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Cueing is a "body and mind" experience. Having book knowledge about anything in life does not equate to first hand/ hands on experience. Learning by doing is the only way to learn, imo. We are all individuals and we will take from a hands on experience learning opportunity what we choose. I have yet to meet any individual deaf/hoh or hearing, who has chosen not to acknowledge/feel that "ah haw moment" of cueing. Cueing for me is about literacy and improving the quality of education. The sharing of information about a tool that can/does make the learning process of English easier, in a world where there are many obstacles, is paramount to me.
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I think many people here forget that we are trained in this field and we have been trained to evaluate several systems. We cant promote a system that has been shown not to increase literacy levels of a population or that will make us just as responsible for the failure of the system. However, I think CS is good as a teaching tool not as a promotion for language development.
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Linguistics classes helped me understand the structure and roots of language development. It was hard to get there cuz at first, I didnt understand it at all but once I started applying it, it was like a light bulb went off.
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Exactly. To promote a system that has does not have proven efficacy is unethical. |
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That was your "Ah,ha" moment. You already knew from experience that oral only was not the best way to promote language acquisition. Then, the knowledge gained from your linguiistics classseslet you understand why what you already knew was true.
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And that is exactly why I wouldnt promote the oral-only approach to deaf children even though I was successful with it. I don't have blinders on and I wont use myself as a poster child to promote the oralism methodology just cuz it worked for me (to a degree).
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CS has and continues to improve literacy levels of its users. If you think that CS is a good teaching tool, then exactly what is it a "good teaching tool" for and why?
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If I said that, yes that would make me pompous but I didnt say that so by reading too much into my words and making assumptions based on your interpretations without asking for clarification from me is pretty pompous. Anyways..CS has been available for 40 years and why hasnt the literacy issues of deaf children improved if CS was the answer? U are the expert in CS so can u answer that? I think it works as a teaching tool to guide with reading if the student has a good grasp of language first. The key word here is "think" meaning it is my opinion, not a fact. Big difference, loml. In my orginal statement, u see the key word, right? Nobody has to follow my opinion, right? However, u are stating that it has improved literacy so it must be a fact. So, why arent many of us are still struggling with literacy if the system has been in use for 40 years?
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shel90 - What does Quote:
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AAACCK! I got BORGED!
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shel90- Which has nothing to do with the op.
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Opps, I went off topic..I am not perfect. Life is too short to sweat the small stuff so if it really bothers u, report me.
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It's like those informercials on television... "RESULTS VARY". It varies on the individual and how they're taught.
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Attitude is not a good answer. It still doesnt give me a good answer to my question. Too general. Ok, then if it is attitude then u are saying that those deaf children who werent able to benefit from CS because of their attitude? See what I mean? This answer is just too general..attitude of who? The parents? The educators? The students? U called me pompous because it appears that I am under the impression that I am the only one trained here. U either said it or didnt say it...but u did use those words, so your words, not mine. How u interpreted them, up to u but please take responsiblity for how you interpreted them instead of going around and trying to put the responsibility on me. We all interpret each other's post incorrectly sometimes but it would be nice if we take responsibility for our misinterpretation instead of blaming it on the other person. If u want clarification, the reason I said what I said in my orginal statement was in response to why we cant promote CS as the approach to use because in our training, we evaluated the research and talked to experts in who have had experience with CS and they all agreed that it hasnt been proven to solve the literacy issues in Deaf ed. By saying it is because of attitude is giving me the impression that you are putting the blame on others instead of the system itself. But then again, I asked first before making assumptions on the meaning of your answer. If my response is not good enough for you, then maybe nothing I say will be good enough for u which is fine and might as well end our debate before we go in circles again.
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and loml, I wanted to add...by saying I think doesnt mean that I am right and I have room for learning more about the subject in my opinion.
I know ASL is a language....that is a fact and there is nothing that will change my mind. I think ASL is a language...that's my opinon and there is room for me to possible change my opinion or learn more about it. Because I am seeing so much improvement with my students' literacy skills using the BiBi method, I am going to stick to it and not change it. Why fix it if it aint broken? However, if the kids' families at home want to use CS, their decision but since many of them arent consisent with the use of sign language in their home, it is more likely they wouldnt be consistent with CS. Remember, I told you that one teacher who used to work in the CS program at a public school told me that many of the parents werent consisent with using CS in the home?
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