Cued Speech: your opinion?

InnocentOdion · 04-20-2008, 01:55 PM

Hey!

I've just been watching some stuff on cued speech, and I've noticed there's a few threads here and there, so I thought I would ask.

What are people's opinions on cued speech? Does anyone use it here?

I've just been watching some stuff on it. It looks really difficult and slow, but it looks like it could be useful for some people. I don't really like it much though.

I'd like to know if anyone thinks it's easier than just lipreading, too.

There's something else, but I've forgot.

I'll ask if I remember it.

all!

loml · 04-20-2008, 02:03 PM

InnocentOdion:

CS is used in the UK. This is the web-site. Cued Speech for the deaf

deafdyke · 04-20-2008, 07:09 PM

I think its helpful, but it's helpful more as a secondary method, rather then a primary method. It's a good "bridge" for teaching kids phonetics through a visual medium.

shel90 · 04-20-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by deafdyke

I think its helpful, but it's helpful more as a secondary method, rather then a primary method. It's a good "bridge" for teaching kids phonetics through a visual medium.

I agree with u.

jillio · 04-20-2008, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

I agree with u.

Make that 3.

deafskeptic · 04-21-2008, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Make that 3.

Ha, ha, I fourth that.

Aleser · 04-21-2008, 05:07 AM

I know how to cue 'at' someone- it's very easy to learn, but it takes quite a while to make the handshapes match up to anything resembling normal speaking speeds.

I think it's a viable option in terms of aiding speech-reading, but I also believe that sign should be any child's first and primary language.

Cued speech still assumes pretty good speech-reading skills, which takes time to develop- time that could be devoted to childhood.

That said, loml has more or less made me hate cueing in general, so I'm biased.

deafskeptic · 04-21-2008, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Aleser

That said, loml has more or less made me hate cueing in general, so I'm biased.

LOL. If I didn't know better, I would swear it's Loml's mission to turn us off on cued speech.

Cloggy · 04-21-2008, 04:16 PM

For me, I wish I would have known about Cued Speech when our (deaf-) daughter was born. However, CS is not used in Holland, nor Norway.. so we didn't hear about it..
But I can understand the appeal of BSL. Learning a new, exciting language is a wonderful experience, and with many BSL-user around you, it would be an obvious choice.

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Originally Posted by InnocentOdion

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I've just been watching some stuff on it. It looks really difficult and slow, but it looks like it could be useful for some people. I don't really like it much though.
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Difficult..? - In 20 hours / lessons, someone can learn CS, in the sense that they can cue any word they want. Speed comes with training....
Slow..? - CS can be done at the speed of speech. CS doesn't need to translate. It transliterates.

BSL will require more time to learn, and it's a different language, so one needs translation.

Chase · 04-21-2008, 04:33 PM

I'm so glad cued speech helps some people. It goes back to the old line, "Different strokes for different folks."

Of the samples I've seen by even practiced cuers, I find it distracting to reading lips. It ranks right up there with covering the mouth while talking, continually nodding for emphasis, or giving me profiles of the face while speaking to me.

When speakers do any of the above, I ask for the reasonable accommadation to try for less distractions and a more direct angle. If they won't comply, I ask that they write to me if they can't sign.

I realize I'm not the perfect candidate for cued speech, but my considered opinion is it's not for me.

Interpretrator · 04-21-2008, 04:36 PM

It's another tool in the toolbox and if a kid responds well to it and acquires language naturally, then I'm all in favor of it.

loml · 04-21-2008, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Interpretrator

It's another tool in the toolbox and if a kid responds well to it and acquires language naturally, then I'm all in favor of it.

Interpretrator - exactly!

Interpretrator · 04-22-2008, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by loml

Interpretrator - exactly!

That's always been my position despite what you think.

jillio · 04-22-2008, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Interpretrator

That's always been my position despite what you think.

And mine, as well, Interpretator. I just haven't seen any empirical evidence supporting natural language acquisition via CS.

deafdyke · 04-22-2008, 11:19 PM

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That said, loml has more or less made me hate cueing in general,

*spits out Decaf Diet Coke* You owe me a new monitor.
I really do think that they should use it in English classes for dhh kids. Exactly like using phonetics or Hooked on Phonics. However, I do not think that they should use it as a PRIMARY form of communication, especially since folks who only cue are overall pretty rare.

Cloggy · 04-24-2008, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

And mine, as well, Interpretator. I just haven't seen any empirical evidence supporting natural language acquisition via CS.

Nor have you seen anything to the contrary.....

jillio · 04-24-2008, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloggy

Nor have you seen anything to the contrary.....

Why yes, cloggy, actually I have.

rockdrummer · 04-24-2008, 01:52 PM

Correct me if I am wrong but I think that CS also aids in speechreading.

Cheri · 04-24-2008, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rockdrummer

Correct me if I am wrong but I think that CS also aids in speechreading.

Somewhat.. I had CS when I was young.

jillio · 04-24-2008, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rockdrummer

Correct me if I am wrong but I think that CS also aids in speechreading.

To remove the ambiguity from speech reading is the function for which it was designed. However, there are those deaf who will tell you they actually find it distracting and it interferes with their ability to speech read.

Cheri · 04-24-2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

To remove the ambiguity from speech reading is the function for which it was designed. However, there are those deaf who will tell you they actually find it distracting and it interferes with their ability to speech read.

Huh? Who told you that?

jillio · 04-24-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

Huh? Who told you that?

I can name two people on this board that have told me that, for starters. However, it is not my place to do so. They can speak for themselves, or their posts can be found.

rockdrummer · 04-24-2008, 03:10 PM

I don't mean CS while speaking. What I mean is that CS aided in the ablilty to speechread.

Boult · 04-24-2008, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rockdrummer

I don't mean CS while speaking. What I mean is that CS aided in the ablilty to speechread.

RD, Life of the Hard of Hearing: Why was cued speech chosen over ASL?

loml · 04-24-2008, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rockdrummer

Correct me if I am wrong but I think that CS also aids in speechreading.

rockdrummer - Yes it does, certainly not Dr. Cornetts' orginal intent, but a beneficial bonus!

If you wish I can provide you with detail about this.

Wokamuka · 04-24-2008, 06:20 PM

My mother and I had gone down to Hersheypark for "Deaf Day" a while back. Out of the blue, this lady - full of energy and giddiness - started talking to us with Cued Speech.

My mother and I looked at each other with blank expressions. We'd tried to talk back to her and, when that didn't work, we spoke clearly and slowly . . .

We felt as much fools as we'd thought she did.

It was a very short exchange and we didn't get anywhere - even when it was "sign language" in both respects.

04-20-2008, 01:55 PM	#1 (permalink)
InnocentOdion HOH and learnin' sign! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: England, United Kingdom Posts: 160	Cued Speech: your opinion? Hey! I've just been watching some stuff on cued speech, and I've noticed there's a few threads here and there, so I thought I would ask. What are people's opinions on cued speech? Does anyone use it here? I've just been watching some stuff on it. It looks really difficult and slow, but it looks like it could be useful for some people. I don't really like it much though. I'd like to know if anyone thinks it's easier than just lipreading, too. There's something else, but I've forgot. I'll ask if I remember it. all!

04-21-2008, 05:07 AM	#7 (permalink)
Aleser Woosh. Yes, Woosh. Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 422	I know how to cue 'at' someone- it's very easy to learn, but it takes quite a while to make the handshapes match up to anything resembling normal speaking speeds. I think it's a viable option in terms of aiding speech-reading, but I also believe that sign should be any child's first and primary language. Cued speech still assumes pretty good speech-reading skills, which takes time to develop- time that could be devoted to childhood. That said, loml has more or less made me hate cueing in general, so I'm biased. __________________ "I swear by my life, and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."

04-21-2008, 04:33 PM	#10 (permalink)
Chase Retired on ex-mod pension Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Albany, Oregon Posts: 2,066	I'm so glad cued speech helps some people. It goes back to the old line, "Different strokes for different folks." Of the samples I've seen by even practiced cuers, I find it distracting to reading lips. It ranks right up there with covering the mouth while talking, continually nodding for emphasis, or giving me profiles of the face while speaking to me. When speakers do any of the above, I ask for the reasonable accommadation to try for less distractions and a more direct angle. If they won't comply, I ask that they write to me if they can't sign. I realize I'm not the perfect candidate for cued speech, but my considered opinion is it's not for me. Last edited by Chase; 04-21-2008 at 06:02 PM.

04-24-2008, 06:20 PM	#26 (permalink)
Wokamuka 1.20.09 : end of an error Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 865	My mother and I had gone down to Hersheypark for "Deaf Day" a while back. Out of the blue, this lady - full of energy and giddiness - started talking to us with Cued Speech. My mother and I looked at each other with blank expressions. We'd tried to talk back to her and, when that didn't work, we spoke clearly and slowly . . . We felt as much fools as we'd thought she did. It was a very short exchange and we didn't get anywhere - even when it was "sign language" in both respects. __________________

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04-20-2008, 07:09 PM	#3 (permalink)
deafdyke So NOT a Princess! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Trebekistan Posts: 6,321	I think its helpful, but it's helpful more as a secondary method, rather then a primary method. It's a good "bridge" for teaching kids phonetics through a visual medium.

04-21-2008, 04:36 PM	#11 (permalink)
Interpretrator Crime fighter Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,409	It's another tool in the toolbox and if a kid responds well to it and acquires language naturally, then I'm all in favor of it.

04-24-2008, 01:52 PM	#18 (permalink)
rockdrummer Weapon of Mass Percussion Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Chicago suburbs Posts: 2,346	Correct me if I am wrong but I think that CS also aids in speechreading.

04-24-2008, 03:10 PM	#23 (permalink)
rockdrummer Weapon of Mass Percussion Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Chicago suburbs Posts: 2,346	I don't mean CS while speaking. What I mean is that CS aided in the ablilty to speechread.