To all hearing parents of Deaf kids - Page 5

jillio · 04-19-2009, 01:19 PM

Another productive discussion lost to sarcasm.

**Cheri** · 04-19-2009, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by faire_jour

Careful, if you side with me even for a second, they might take away your Deaf badge.

jazzy · 04-19-2009, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by faire_jour

Careful, if you side with me even for a second, they might take away your Deaf badge.

Immature remark coming from you about us since u point they which mean me? U need to stop assume all Deaf people are they.. I just dont agree with many of your words when u led to believe that many of us are against CI. I am not against CI but I am against oral program. I consider it as a child abuse because of what I went thru first 6 years of my life and my parents were alike you and ididot of you telling us that you think u know about our lives. Stop believe Rick or any other who their kids may be better than me and others who went thru hell. I am damaged because people are like you to believe this and brainwashed my parents and still do this day. I would not be surprise when your child will come up and turned it against you when she reach my age, later in life. Take care I am done with you.

jillio · 04-19-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

The Lounge thread: Whatever you feel like......... Anything goes! Part XIV

faire_jour · 04-19-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jazzy

Immature remark coming from you about us since u point they which mean me? U need to stop assume all Deaf people are they.. I just dont agree with many of your words when u led to believe that many of us are against CI. I am not against CI but I am against oral program. I consider it as a child abuse because of what I went thru first 6 years of my life and my parents were alike you and ididot of you telling us that you think u know about our lives. Stop believe Rick or any other who their kids may be better than me and others who went thru hell. I am damaged because people are like you to believe this and brainwashed my parents and still do this day. I would not be surprise when your child will come up and turned it against you when she reach my age, later in life. Take care I am done with you.

How many times do I have to say that "MY DAUGHTER USES ASL AND WILL FOR THE REST OF HER LIFE"????
I am not advocating against ASL, I am against close-mindedness.

Let me be perfectly clear for the 1000000000th time.

I BELIEVE ALL CHILDREN WITH ANY HEARING LOSS SHOULD HAVE ASL FROM BIRTH.

Clear yet?

That being said, I do not believe that parents who do not use ASL are abusive, I don't look down on mainstreamers and I don't think that SEE is going to scramble a child's brain. I don't know these kids, so it is not my place to make a decision for them.

**Cheri** · 04-19-2009, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

The Lounge thread: Whatever you feel like......... Anything goes! Part XIV

Your point is?

If you must know what I'm laughing about. I was laughing at the comment where she said she that they will take away my deaf badge. I thought that line of her comment was funny.

jillio · 04-19-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by faire_jour

You just said that SEE is not appropriate. So, if a parent chooses to sign SEE instead of ASL, they are still wrong.

Please show me where I said they were "wrong." Again, you are attempting to insert meaning that was not there.

jillio · 04-19-2009, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

Your point is?

If you must know what I'm laughing about. I was laughing at the comment where she said she that they will take away my deaf badge. I thought that line of her comment was funny.

My point was clear. And she said they would take away your Deaf badge, not your deaf badge.

**Cheri** · 04-19-2009, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

My point was clear. And she said they would take away your Deaf badge, not your deaf badge.

Oh, I wasn't paying attention to the capital letter "D", until you pointed that out

Being capital D or small d doesn't make a differences to me. I'm

either way.

**shel90** · 04-19-2009, 02:05 PM

Back to topic...my mom has expressed her regrets for not putting me in a signing environment especially in the educational system cuz she saw how much more content I am with who iam after I learned ASL.I told her not to worry about it cuz what's done has been done. She was happy when I told her that I do advocate for the children.

jillio · 04-19-2009, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

Oh, I wasn't paying attention to the capital letter "D", until you pointed that out

Being capital D or small d doesn't make a differences to me. I'm

either way.

Cool.

Lighthouse77 · 04-19-2009, 02:47 PM

My mom once told me that she used to take me (I was just a preschool at the time) and my sister to a deaf group... for awhile she thought it would be good for us to have some deaf friends and maybe learn some ASL. Then she discovered that most of the people there were depressed all the time and she didn't like her kids exposed to that. So she never went back and never encourage ASL since. So she decided to follow our audiologist suggestion, don't teach us ASL.

flip · 04-19-2009, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by faire_jour

"Done to your child"? What is that supposed to mean?

You are wrong, science has not shown that there is one single way to educate a deaf child. There are pros and cons to every choice.

It's seldom wise to go against experts when raising a child for some obvious reasons. The way Rick expresses himself, going against common sense and science is worrysome. I really hope other parents don't follow his example. It also sounds like Rick are unsure if he did the right thing, by the way he repeats himself.

I did not say it's a single way to educate a child? Rick made some wild statements, for example:

"The truth is that(language delays) it is a subjective term..".

Making claims like this is common for paranoid schizophrenics.

A cause of conflict seems to be that not many deaf people take this claim serious when parents choose oralism, while you wish this was a valid reason:
"each child is different, there is no one method for each and every child and the parents usually know their child better than anyone else."

Must be horrible to be surrounded by this nasty deafhood, telling you that "your children are belong to us".

faire_jour · 04-19-2009, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by flip

It's seldom wise to go against experts when raising a child for some obvious reasons. The way Rick expresses himself, going against common sense and science is worrysome. I really hope other parents don't follow his example. It also sounds like Rick are unsure if he did the right thing, by the way he repeats himself.

I did not say it's a single way to educate a child? Rick made some wild statements, for example:

"The truth is that(language delays) it is a subjective term..".

Making claims like this is common for paranoid schizophrenics.

A cause of conflict seems to be that not many deaf people take this claim serious when parents choose oralism, while you wish this was a valid reason:
"each child is different, there is no one method for each and every child and the parents usually know their child better than anyone else."

Must be horrible to be surrounded by this nasty deafhood, telling you that "your children are belong to us".

What is that supposed to mean?

It is subjective. Some children have a delay of 3 months, others 5 years. There is a huge difference.

faire_jour · 04-19-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by flip

It's seldom wise to go against experts when raising a child for some obvious reasons. The way Rick expresses himself, going against common sense and science is worrysome. I really hope other parents don't follow his example. It also sounds like Rick are unsure if he did the right thing, by the way he repeats himself.

I did not say it's a single way to educate a child? Rick made some wild statements, for example:

"The truth is that(language delays) it is a subjective term..".

Making claims like this is common for paranoid schizophrenics.

A cause of conflict seems to be that not many deaf people take this claim serious when parents choose oralism, while you wish this was a valid reason:
"each child is different, there is no one method for each and every child and the parents usually know their child better than anyone else."

Must be horrible to be surrounded by this nasty deafhood, telling you that "your children are belong to us".

And isn't this only true IF the child decides to join the Deaf community as an adult. There are many deaf people that don't.

faire_jour · 04-19-2009, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by flip

It's seldom wise to go against experts when raising a child for some obvious reasons. The way Rick expresses himself, going against common sense and science is worrysome. I really hope other parents don't follow his example. It also sounds like Rick are unsure if he did the right thing, by the way he repeats himself.

I did not say it's a single way to educate a child? Rick made some wild statements, for example:

"The truth is that(language delays) it is a subjective term..".

Making claims like this is common for paranoid schizophrenics.

A cause of conflict seems to be that not many deaf people take this claim serious when parents choose oralism, while you wish this was a valid reason:
"each child is different, there is no one method for each and every child and the parents usually know their child better than anyone else."

Must be horrible to be surrounded by this nasty deafhood, telling you that "your children are belong to us".

Quick Statistics [NIDCD Health Information]

I believe it says that more than 36 million adults have a hearing loss but ASL is only used by 500,000.

http://gri.gallaudet.edu/Presentations/2004-04-07-1.pdf

jillio · 04-19-2009, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by faire_jour

What is that supposed to mean?

It is subjective. Some children have a delay of 3 months, others 5 years. There is a huge difference.

That isn't subjective. That is quantified. Perhaps you should refresh yourself on the concept of subjective.

jillio · 04-19-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by faire_jour

Quick Statistics [NIDCD Health Information]

I believe it says that more than 36 million adults have a hearing loss but ASL is only used by 500,000.

http://gri.gallaudet.edu/Presentations/2004-04-07-1.pdf

What exactly does that have to do with deaf children and language acquisition? Included in the number of deaf adults are those that have been adventitously deafened. And more and more of them are learning ASL. Just check around this forum for real life examples.

jillio · 04-19-2009, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by faire_jour

And isn't this only true IF the child decides to join the Deaf community as an adult. There are many deaf people that don't.

And there are many who do. Again, just look around this forum for some real life examples. Their stories are everywhere. And they are a representative sample.

deafdyke · 04-19-2009, 06:47 PM

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I am not against CI but I am against oral program. I consider it as a child abuse because of what I went thru first 6 years of my life and my parents were alike you and ididot of you telling us that you think u know about our lives. Stop believe Rick or any other who their kids may be better than me and others who went thru hell. I am damaged because people are like you to believe this and brainwashed my parents and still do this day. I would not be surprise when your child will come up and turned it against you when she reach my age, later in life

if oral programs became more openminded about the use of ASL....like they encouraged the aquastistion of oral skills, as part of a full toolbox mentality, then Deaf people would be less against them. But the fact of the matter is that it's an unspoken attitude that ASL is "special needs" and if a kid "masters" oral skills, then they won't " need" ASL.

**shel90** · 04-19-2009, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by deafdyke

if oral programs became more openminded about the use of ASL....like they encouraged the aquastistion of oral skills, as part of a full toolbox mentality, then Deaf people would be less against them. But the fact of the matter is that it's an unspoken attitude that ASL is "special needs" and if a kid "masters" oral skills, then they won't " need" ASL.

Exactly..it is the attitudes and viewpoints behind them and the organizations that many of us dislike.

**shel90** · 04-19-2009, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by faire_jour

And isn't this only true IF the child decides to join the Deaf community as an adult. There are many deaf people that don't.

What if they dont know about it, dont have the confidence especially if they arent fluent in sign language, or dont know how to find one?

I have a feeling that a majority of those numbers represent those who lost their hearing at an older age.

rick48 · 04-19-2009, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by flip

Trying to justify what you have done to your children, huh? Sorry, but science have proved you wrong.

Justify what flippy? Proven me wrong how flippy?

We have raised a profoundly deaf child with a ci who is about to grduate college, has a job and is probably going to Grad school next year but most of all is happy, well adjusted and living and loving proof of how wrong you are flippy.

rick48 · 04-19-2009, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

I don't think that anyone has said that the majority of CI users are "failures". As a matter of fact, I don't apply the term "failure" to any child. I do however, apply it to outmoded educational philosophies that have failed deaf students again and again.

Nor has anyone ever claimed that there aren't exceptions. However, they are known as exceptions because what is true for them is not true for the majority.

The problem for you is that they are not exceptions but the norm for ci kids and you just cannot stand it.

You keep harping on the "majority" this and and that for education and we keep telling you that our concerns are with our children and what is best for them. We are not raising and educating the "majority" of deaf children but our own individual and unique child.

rick48 · 04-19-2009, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by doubletrouble

Here we go again... why is it that we simply agree to disagree. Despite what others may say, I have personally seen many, many CI children who are successful in their enviroment. That's a fact. Rick's daughter is one of them and back then, he chose the road less travelled. Stop saying that majority of CI users are failures- because they aren't. At least not around here... and I know that this is going to be fodder for Jillio and Shel, by my Deaf nephew- who has two parents who sign ASL( they are Deaf) involved with the Deaf community, implanted their children at a relatively young age have deaf brothers and cousins and aunts and uncles, told his mother the other day at the age of 8, that he's not deaf- he is not the same as his mother- he can hear with his implants on and is only deaf when he takes them off. So here is an example of a child who is clearly immersed in the Deaf community and yet doesn't identify himself as D but d.

DT,

Thanks it was definitely then the road less traveled but no longer is but it has been a great road filled with many wonderful people who far out number the negative people.
Rick

rick48 · 04-19-2009, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

and rick48 (you too.

)

Thanks Cheri!

**shel90** · 04-19-2009, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by doubletrouble

Here we go again... why is it that we simply agree to disagree. Despite what others may say, I have personally seen many, many CI children who are successful in their enviroment. That's a fact. Rick's daughter is one of them and back then, he chose the road less travelled. Stop saying that majority of CI users are failures- because they aren't. At least not around here... and I know that this is going to be fodder for Jillio and Shel, by my Deaf nephew- who has two parents who sign ASL( they are Deaf) involved with the Deaf community, implanted their children at a relatively young age have deaf brothers and cousins and aunts and uncles, told his mother the other day at the age of 8, that he's not deaf- he is not the same as his mother- he can hear with his implants on and is only deaf when he takes them off. So here is an example of a child who is clearly immersed in the Deaf community and yet doesn't identify himself as D but d.

Your child has the best of both...since u brought my name up...that is all I want for all deaf children. To have the best of both so I dont know what the problem is? I just dont agree with the view that ASL shouldnt be allowed in the child's life and putting children in an educational setting where they dont have equal access with their hearing peers.

rick48 · 04-19-2009, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by flip

It's seldom wise to go against experts when raising a child for some obvious reasons. The way Rick expresses himself, going against common sense and science is worrysome. I really hope other parents don't follow his example. It also sounds like Rick are unsure if he did the right thing, by the way he repeats himself.

I did not say it's a single way to educate a child? Rick made some wild statements, for example:

"The truth is that(language delays) it is a subjective term..".

Making claims like this is common for paranoid schizophrenics.

A cause of conflict seems to be that not many deaf people take this claim serious when parents choose oralism, while you wish this was a valid reason:
"each child is different, there is no one method for each and every child and the parents usually know their child better than anyone else."

Must be horrible to be surrounded by this nasty deafhood, telling you that "your children are belong to us".

No flippy nothing horrible about it. I have been dealing with the likes of people like you for the past 20 years and when you run out of arguments you always lower yourself to the ones that you have used in your post flippy. Do not worry, I have already reported your post to the mods flippy.

**Jolie77** · 04-19-2009, 07:27 PM

Mod's Note:

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