What is the difference?

Lissa · 07-18-2009, 05:27 PM

Between

SEE and SSE??

I thought they both was the same?

jasin · 07-20-2009, 05:03 PM

What is sse? Please be more specific. The acronym sse can refer to a lot of things.

The Highlander · 07-20-2009, 05:05 PM

Signing Exact English and Sign Supported English.

Lissa · 07-20-2009, 05:06 PM

Sign Supported English

Cheri · 07-20-2009, 07:24 PM

In the US we refer to SEE and in United Kingdom they refer to SSE. The differences is that, SEE borrowed signs from ASL, and SSE borrowed signs from British sign language.

Bebonang · 07-21-2009, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

In the US we refer to SEE and in United Kingdom they refer to SSE. The differences is that, SEE borrowed signs from ASL, and SSE borrowed signs from British sign language.

That was before ASL. SEE (Sign Exact English) is a sign language with exact English, no cut or split word or backward, just straight English sentences completely. ASL change all that and to make the ASL universal in USA and Canada coast to coast. I don't know about Great Britian or England, but if British sign langauge (BSL) has been around longer before or after SSE (Sign Supported English), then my question is SSE is the same like SEE. Is that correct Q SEE do not borrowed signs from ASL, so the reverse is that ASL borrowed pretty much all the signs from SEE and just changed the context of the backward signs and take some words out to shorten the language. ASL is not completely all sentences like SEE. That is the difference.

shel90 · 07-21-2009, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bebonang

That was before ASL. SEE (Sign Exact English) is a sign language with exact English, no cut or split word or backward, just straight English sentences completely. ASL change all that and to make the ASL universal in USA and Canada coast to coast. I don't know about Great Britian or England, but if British sign langauge (BSL) has been around longer before or after SSE (Sign Supported English), then my question is SSE is the same like SEE. Is that correct Q SEE do not borrowed signs from ASL, so the reverse is that ASL borrowed pretty much all the signs from SEE and just changed the context of the backward signs and take some words out to shorten the language. ASL is not completely all sentences like SEE. That is the difference.

Are you saying that ASL borrowed signs from SEE?

Bebonang · 07-21-2009, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Are you saying that ASL borrowed signs from SEE?

Maybe not all of them, because I remembered when I had to visit another state like Illinois to visit some Deaf people (I was raised in Minnesota) in the late 60s, the Deafies were signing different words but have same other words like I signed with SEE. Every states have home sign language with SEE and it can get confusing for us to understand each other in different states.

I went to see the National Theater for the Deaf which they are from Connecticut in Minneapolis, Minnesota and the time frame is around early 70s, I think. Anyway, we watched them performed their plays or storytelling that we got confused and not fully understood everything the actors were saying. So later on still in the 70s, the actors had decided to invent a Universal sign language call American Sign Language shortened to ASL. That is how ASL was born and still use as today. SEE was before ASL. I hope you understand what I am saying and trying to explain this difference.

souggy · 07-21-2009, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bebonang

That was before ASL. SEE (Sign Exact English) is a sign language with exact English, no cut or split word or backward, just straight English sentences completely. ASL change all that and to make the ASL universal in USA and Canada coast to coast. I don't know about Great Britian or England, but if British sign langauge (BSL) has been around longer before or after SSE (Sign Supported English), then my question is SSE is the same like SEE. Is that correct Q SEE do not borrowed signs from ASL, so the reverse is that ASL borrowed pretty much all the signs from SEE and just changed the context of the backward signs and take some words out to shorten the language. ASL is not completely all sentences like SEE. That is the difference.

I hope for your sake it's a satire...

SEE is just English and initalizing a lot of the signs and adding English grammar and syntax to it.

Reba · 07-21-2009, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bebonang

Maybe not all of them, because I remembered when I had to visit another state like Illinois to visit some Deaf people (I was raised in Minnesota) in the late 60s, the Deafies were signing different words but have same other words like I signed with SEE. Every states have home sign language with SEE and it can get confusing for us to understand each other in different states.

I went to see the National Theater for the Deaf which they are from Connecticut in Minneapolis, Minnesota and the time frame is around early 70s, I think. Anyway, we watched them performed their plays or storytelling that we got confused and not fully understood everything the actors were saying. So later on still in the 70s, the actors had decided to invent a Universal sign language call American Sign Language shortened to ASL. That is how ASL was born and still use as today. SEE was before ASL. I hope you understand what I am saying and trying to explain this difference.

Where did you get that information?

souggy · 07-21-2009, 10:07 PM

Oooookay.

American Sign Language came BEFORE Signed Exact English. ASL came about in the 1840s-1860s, based on the Old French Sign Language brought over by Gallaudet and Clerc. SEE came about in 1970s when people realised that a pure oral education with unsupported signed English wasn't working out for the deaf children.

Bebonang · 07-21-2009, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by souggy

I hope for your sake it's a satire...

SEE is just English and initalizing a lot of the signs and adding English grammar and syntax to it.

That is correct and that is exactly what I am saying.

Bebonang · 07-21-2009, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reba

Where did you get that information?

Are you saying that I am going to get upset over this when I was young adult back in the late sixties to early seventys? I am telling you that every states have different sign languages like the dialects that people speak in different tongues in the old days. I was there and I thought that SEE was the old sign language that was in complete sentences. Then if I am wrong, then you can whip me any old time you like.

Bebonang · 07-21-2009, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by souggy

Oooookay.

American Sign Language came BEFORE Signed Exact English. ASL came about in the 1840s-1860s, based on the Old French Sign Language brought over by Gallaudet and Clerc. SEE came about in 1970s when people realised that a pure oral education with unsupported signed English wasn't working out for the deaf children.

I don't know about the ASL came about in the 1840s to 1860s. I was not born then. Maybe I am wrong about SEE because I learned how to sign after I graduated from high school and loving it. I don't remember to call ASL or SEE, so all I remember is that sign language open up a new door for me and let me be free to express with sign language. Anyway, a few years later when the actors made the books on the Joy of Signing or American Sign Language which had cleared that up for me to understand what they say in their acts in the Deaf theater. Everyone is making it easy in every state to understand us as neighbors so that we don't get confuse trying to make out what they are saying in different signs. So boot me, if I still am wrong.

Reba · 07-21-2009, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bebonang

Are you saying that I am going to get upset over this when I was young adult back in the late sixties to early seventys? I am telling you that every states have different sign languages like the dialects that people speak in different tongues in the old days. I was there and I thought that SEE was the old sign language that was in complete sentences. Then if I am wrong, then you can whip me any old time you like.

OK, you asked for it--

(BTW, SEE has only been in use since 1972. Yes, there are regional differences in American Sign Language because it is a living language. SEE is not a language but a sign system.)

Bebonang · 07-21-2009, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reba

OK, you asked for it--

(BTW, SEE has only been in use since 1972. Yes, there are regional differences in American Sign Language because it is a living language. SEE is not a language but a sign system.)

I apology by saying I am sorry that I am wrong and not understanding about SEE which might be different. I don't know where I get off on the wrong foot. <sigh>

Reba · 07-21-2009, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bebonang

I apology by saying I am sorry that I am wrong and not understanding about SEE which might be different. I don't know where I get off on the wrong foot. <sigh>

As long as you are willing to learn you will be fine.

jasin · 07-23-2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Highlander

Signing Exact English and Sign Supported English.

Signing Exact English is not sse its see.

jasin · 07-23-2009, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by souggy

Oooookay.

American Sign Language came BEFORE Signed Exact English. ASL came about in the 1840s-1860s, based on the Old French Sign Language brought over by Gallaudet and Clerc. SEE came about in 1970s when people realised that a pure oral education with unsupported signed English wasn't working out for the deaf children.

Its also based on mvs and various home sign systems.

***VamPyroX*** · 07-23-2009, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bebonang

Maybe not all of them, because I remembered when I had to visit another state like Illinois to visit some Deaf people (I was raised in Minnesota) in the late 60s, the Deafies were signing different words but have same other words like I signed with SEE. Every states have home sign language with SEE and it can get confusing for us to understand each other in different states.

I went to see the National Theater for the Deaf which they are from Connecticut in Minneapolis, Minnesota and the time frame is around early 70s, I think. Anyway, we watched them performed their plays or storytelling that we got confused and not fully understood everything the actors were saying. So later on still in the 70s, the actors had decided to invent a Universal sign language call American Sign Language shortened to ASL. That is how ASL was born and still use as today. SEE was before ASL. I hope you understand what I am saying and trying to explain this difference.

In that case, we should be using SEE in schools since it's the sign language that came before ASL.

souggy · 07-23-2009, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bebonang

I apology by saying I am sorry that I am wrong and not understanding about SEE which might be different. I don't know where I get off on the wrong foot. <sigh>

Don't fret too much over it. A lot of people struggle to understand the difference until they are given a crash course in Deaf history.

Psst... how can you tell if someone is a trained historian? They are ambiguous about the exact dates or specific details about the events, so they can't be proven wrong!

jasin · 07-23-2009, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VamPyroX

In that case, we should be using SEE in schools since it's the sign language that came before ASL.

See did not come before ASL.

souggy · 07-23-2009, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasin

See did not come before ASL.

* hands jasin a sarcasm radar *

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