What does it mean to be "oral"?

deafdyke · 06-22-2009, 04:11 AM

A contiunation of the Parants and CI thread.

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DD,

I'm not going to compare myself to others here on AD. You need to remember that I'm also totally blind, so I did not have the advantage of lipreading which you are so fond of encouraging when it comes to having a full "communication toolbox." I would appreciate it if you would not judge me. I haven't done that to anyone here, so I would appreciate the same courtesy in return.

Huh??
No, I'm not judging you at all. I don't know where you got that. Very puzzled. I'm just saying that while you were raised without Sign, you a) only had mild loss from birth (right?) and b) you're also pretty much postlingally deaf. What I was trying to say is that posties/ perilingal (those who lost their hearing on the cusp of aquirring language tend to have a different experiance from dhh kids who have always been dhh or lost their hearing early on. I wasn't being deafer then thou.

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DD,

If we're going to compare people with hearing loss, what about you? You have a moderate hearing loss and can still hear quite well. Does that mean it's fair for me to say you don't have the same challenges as I did when I had severe-profound hearing loss? Until you've walked a mile in another person's shoes, you have no idea what they experience.

No. no, not at all....... See above. I actually have a moderately severe loss, that is genetic and congential in nature....this isn't a audiogram contest or something. It's not It's simply the difference between the postie/peri vs. prelingally/ congentially deaf experiance, that's all.

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FYI, I did have speech therapy in elementary school. The only reason I've never mentioned it here is because I only had speech therapy for a very short period of time.

On the other hand, was it for articualtion issues (very common overall in the hearing population) or language therapy specificly for blind children?
Speech therapy can mean a whole lot of things from remediation of a lisp to teaching a kid how to swallow. Did you have language therapy that was designed for dhh kids? Again.....I'm not saying that you're not "really deaf".....I think that's how you're interpreting what I'm saying.
I'm simply saying that your experiance as a pretty much postlingal dhh kid was different then growing up dhh orally with a prelingal very significent loss. ( eg. a loss that significently affects spoken language aquastion)
Although I am only hoh, I did have very intense spoken language intervention in preschool and kindergarten as well as dhh "speech" (modulation, tone, volumne etc) up til I graduated high school.
Other dhh kids may have attended an oral program/ gone to AVT/ been enrolled in things like the John Tracy program etc.
You did grow up without sign language.....but that would have been more " oral as default." as opposed to

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I thought any HOH or deaf person who was forbidden the exposure of ASL was considered as oral-only?

Well the thing is..... Hear Again, wasn't forbidden to use ASL or other methods. It was more like oral as default...... Make sense? You DID however have the experiance of discovering ASL as a really useful tool and wishing you had it earlier right?
I wouldn't call you traditionally oral (meaning had to have intense spoken language thearapy) but you did grow up without sign...... Hmmmm.......tough debate you know? Can a postie or kid with mild loss be automaticly oral, even thou they may not have had intense speech therapy or oral schooling ? Interesting debate...........

Hear Again · 06-22-2009, 10:07 AM

DD,

According to what my CI audi told me, even a mild hearing loss can have a negative impact on a child's language development and ability to learn. As someone who claims to be an advocate for the deaf and HoH, I would have thought you understood that.

Case in point: I did not start talking until age 3. I also required speech therapy when I was in elementary school. I never mention that on AD only because I saw a speech therapist for a few months, so it was not intensive by any means.

Please do not presume to know about my background or how my hearing loss affected me. I would also appreciate it if you refrain from minimizing the effects my mild hearing loss had on me.

When you are totally blind and have a mild hearing loss, come back and tell me what your life is like.

As the saying goes, you cannot know what another person experiences until you've walked a mile in their shoes.

I'm sure you wouldn't like it if I made assumptions about you.

After all, you aren't really "deaf" (i.e. deafdyke) given the fact that you have moderate hearing loss.

Hear Again · 06-22-2009, 10:14 AM

DD,

You do not know anything about my background in regards to being permitted to use ASL. All of my teachers knew I was totally blind and had progressive hearing loss yet they did not teach me any techniques for coping (such as tactile sign).

I am postlingually deaf yet that does not mean my experiences are less significant than someone who is prelingually Deaf.

Stop making comparisons about whose experiences are worse. I know many people who are prelingually Deaf who write much better than I do. They also excel in school and hold respectable jobs.

Making excuses for someone because they are prelingually Deaf is doing them an injustice. I can tell you that if my child is prelingually Deaf, I will never allow that to dictate what they are capable of. In my eyes, they can be anything they want to be and their inability to hear should not have any basis on what they can and cannot do.

As my 10th grade Biology teacher told me, "The only limitations you have are those you place upon yourself."

shel90 · 06-22-2009, 10:16 AM

DD, HA is correct. I have worked with children who have mild hearing loss with language delays and deficits due to not being exposed to ASL.

IMO, any child with any hearing loss who wasnt exposed to ASL is considered oral-only.

Hear Again · 06-22-2009, 10:20 AM

DD,

Why are you asking me various questions about what kind of speech therapy I had? Do I need to justify myself to you? What difference does it make whether or not my speech therapy was designed for someone who is deaf or HoH? I could not pronounce words correctly due to my hearing loss (particularly words with the letter "S" and "R" which I still have difficulty with today). I had absolutely no difficulty with written language and excelled in that regard.

In fact, I continuously scored 4 years above grade level when it came to reading comprehension and writing.

Hear Again · 06-22-2009, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by shel90

DD, HA is correct. I have worked with children who have mild hearing loss with language delays and deficits due to not being exposed to ASL.

IMO, any child with any hearing loss who wasnt exposed to ASL is considered oral-only.

Shel.

Hear Again · 06-22-2009, 10:24 AM

DD,

Why do you call postlingually deaf children or adults "posties?" That's offensive.

Bottesini · 06-22-2009, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

DD,

Why do you call postlingually deaf children or adults "posties?" That's offensive.

Yes it is!

Hear Again · 06-22-2009, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

Yes it is!

Bott. I'm glad someone agrees with me.

Bottesini · 06-22-2009, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

Bott. I'm glad someone agrees with me.

To me it is like the old slur for deaf people of "dummy" and I am fairly certain DD would not use that one.

Hear Again · 06-22-2009, 11:29 AM

DD,

A moderately-severe hearing loss is still pretty decent especially when you consider that most people (note that I did not say all) with this degree of hearing loss can benefit from HAs and an FM system.

Hear Again · 06-22-2009, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

To me it is like the old slur for deaf people of "dummy" and I am fairly certain DD would not use that one.

I hope not.

Hear Again · 06-22-2009, 11:31 AM

Oh...and do not flame me for mentioning FM systems. I am not saying that FM systems should be used in place of ASL. If I were President, I'd make it a requirement by law that all children regardless of hearing loss learn ASL.

whatdidyousay! · 06-22-2009, 11:53 AM

Bill Clinton can tell you!

shel90 · 06-22-2009, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

Oh...and do not flame me for mentioning FM systems. I am not saying that FM systems should be used in place of ASL. If I were President, I'd make it a requirement by law that all children regardless of hearing loss learn ASL.

I totally agree with that and I would happily vote for it.

Hear Again · 06-22-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

I totally agree with that and I would happily vote for it.

Maybe Obama can make that a reality. <crossing fingers>

Hear Again · 06-22-2009, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

Bill Clinton can tell you!

shel90 · 06-22-2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hear Again

Old joke from the Monica Lewisky days when she performed oral sex on him in the Oval Office.

Hear Again · 06-22-2009, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Old joke from the Monica Lewisky days when she performed oral sex on him in the Oval Office.

Duh. Of course.

Daredevel7 · 06-22-2009, 02:12 PM

We all know that we judge each other (whether it be quietly or out loud). We can't help it. For example, when I was growing up, I had very few deaf friends and they were all like me (oral only). When I met more deaf people, I noticed that a surprising amount of them can talk on the phone. I thought to myself "Pffft and you call yourself deaf?"

On the other side, people accuse me of being "HoH". They said that because I speak too well and don't know sign, therefore I must be HoH, despite a profound loss since birth.....

That's life, I suppose?

shel90 · 06-22-2009, 02:16 PM

Daredevel, I get accused of the same thing which is why people gave me a hard time whenever I misunderstood or didn't understand them.

naisho · 06-22-2009, 02:16 PM

I only have three words to say. "C'est La Vie"...

Hear Again · 06-22-2009, 02:19 PM

Due to the fact that I grew up totally blind, I do not judge others who have physical disabilities. I never have and I never will. Each of us is different and how well one functions can vary across a wide spectrum. It is not for me to judge someone based on how well or little they can hear or even if they live independently. We all have our crosses to bear which is a part of life. If someone wants to judge me for whatever reason, let them. That's their problem -- not mine. Besides, I don't have to live up to anyone else's expectations but my own.

Daredevel7 · 06-22-2009, 02:35 PM

One of the reasons why we judge is because we can't always believe what other people say or that they are accurately describing their experiences. For example, seems like every time an oral only person says "I'm perfectly happy with my experiences", some deaf people take it with a grain of salt and rationalize it ("he was brain washed", etc etc.). In order to not judge, you have to 1) 100% believe what others say and 2) trust that person's judgment on their own experiences. That's a lot of faith right there for a stranger.

Hear Again · 06-22-2009, 03:50 PM

Good point Daredevel.

Bebonang · 06-23-2009, 12:40 AM

I had been in the mainstream in both elementary and high school. They both only deal with oral-only program. They forced us to work on our speech and read lips. Then we had to go into the hearing classrooms to learn what we were to suppose to learn and it was difficult not understanding the teachers and students in the classroom without sign language interpreters and notetakers. The principal (hearing) refused to get us the necessary accommodations for them to understand what the hearing classrooms are saying. It all centered on the AGB (Alexander Graham Bell) who want us to be oralist without ASL and notetakers. He and other groups rejected the ASL. We all don't want to be oralist. Sure we can talk but not as perfect as hearing people think we should talk like them. After graduation from high school, I took Sign Exact English back in the late 1960. The sign language open a door for me as it is much easier to understand than trying to lipread. No Deaf or Hard of Hearing don't like to be force when things are not working for us in the oral-only program. I have tried to explain my principal years ago that we need sign language in the hearing classroom so that I can understand what we were to suppose to discuss the subject of each classroom. The oral-only method is not that good way to go about.

That is why we need all the toolboxes of getting us Deaf and HOH needed accommodations to be able to understand in the hearing classroom. I do not want to be an only oralist 24 hours and 7 days. I love signing and very happy with it. I learned how to use ASL instead of SEE later as soon as the National Theater for the Deaf from Connecticut make the change from SEE to ASL. That is the purpose why we discuss in many of our threads in this forum.

deafdyke · 06-23-2009, 01:02 AM

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even a mild hearing loss can have a negative impact on a child's language development and ability to learn. As someone who claims to be an advocate for the deaf and HoH, I would have thought you understood that.

Case in point: I did not start talking until age 3. I also required speech therapy when I was in elementary school. I never mention that on AD only because I saw a speech therapist for a few months, so it was not intensive by any means.

Please do not presume to know about my background or how my hearing loss affected me. I would also appreciate it if you refrain from minimizing the effects my mild hearing loss had on me.

When you are totally blind and have a mild hearing loss, come back and tell me what your life is like.

No, I'm not minimizing your experiances at ALL. I don't get why you think I'm minimizing your experiances. I'm simply saying that your experiance growing up " oral" with a mild loss was different then growing up "oral" with a more significent loss. I'm not saying it was easier or that you're not " really" deaf. Just that your experiance was different, that's all. I do know that mild losses can still impact spoken language development in a significent number of cases ......but at the same time, there are still a lot of kids who managed to compensate pretty well and didn't even need speech therapy. (you hear all those stories of hoh kids who weren't identified until kindergarten b/c they compensated so well)
As a matter of fact, off the top of my head, mild losses make up the largest group of dhh kids to go unaided. Granted, it's still hard....and you still dealt with the disadvantages of having a mild hearing loss while having no usable vision....that would be like not having the advantage of glasses if you had a mild vision problem and you were deaf or hoh. You did experiance what it's like to be oral and mildly hoh, yes......Well I think we're really qubbling on sematics right now.....
Wait.......actually.......How old are you? B/c actually a lot of mildly hoh kids got misdx as MR instead of hoh back in the '70's. .....and they didn't nessarily get a lot of intensive intervention prolly. They prolly just got hearing aids and got pushed into the hearing world....and I mean most hoh kids (especially mild hoh kids) until relatively recently got pushed into the hearing world.....
So, actually I wouldn't nessarily call you "deaf" oral, but you did seem to experiance a lot of mild hoh "oral" stuff......so in one sense you did grow up oral.....but what I was trying to say is that the "deaf" oral experiance and the "hoh oral" experiances are two different things. They're related, and have a lot of commonalities but also a lot of differences.
Again, I never implied or anything that you weren't "deaf enough" or that it wasn't hard growing up hoh. ...Just saying that the hoh oral experiance can be different from the "deaf oral" experiance.
Oh, and I'm sorry I used what some see as a slur.....I'm confused....I have seen "postie" used by people who are postlingals. Sorry for any hurt caused.

Grummer · 06-23-2009, 03:06 AM

DD,
could you enlighten on the differences between deaf oral and hoh oral?
Its a really interesting way you put it like this, but i am still abit unsure so maybe you could summerise so that we could 'identify' these when we encounters various oral-orientated deaf people.

i think you got good ideas there, its like going from another side, like grassroot, native signers, fluent signers, codas signers gifted linguistic types then oralist-all-life-can sign (whats that one called?) later then deafened....your description seems to relate from the far-hearing (oral side) towards the middle oral-deaf.....i like it so I hope you might find this well, its a good remark, should i say a remarkable way to describe, and worthy of elaboration.
cheers

jillio · 06-23-2009, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Daredevel7

One of the reasons why we judge is because we can't always believe what other people say or that they are accurately describing their experiences. For example, seems like every time an oral only person says "I'm perfectly happy with my experiences", some deaf people take it with a grain of salt and rationalize it ("he was brain washed", etc etc.). In order to not judge, you have to 1) 100% believe what others say and 2) trust that person's judgment on their own experiences. That's a lot of faith right there for a stranger.

Well, to not judge you don't have to believe 100% of what the other person has to say. You only have to understand that they are describing their experience from their own perspective.

dogmom · 06-23-2009, 11:58 AM

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06-22-2009, 10:07 AM	#2 (permalink)
Hear Again Each day is a gift. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 20,073 Blog Entries: 6	DD, According to what my CI audi told me, even a mild hearing loss can have a negative impact on a child's language development and ability to learn. As someone who claims to be an advocate for the deaf and HoH, I would have thought you understood that. Case in point: I did not start talking until age 3. I also required speech therapy when I was in elementary school. I never mention that on AD only because I saw a speech therapist for a few months, so it was not intensive by any means. Please do not presume to know about my background or how my hearing loss affected me. I would also appreciate it if you refrain from minimizing the effects my mild hearing loss had on me. When you are totally blind and have a mild hearing loss, come back and tell me what your life is like. As the saying goes, you cannot know what another person experiences until you've walked a mile in their shoes. I'm sure you wouldn't like it if I made assumptions about you. After all, you aren't really "deaf" (i.e. deafdyke) given the fact that you have moderate hearing loss. __________________ Left ear - Nucleus 24 Contour Advance with Freedom BTE (Implanted: 12/22/04 \| Activated: 1/18/05) Right ear - Nucleus Freedom (Implanted: 2/1/06 \| Activated: 3/1/06) Deafblind/Postlingual

06-22-2009, 10:14 AM	#3 (permalink)
Hear Again Each day is a gift. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 20,073 Blog Entries: 6	DD, You do not know anything about my background in regards to being permitted to use ASL. All of my teachers knew I was totally blind and had progressive hearing loss yet they did not teach me any techniques for coping (such as tactile sign). I am postlingually deaf yet that does not mean my experiences are less significant than someone who is prelingually Deaf. Stop making comparisons about whose experiences are worse. I know many people who are prelingually Deaf who write much better than I do. They also excel in school and hold respectable jobs. Making excuses for someone because they are prelingually Deaf is doing them an injustice. I can tell you that if my child is prelingually Deaf, I will never allow that to dictate what they are capable of. In my eyes, they can be anything they want to be and their inability to hear should not have any basis on what they can and cannot do. As my 10th grade Biology teacher told me, "The only limitations you have are those you place upon yourself." __________________ Left ear - Nucleus 24 Contour Advance with Freedom BTE (Implanted: 12/22/04 \| Activated: 1/18/05) Right ear - Nucleus Freedom (Implanted: 2/1/06 \| Activated: 3/1/06) Deafblind/Postlingual

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shel90 In a pink and black world Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: In the land of the free Posts: 23,991 Blog Entries: 3	DD, HA is correct. I have worked with children who have mild hearing loss with language delays and deficits due to not being exposed to ASL. IMO, any child with any hearing loss who wasnt exposed to ASL is considered oral-only. __________________ Shel~ "A child educated only at school is an uneducated child." -George Santayana

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Hear Again Each day is a gift. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 20,073 Blog Entries: 6	DD, Why are you asking me various questions about what kind of speech therapy I had? Do I need to justify myself to you? What difference does it make whether or not my speech therapy was designed for someone who is deaf or HoH? I could not pronounce words correctly due to my hearing loss (particularly words with the letter "S" and "R" which I still have difficulty with today). I had absolutely no difficulty with written language and excelled in that regard. In fact, I continuously scored 4 years above grade level when it came to reading comprehension and writing. __________________ Left ear - Nucleus 24 Contour Advance with Freedom BTE (Implanted: 12/22/04 \| Activated: 1/18/05) Right ear - Nucleus Freedom (Implanted: 2/1/06 \| Activated: 3/1/06) Deafblind/Postlingual

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Hear Again Each day is a gift. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 20,073 Blog Entries: 6	DD, A moderately-severe hearing loss is still pretty decent especially when you consider that most people (note that I did not say all) with this degree of hearing loss can benefit from HAs and an FM system. __________________ Left ear - Nucleus 24 Contour Advance with Freedom BTE (Implanted: 12/22/04 \| Activated: 1/18/05) Right ear - Nucleus Freedom (Implanted: 2/1/06 \| Activated: 3/1/06) Deafblind/Postlingual

06-22-2009, 11:31 AM	#13 (permalink)
Hear Again Each day is a gift. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 20,073 Blog Entries: 6	Oh...and do not flame me for mentioning FM systems. I am not saying that FM systems should be used in place of ASL. If I were President, I'd make it a requirement by law that all children regardless of hearing loss learn ASL. __________________ Left ear - Nucleus 24 Contour Advance with Freedom BTE (Implanted: 12/22/04 \| Activated: 1/18/05) Right ear - Nucleus Freedom (Implanted: 2/1/06 \| Activated: 3/1/06) Deafblind/Postlingual

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Daredevel7 Adrenaline Junky Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 1,937	We all know that we judge each other (whether it be quietly or out loud). We can't help it. For example, when I was growing up, I had very few deaf friends and they were all like me (oral only). When I met more deaf people, I noticed that a surprising amount of them can talk on the phone. I thought to myself "Pffft and you call yourself deaf?" On the other side, people accuse me of being "HoH". They said that because I speak too well and don't know sign, therefore I must be HoH, despite a profound loss since birth..... That's life, I suppose?

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shel90 In a pink and black world Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: In the land of the free Posts: 23,991 Blog Entries: 3	Daredevel, I get accused of the same thing which is why people gave me a hard time whenever I misunderstood or didn't understand them. __________________ Shel~ "A child educated only at school is an uneducated child." -George Santayana

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06-22-2009, 02:19 PM	#23 (permalink)
Hear Again Each day is a gift. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 20,073 Blog Entries: 6	Due to the fact that I grew up totally blind, I do not judge others who have physical disabilities. I never have and I never will. Each of us is different and how well one functions can vary across a wide spectrum. It is not for me to judge someone based on how well or little they can hear or even if they live independently. We all have our crosses to bear which is a part of life. If someone wants to judge me for whatever reason, let them. That's their problem -- not mine. Besides, I don't have to live up to anyone else's expectations but my own. __________________ Left ear - Nucleus 24 Contour Advance with Freedom BTE (Implanted: 12/22/04 \| Activated: 1/18/05) Right ear - Nucleus Freedom (Implanted: 2/1/06 \| Activated: 3/1/06) Deafblind/Postlingual

06-22-2009, 02:35 PM	#24 (permalink)
Daredevel7 Adrenaline Junky Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 1,937	One of the reasons why we judge is because we can't always believe what other people say or that they are accurately describing their experiences. For example, seems like every time an oral only person says "I'm perfectly happy with my experiences", some deaf people take it with a grain of salt and rationalize it ("he was brain washed", etc etc.). In order to not judge, you have to 1) 100% believe what others say and 2) trust that person's judgment on their own experiences. That's a lot of faith right there for a stranger.

06-22-2009, 03:50 PM	#25 (permalink)
Hear Again Each day is a gift. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 20,073 Blog Entries: 6	Good point Daredevel. __________________ Left ear - Nucleus 24 Contour Advance with Freedom BTE (Implanted: 12/22/04 \| Activated: 1/18/05) Right ear - Nucleus Freedom (Implanted: 2/1/06 \| Activated: 3/1/06) Deafblind/Postlingual

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Bebonang "Deaf Cree Militant" Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Manitoulin Island on Lake Huron in Canada Posts: 2,874	I had been in the mainstream in both elementary and high school. They both only deal with oral-only program. They forced us to work on our speech and read lips. Then we had to go into the hearing classrooms to learn what we were to suppose to learn and it was difficult not understanding the teachers and students in the classroom without sign language interpreters and notetakers. The principal (hearing) refused to get us the necessary accommodations for them to understand what the hearing classrooms are saying. It all centered on the AGB (Alexander Graham Bell) who want us to be oralist without ASL and notetakers. He and other groups rejected the ASL. We all don't want to be oralist. Sure we can talk but not as perfect as hearing people think we should talk like them. After graduation from high school, I took Sign Exact English back in the late 1960. The sign language open a door for me as it is much easier to understand than trying to lipread. No Deaf or Hard of Hearing don't like to be force when things are not working for us in the oral-only program. I have tried to explain my principal years ago that we need sign language in the hearing classroom so that I can understand what we were to suppose to discuss the subject of each classroom. The oral-only method is not that good way to go about. That is why we need all the toolboxes of getting us Deaf and HOH needed accommodations to be able to understand in the hearing classroom. I do not want to be an only oralist 24 hours and 7 days. I love signing and very happy with it. I learned how to use ASL instead of SEE later as soon as the National Theater for the Deaf from Connecticut make the change from SEE to ASL. That is the purpose why we discuss in many of our threads in this forum. __________________ I HAVE BEEN DEAF SINCE BIRTH, AND IT IS STILL AWESOME TO BE . <Deaf> <very happy>

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Grummer Burn fat off your soul Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: North Island in the South Posts: 3,240	DD, could you enlighten on the differences between deaf oral and hoh oral? Its a really interesting way you put it like this, but i am still abit unsure so maybe you could summerise so that we could 'identify' these when we encounters various oral-orientated deaf people. i think you got good ideas there, its like going from another side, like grassroot, native signers, fluent signers, codas signers gifted linguistic types then oralist-all-life-can sign (whats that one called?) later then deafened....your description seems to relate from the far-hearing (oral side) towards the middle oral-deaf.....i like it so I hope you might find this well, its a good remark, should i say a remarkable way to describe, and worthy of elaboration. cheers __________________ Some people will tell you that slow is good - and it may be, on some days - but I am here to tell you that fast is better. I've always believed this, in spite of the trouble it's caused me. Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube. That is why God made fast motorcycles. Hunter S Thompson

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