inmate23

Hi

How to make the move from oral with sign child to sign only adlut. My reasons are as follow:

1 poor lipreading skills

2 the new zealand health system took my hearing aids away so what I can hear is limited the new audi that the system is funding is a pain to say the least

3 listening takes a lot of enery as I other condions including cerebral palsy, depression, pstd

4 sick of being told that i dont sound deaf

5 tired of test after test to just be they are not the same

please help im at my wits end

Deafness

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Bottesini

I don't understand why they took away your hearing aids?

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inmate23

it was a bit stupid

Bebonang

Are you saying that you are in jail, prison or at home where you can not go out that your hearing aids are taken away from you? I guess that you are having problem with hearing people who work with you trying to test you and think that you can hear but you can not hear. You were upset about the kind of conditions that is happening on you for being Deaf and handicapped. Am I right? Also I don't understand what you mean by oral to sign language child to sign language adult. you have to give me clarification on what you mean by that. I meant to say that you are talking about yourself or someone who is oral but graduate to sign language from child to Adult, is that what you mean?

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Mountain Man

I assume it's because New Zealand has some sort of nationalized health care system like the kind Obama wants to inflict on America.

Bottesini

That does not tell me why.

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Buffalo

Join a deaf club and make deaf friends.

New Zealand Deaf Societies


I am curious about why they take your hearing aids away.

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Mountain Man

Basically in a universal health care system, the government rather than your personal physician decides what sort of medical care you're eligible to receive. If the government deems certain benefits "too expensive" or otherwise not worthwhile (such as costly life-extending treatments for an elderly person) then you'll be denied those benefits regardless of how you or your doctor feels about it. It's a horrible system that's failed to one extent or another everywhere it's been implemented, and I hope to God that Obama fails in his plans to bring such a system to America.

Bottesini

I only want to know the actual, concrete, literal reason he had hearing aids taken away.

I understand Mountain Man that you don't like socialized medicine as you have now told me twice.

If we could, the rest of us asking would like the OP to tell us the reason.

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inmate23

State pays for hearing aids. Last time I went to my audi he took my hearing aids from me. State funded heath systems don't work they are painly hard to work with. I have an speak e-z body worn aid that I own the microphone doesn't work. The other problems with the body worn aid is that the volumle control are on the bottom of the aid and that it uses 4 tiple a batterys and if I want to able to hear I will be going though battery like theres no tommorrow.

My question is how do I go from day to day oral dealing with people to only dealing with people in ASL

I have an audio processing disorder and tinntus so badly that at times I'm profoundly deaf and I have a testable hearing loss of 20% and my ears are non stop ringing and sore. the eardrums them selfs are painfall and fell blocked the audi says they are are not. :liar:

Bottesini

First you need to move to the United States.

New Zealand uses NZSL and not ASL.

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Lighthouse77

Are you saying that your hearing aids is a loaner (borrowed?). if it is national healthcare, I suppose they do treat it as it is theirs. Although the stuffs we get that is funded by the gov't is ours to keep so I don't know if it works the same way where you live.

Are you sure he didn't take it because it need to be fix? Sometimes I have go for days without a hearing aids because it is being fix. Maybe you misunderstood what's going on.

I am not sure if you are in prison but someone mentioned prison. Is it because they don't allow any electronic devices?

But yeah, learning sign languages is cheaper and easier to deal with. So I agree with you.

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inmate23

I am not sure if you are in prison but someone mentioned prison. Is it because they don't allow any electronic devices?

Im not in prison

inmate23

I have cerebral pasly as well. So I need to use a one handed sign laugage. ASL has a one handed abc so I spell out what I need to say in Asl. NZSL is two handed and I only have use of one hand

Bottesini

I can't help that. You won't be understood, so you might as well keep up your speech skills.

Once you had them, and you did say people say you have good speech, you only need receptive sign if you are truly too deaf to hear and you can't read lips.

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Lighthouse77

I remember when I was in school, I did have an FM system specifically for schooling. It wasn't mine at all.

So I wonder how your country treat hearing aids. Do they let you keep it or borrow it?

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inmate23

They say they are yours and that you need look after them.

jillio

Yeah, kind of like what the HMO's and PPO's are doing here in America! And we pay them to do it.

Lighthouse77

I don't really like insurances either... but I can't understand the life of me why doctors will refuse to treat you because your insurance told them no? if you want to pay big money, then give it to them.

My only concern with the gov't is that they will be forced to control the pricing of healthcare (or cost of living), which means medical factory workers will be paid less (you gotta do what you can to control the pricing of healthcare), wealthy will receive less (after taxes on businesses and take-home), etc.

and it would like you can't climb up the ladder for better treatment where the gov't feel it is not neccessary. Or a marxism setting.. it gets nowhere. Same thing day in and day out.

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jillio

Sure people have the option of paying out of pocket for health care the insurance company denies, but the majority of people who are enrolled in HMOs and PPOs are enrolled in those programs because they are lower income. So they not only can't afford fee for service insurance, they can't afford to pay out of pocket for medical costs, either. They kind of have people over a barrel.

The whole purpose behind the HMO and the PPO was cost effectiveness. The reason that the programs became so popular was because they advertised themselves as being a way to contain the rising cost of health care. It didn't work.

Lighthouse77

That is the reason why I think the gov't will control the free market. I don't think they can make it work either unless they control the market.

I think the only reason healthcare keep going up because lawsuits and technologies keep going up. The reason I mention technologies is part of the reason because I thought about my bills today and my bills 14 years ago. 14 years ago, I didn't have a cellphone, internet, etc. But today I do and I am paying those bills. I think as we add more and more modern technologies in healthcare, the more expensive it gets.

If I had to choose between gov't and insurance. I'll choose insurance.. at least they are not allow to control the market, just themselves... We can keep getting higher paycheck if we are desperate to get something from healthcare. I do not want to be stuck in one place and can not save money for something I need because the gov't have too much control.

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Dixie

Well the healthcare debate is worldwide not just for the U.S. If we made healthcare available for every US citizen, we would have rework the entire medical system in the States. Every doctor would be assigned a set number of patients to oversee, it might be your GP that you trust now, it might be a GP you've never met a day in your life. When you move a new GP is assigned to you. Only problem is that the way our country is populated, very dense in areas like NYC and very spread out in other areas like Alaska and Wyoming. Some people would be within 15 minutes of their GP but have to wait for hours to get in or may be required to make an appointment. Those living in places like Alaska or Wyoming would have to drive for hours to reach their GP although they may be able to get in relatively fast. The downside is if the weather is hazardous many would still forgo medical care, or they simply did not have the gas money to get there.

On top of all that, new restrictions would have to be put in place to keep patients from abusing the new system. Its hard enough now just to get cold medicine. Think of Sweden, over there you must get a doctor's prescription to get eye drops, whereas here you can go to your nearest drug store and get it off the shelf, pay for it and leave.

The guaranteed thing is that EVERYONE will be guaranteed medical care regardless of income.

The simplest solution would be that the government will help pay for everyone's medical treatments based upon their income. The only way this would balance out where the gov't could afford this is to raise taxes. Treatments above a certain amount must be paid either out of pocket or by a private or group insurance company plan provided by an employer.

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deafbajagal

Why are eyeglasses almost always covered, but hearing aids are not?

ASLGAL

Did they give a reason why the hearing aids were taken away?

My question is how can they do that if a piece of equipment has been demmed medically necessary? How do they justify it?

I know nothing of New Zealands Health Care Programs so I am curious.

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Lighthouse77

he says hearing aids are his to keep, and i can't see why they would take them away from him. I'm guess they want to fix it and he didn't pick up on that.

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inmate23

The earmoulds were badly fitted and I will have to pay for a new pair $189. I live on $229.13 a week it would be cheaper to a pair off trademe(like ebay) and have new moulds taken. As I have to purchase a new aid as well

~SG~

You can ask WINZ (that if you do get any benefit (SSI for americans) from government) to pay for your new ear moulds and or hearing aids.

But if you are under 21 years old and still in high school. It is supposed to be free for new ear moulds, hearing aids and batteries as NZ government's fund pay for it. I had my hearing aids, ear moulds and batteries for free when I was at primary (elementary) school, high school in the past. (Even during mainstream schooling, I went to audiologist at the Deaf School in past to get free hearing aids, batteries and new ear moulds).

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inmate23

I have spoken to WINZ and they will only cover me up to $1000 and that I have to pay back. I have spoken to the local deaf school and they act like Im a hearing chick with hearing aids.

BecLak

ASL is the best to learn in my opinion. One handed finger-spelling from ASL is widely known and is almost universal. I had an Australian Deaf friend who knew both AUSLAN and ASL, he began to teach me some ASL because it is more commonly known than other sign languages.

flip

Thailand got a own sign language, no need to import AUSLAN or ASL? French sign language kick ass if one want a "best sign language"