Care to point out exactly where I said that, or are you simply making outrageous generalizations again?

shel90

Right Botts! We can put them on tables and enjoy the show. Then nobody would have to worry about whether to use ASL or spoken English.

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jillio

Deaf kids love chocolate pudding!

jillio

Yep. Smiles are the same in both languages.

Mountain Man

This has certainly been an interesting thread.

shel90

Be careful with the generalizing. Not all deaf kids like chocolate! Lol

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Frisky Feline

LOL at shel and jillio. tsk tsk

jillio

What????? A deaf kid told me he liked chocolate!!! How can it not be true?

jillio

We strive to entertain, MountainMan!

shel90

RD, I sincerely hope you have a good time at the deaf social this Sat.

FJ, I understand that you love and respect ASL but it seems like you have been leaning towards the oralism views than ASL lately. Just an observation that I have noticed lately. Iam glad you didn't abandon ASL completely.

Mountain Man..awesome that you are studying to become an interpreter.

Jillio, it is good to see you back here on AD..I still think about the scary experience you had.

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jillio

Thanks, girl! I'm getting back to normal slowly but surely. (Can you tell?)

Lighthouse77

Nah, they are just happy that a hearing parent is brought their deaf children into deaf culture.

you know, My church is always happy to see unsaved teens in their church (they pay special attention to them , giving them youth activities and such, than the older members)

I think all kids are cute.

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jillio

Reminds me of an old joke!

Man to pastor: "Do you save bad girls?"
Pastor: Why, yes. Of course we do.
Man: "Good. Next time you get one, would you save her for me?"

Sorry, lighthouse, I couldn't resist!

Lighthouse77

True story: My mom actually made me and my sister get our dad out in a bar when he decided to hang out and drink. I guess she wanted him to remember his 5 kids and embarrass him in front of his friends that he is spending too much time in bars than his family.

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Jiro

llllooooolllllllll *talking to myself* I will have a pure thought... I will think pure...

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Lighthouse77

It take a hearing person to correct another hearing person. Rarely they ever listen to deaf people if we tell them that it isn't always true.

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jillio

Exactly. Just another example of the fact that they discount the deaf person's experience and what they say is true about their culture.

dogmom

I am very - VERY - far from fluent in ASL, but I tend to be naturally very visually-oriented person, which helps me in my learning.....I just try my best. At the Deaf socials I have been to, I follow protocol for event, knowing is DEAF event first. Even if I stumble along, when I am with Deaf people, I sign. I also find that as I become more involved, I remember more signs from before. I find that I am thinking more in ASL grammar structure as I go along and my friend helps when she reminds me - less English

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I feel you Dogmom. I just went to my first Deaf social and did the same. If I knew a sign, I would sign it. If not, I would ask what the sign was for that word. The guy I was signing too worked with me and asked me to lip or speak as I signed. At first I was worried about “speaking with volume on” to someone that was deaf, but it became apparent really fast that he was reading my lips AS I signed so that he would know what I was attempting to get across as I screwed up. He could then correct me knowing what I was attempting to sign. I had read about the do’s and do not’s WAY before going, so I tried going with volume off, but one of the guy’s there said I was stiff as a board and was hard to read (I would not doubt it, as I was very nervous).

My best friend came with me and knows even less of sign, but is supporting me with my learning since I started having hearing issues. He knows about 60-70 signs, but we are both new to ASL. As I would talk to my friend, I would sign what words I knew. I am guessing it would have been hard to read us since it was every other word or less, but I did what I knew and everyone seemed ok with it.

shel90

You know what? I noticed that in real life too. It seems like if a deaf person tells a hearing person that he/she is wrong about something (can be in general not just about Deaf culture), the hearing person tells the deaf person that they dont know anything but then later on, another hearing person tells the hearing person the same thing and that hearing person accepts that he/she is wrong. I see that soooo many times out there and it does feel degrading sometimes.

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Lighthouse77

yes, that's why I said it. It was from my own observation. It's so frustrating because I'm like "That's what I said too!"

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rockdrummer

I would prefer that you ladies wrestle in a vat of cream style corn.

rockdrummer

the problem is that it depends on who you talk to and how entrenched (if at all) they are in d/Deaf culture. You have to admit there are varying views even within the deaf community. Not everybody shares the same experiences and views. It's why I ask why. Not to argue so much but to make sure I understand and also to make sure I am not taking the views of only select individuals. Getting opinions and experiences from a wider audience for me will paint a more accurate picture. At least that is what I believe.

shel90

Getting experiences from a wider audience is better but there are some people who still continue to discount all those exeperiences. I find these people not worth to be bothered with. I can see that you are not like them and that you truly want to learn.

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dogmom

glad u had good time at Social, FX and that your friend could come, too-

rockdrummer

Thanks! It is true.

jillio

I agree with what you are saying to a great extent. But I can't deny that the credibility of the deaf person is often discounted simply because they are deaf. I have watched, for over 20 years now how a deaf person can relate their experience, and they are treated as if they have no clue, but let a hearing person repeat it, and it is believed all of a sudden. In fact, I have seen it happen so many times, that I now use it to an advantage. I will ask the deaf for their input, and when I am sure that I have it correct, I willsimply voice it for them, knowing that I will be considered more credible simply because I am hearing. It pisses me off, but the only thing I can do about it is turn the tables and use it to advocate for the deaf in the way they want to be advocated for. If I am unsure of something, I will go directly to the deaf to make sure that I am representing them properly. Then I use the situation to give a voice to what they have told me. It is all part of my "nothing for us without us" philosophy. And all the while, the people who won't listen to the deaf are actually being made to listen to them. I'm sure you have seen me do that right here on this forum more than once, lol.