rockdrummer

I know the ASL sign for grass but does anyone know the SEE sign for grass?

Thanks!

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Lighthouse77

grass is a noun.. I can't see why you can't use ASL for grass

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shel90

I don't think there is one but better wait for a SEE user to confirm it.

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jasin

SEE and ASL share Vocab, so you can most likely use the sign for grass in ASL.

rockdrummer

Even though SEE took many of its signs from ASL there are many that are different. What I am asking for specifically is if anyone knows the SEE sign for grass. Thank you.

shel90

I have met many people who use SEE and I do not remember if the sign for grass was different or the same.

Why not PM some members here who use SEE?

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rockdrummer

I am not sure which members here use SEE. I know some people have talked about it in the past by my memory is failing me right now. Old age kicking in I guess.

shel90

Check your PM.

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Bottesini

Cheri and RedFox I think.

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rockdrummer

Thanks you guys. I appreciate your help. I have sent some PM to see if I can get an answer.

AlleyCat

Rockdrummer, I use both ASL and SEE. The sign is the same for both. I have never seen otherwise in my life, so I think you're safe with the sign you know

Brian

From what I can remember about the sign - it is like you sign for foot but with "g" instead of "f".

Cheri

The sign for grass in SEE use your fingers of palm-up claw move up through fingers of left claw several times...

I replied to your pm, rockdrummer.

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rockdrummer

thank you Cheri. That is what I thought that the ASL and SEE signs are different for the word Grass. I have so much frustration because of the differences in the SEE and ASL signs it drives me crazy. Why didn't the people that came up with SEE not use ASL signs as the subset and build around that. That way you would not have any different signs. There would be all of the ASL signs and then the additional signs would be SEE. Maybe I am missing something but it sure seems to me that this could have been possible.

shel90

Anyone feel free to corect me if I am wrong. My understanding that SEE was created from the idea of making English accessible to Deaf children and the ASL signs were changed to using the handshape of whatever letter that word started with and then sign that way using the structure of English.

SEE is an artificial system that was devised in 1972. It takes much of its vocabulary of signs from American Sign Language (ASL). However, it often modifies the handshapes used in the ASL signs in order to incorporate the handshape used for the first letter of the English word that the SEE sign is meant to represent. Many new signs were invented, however, especially signs for grammatical concepts. SEE can be thought of as a code for visually representing spoken English, developed primarily for use in deaf education.

Signing Exact English - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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loml

SEE uses signs from ASL, the modifications are used for representing the affixes, prefixes, suffixes and contractions used in English. The "root sign" remains the same.

For example: grasses = ASL sign for grass with a "s" handshape to represent the plural form - grasses.

Hope that helps.

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loml

rockdrummer - The sign that Cheri describes is the one that I have used in ASL. You are using SEE, right? There is a SEE dictionary, Signing Exact English, Gerilee Gustavson and Esther Zawolkow, published Modern Sign Press.

This is an other good resource book: Signing Exact English Using Affixes, compiled by Billie McDavitt and Patrice Stephenson. It is a great resource that show "root sign" and the affixes, prefixes etc. I am pretty sure you can still get it through Modern Sign Press, Inc.

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Banjo

That's the one. I should know because I used SEE in a total communication program when I was a child. I use ASL now though.

deafbajagal

According to SEE II in Arkansas, it is a palm (5 fingers facing upward) on the chin, going up and down...kinda hard to explain.

That's a regional sign.

jillio

Actually, the "root sign" doesn't always remain the same with only a prefix or suffix added. The handshape is quite often changed to indicate an initialized sign: such as using an "s" handshape for "has", a "V" handshape for have, and a "d" handshape for had. The only thing that is retained in these instances, and many others, is the motion of the sign from ASL.

deafbajagal

RD, you wasn't talking about grass as in...(smoking) ...were, you?

shel90

OOOH!!!!

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or snitching

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Cheri

That's what I have, and I also have "The Joy of signing" by Lottie L. Riekehof.

and you're welcome, Rockdrummer.

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rockdrummer

BINGO! That is the exact sign my son showed me. I don't think it is regional. I was trying to tell him I was going outside to cut the grass and I signed that to him in ASL. He looked at me confused when I signed grass in ASL. Then I showed him a picture of grass and he said no no.. and then showed me the claw sign up to his chin. Now that is confirmed the SEE sign for grass. People keep telling me that the SEE signs are the same as ASL but I find over and over that they are not. Personally I belive they should be and all the englishy stuff should have been appened to ASL.

rockdrummer

I'm sorry loml, the root signs are the same in some cases but there are many where they are not. Grass is a case in point. Also "what" is signed differently and I can think of many others.

rockdrummer

uhm... no But if I were, what would the sign be. Just for reference purposes of course.

rockdrummer

Thank you loml. The problem is that I hate learning signs from a book. It's very difficult with some of the signs to figure out what the little drawings are trying to tell you. I love aslpro.com It makes ASL eaisly accessable. I wish there was a similar SEE site. I don't know. Maybe call it seepro.com. It makes me want to discuss another topic but perhaps I will start a thread about it.

deafbajagal

LOL. Make the "F" sign...bring it up to your lips, as if you're smoking.

For added effect, puff...but don't inhale (Clinton style!). *Smirk*

Just curious...are you saying you sign in ASL and your son is signing in SEE?

You're right...ASL and SEE are very different...some signs are the same but some are so different. True SEE does not use conceptually accurate signs...for example...
Butterfly would be sign as butter (the spread) + fly (as in airplane, flying. Nowdays a lot of SEE users do use CASE (Conceptually Accurate Signed English) along with SEE...and some even use CVL (that's where some ASL signs would come in...called Contact Language Variety).