jillio

Here is what gets me: the line about educators being open to trying something new!Good Lord, CS is 40 years old, it was tried, and found to be relatively inneffective when compared to other methods, and at the age of 40, can hardly be considered to be new.

Even the Clerc Center is offering workshops on Visual Phonics rather than CS. Now there is something that is new and innovative and show promise.

Cueing was not developed as a system for the family. It was developed to improve receptive skills in oral English (i.e. speech reading) for the deaf individual so that literacy rates would improve. Convenience for the parents is simply a selling point that is being used since the attempt to revive a system that is at death's door.

Quite frankly, you have done a great job answering the questions posed.

Deafness

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shel90

Because I am such a terrible person..I am gonna go off topic again. Visual phonics was brought up at my work today and our reading specialists are going to attend a workshop about it to learn more about it. If it is something that we can use, then sure, why not?

Everyone can slap me for going off-topic. Yes, I am so awful!

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loml

Shel90 - When suggestions are made on how to use CS, in an incorrect, ill informed, inexperienced manner, that is negating the system, imo.

Elimination of ASL, no (not sure how you came to that conclusion, care to explain?) I think CS and ASL should be used in deaf education.

Shel90 - I am not aware of any such familes.

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shel90

That's why I asked about elimination of ASL...u answered. Thank u.

U have been lucky to be exposed to families who have been consistent with it. People who have worked in CS programs before told me that there has been some families who have been consistent with it and some who havent...just like with sign language. I believe them because it was their experience and I am not going to be the one who tells them they are wrong.

Family Education at my school is investigating CS now but since I dont work in that dept, I dont know what's happening because they are in a different building under different supervision. I work in elementary education dealing with the students primarily. I cant help it if most of the students came from mainstreamed programs in which other kinds of methodologies have been used with them which didnt work for them and I, and other teachers have to do remedial work. The kids who have been in our program since babies are the ones performing higher than those who have been referred to our program at an older age.

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jillio

Blame it on me. I'm the one that brought up Visual Phonics. It actually shows great promises because it addresses issues that CS fails to address and takes into account that knowing how a word is pronounced is not the key to literacy.

And I might add that unless one is involved with the students on a daily basis, and has continual contact with the parents of that child over an extended period of time, one does not know whether any system is being used consistenly within the family, nor whether it will continue to be used when a longitudinal perspective is taken. But put someone in a room that is trained to assess the consistency at home along with making inference regarding parental compliance based on many things other than a parent saying "I use it at home", a more complete and accurate picture is obtained. And consistency must be applied to using the system at all times in the child's presence, and not just when speaking directly to that child. Incidental exposure to language is impaired unless it is used every time a word is spoken in that child's presence whether it is direct communitcation with that child or not.

loml

shel90- Are you suggesting that because some "experts" from Gally(the same University that has an obvious bias to communication/language options & heirarchy), would look from a positive perspective on the system of Cued Speech? No offense intended, but that is very naive, imo.

I am well aware of where, when and who is/was involved with CS at Gally.

You have yet to answer my questions of why you believe that a person needs to know English, prior to using CS. Can you explain you position please.

Thanks.

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loml

shel90 - I do not dispute what people have told you. Success in anything comes down to individuals having the correct foundation to build from and dedication to the goal. Simply because there are experiences that were not positive does not mean the cueing is not a successful tool for literacy/communication prior to having language base.

I have seen children struggling with aquiring English. I have seen how children "have" language but cannot hold a disccussion about what they have just read.

I do not believe in making literacy in English an overwhelming and daunting learning process.

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jillio

Funny! Several times in the past you have claimed Gally as the birth place of CS, and referred to the fact that Cornett was a professor at Gally as support for CS, and the fact that it came from the deaf insitution and ASL users. Now, when someone else references that fact to show that support is not a prevalent at Gally as you have protrayed, you discount and negate the fact that it came from that insitution. You might want to keep in mind, as well, the Cornett was a math professor. Linguitics were outside his field of expertise. Perhaps that is the reason that CS failed.

Why a person needs to know English has been stated not just by Shel, but by numerous other posters on this forum that are of the same opinion. Constantly repeating the question is not going to change the answers. Just because you have not gotten the answers you want does not mean that the questions have not been answered.