shel90

There are many CI users who have had CIs since their toddler years, one of them being my son's 3 year old friend, that I know who werent able to get more than environment sounds...so they didnt fall into that category.

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faire_jour

This one is about adults:
Evidence of a Tonotopic Organization of the Auditory Cortex in Cochlear Implant Users -- Guiraud et al. 27 (29): 7838 -- Journal of Neuroscience

chris' mom

I am a hearing parent with two hearing children and one HOH child. I have elected to teach my children ASL. I am not by any means good at it and just learning but I have noticed my son's verbal as increased from nothing to something since adding ASL. He does wear HA and since I have other verbal children he is also getting verbal. Just a second ago he came up and tried to talk to me I couldn't understand him for the life of me and then he did the sign to turn off the light. I was told by many people not to teach him sign, but I feel that since his hearing won't get better the only thing it'll do is go down hill. I don't want him to be 20 years old and not have a way to communicate. In Aug. 2008 he was at the mild moderate point last week he is more moderate. Just my two cents.

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shel90

By solely focusing on the auditory aspect of all deaf children is just gonna continue the problem we have had for decades...

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faire_jour

Right, they would not be part of that group.

shel90

So that's why it is important that all aspects are taken into consideration with deaf children regardless what goes in and out their ears...that kind of view has hurted us in the past and will continue to do if it is continued.

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faire_jour

Also, I would tell the parents of those children to look into why they are not getting better benefit from their CI's. Perhaps they need better MAPs, different processing strategies. It is unusual for a child with a CI to be unable to hear into the "speech banana".

shel90

I am just glad that my friend is not making her daughter's ears the only thing about her cuz I know what it is liek to grow up when everything I do is all about my ability to speak or ability to understand hearing people..it is not a fun way to live. It was the reason why my self esteem was completely destroyed. I thought if I could "hear" better, everyone would stop criticizing me or pushing me constantly.

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faire_jour

Didn't say it should be the only thing, but if you are going to put your child through surgery, you should at least do the necessary follow up to get your child the most benefit possible.

jillio

I didn't say it, Marsharck did.

Another quote from Marsharck's considerable psychological research:

The spoken language±sign language controversy has not gone away. Following more than 100 years of spoken language dominance in deaf education (led early on by Alexander Graham Bell, e.g., 1898/2005); however, recognition that signed languages were ``true'' languages, beginning in the 1960s (Stokoe, 1960/ 2005), led to their scientific study and their renewed use in educational settings. Importantly, today as 100 years ago, most deaf children have hearing parents who generally lack good sign skills or other means to effectively communicate with them. In the absence of access to early communication and language despite intensive ``oral'' training, most deaf children thus enter school with language delays of up to 2 years, and these lags often become greater with age (Geers, 2006). To early investigators who observed such delays (e.g., Pintner & Patterson, 1916, 1917), it often appeared that the lack of spoken language was
the cause of academic and intellectual challengesÐnot that it was the failure to acquire appropriate language skills in any mode that created barriers to deaf children's learning. Indeed, there was ample evidence then (see Lang, 2003) and there is now (see Marschark et al., 2002) that natural signed languages (like American Sign Language [ASL], Italian Sign Language [LIS], and British Sign Language [BSL]) can provide deaf children with normal developmental trajectories and academic achievement. Yet, only about 25% of deaf children develop intelligible speech (Beattie, 2006; Cole & Paterson, 1984), and specific difficulties with spoken languageÐand with speech-dependent literacy skills (Traxler, 2000) led to considerable difficulty in assessing deaf children's intellectual functioning using traditional tests and measurements.

Marsharck, M. (2006). Intellectual functioning of deaf adults and children: questions and answers. European Journal of Cognitive Psychology. 18(1), 70-89.

jillio

You have provided an abstract. No where in the abstract does it state that conclusions reached were that CI implanted children's brains more closely resembled the brains of hearing children. Therefore, I am still waiting for research that will support that claim.

shel90

Your child , your decision..

I just have seen that pattern happen with so many of us, including today's deaf children..

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faire_jour

But I'm saying that many children do not have an "absence of early communication".
There are many that are arriving at Kindergarten, NOT delayed.

jillio

Research says otherwise. Hearing speech and discriminating speech are two different things.

faire_jour

This article is about adults, as I stated. You need to access the entire article, as I have.

faire_jour

And I said hearing speech, i.e. hearing thresholds at 45 db or lower.

jillio

If it is about adults, it cannot be used in any way to support your claim regarding the statement that early implanted children have brains that more closely resemble the brains of hearing children.

Still waiting.

faire_jour

And I told you I would find it. I actually intend to show my proof, whereas you simply say "Look yourself".

jillio

Your assumption is wrong. I stay up to date on all of the research regarding deaf children.

shel90

Deaf children's lives should not be just about being able to "hear" because hearing children do not live their lives like that...

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faire_jour

The adults who have only had a CI for a few months, their brains reorganize more like a hearing person. That is the whole point of the article. Young children's brains are more pliable and are organizing rather than re-organizing.

jillio

The research I have quoted states quite clearly that the average delay is 2 years. Unless a child has had access to language from birth in a mode that they are capable of processing, there will be a delay.

faire_jour

So you have read the articles I am refering to! Good, now I don't need to find them.

shel90

It seems that being deaf is such a terrible thing, isnt it? Why is the ultimate goal is to become like hearing people? Are hearing people the gods of this universe or what? Get so sick and tired of being measured up to hearing people as if we are inferior. Oh brother..no wonder some people in the Deaf community despite hearing people in general cuz of that attitude and view.

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faire_jour

What was the date on the data quoted for the 2 year delay? I saw dates as early as the 80's in the quoted piece.

faire_jour

It is not an attitude or view. I am simply paraphrasing the research.

jillio

I haven't read any articles that support the claim that a child implanted early has a brain that more closely resembles that of a hearing child, and I read research and texts on a daily basis. Perhaps, since you have already used an abstract that you quite obviously misinterpreted, you are simply not understanding the research.

shel90

Yea, that's the attitude the CI circle and organizations that support CIs probably has...it makes me sick.

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jillio

Hearing is not discriminating. It is not useful to simply perceive a sound if one cannot discriminate that sound.

faire_jour

I am a member of CiCircle and I do not have that attitude. I support CI's and I don't believe that. There are many people that believe in CI's but do not believe that the Deaf are inferior. That would be believing my child inferior, and that would never happen!
I know several families who actively support and "advertise" CI's but also use ASL.