Poll for Deaf People: Which sign language you use? ASL, PSE, SEE, etc... - Page 3

RedFox · 07-23-2008, 10:45 AM

I used all three. The word Deaf in the title is capitalized so hearing people who are culturally Deaf should be able to answer.

jillio · 07-23-2008, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jasin

The poll is for deafs. Please read the title: " Poll for Deaf People: Which sign language you use? ASL, PSE, SEE, etc."

The original thread discussing this topic was merged with the poll thread. It was not restricted to deaf only. Likewise, are you restricting your thread so that Deaf individuals are not permitted to answer? What about those hearing individuals whose native language is ASL? Is it your intent to discuss language, or to facillitate cultural divides?

Likewise, as you are not the originator of the poll, it is not your responsibility to define who is or is not permitted to post.

Bottesini · 07-23-2008, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

The original thread discussing this topic was merged with the poll thread. It was not restricted to deaf only. Likewise, are you restricting your thread so that Deaf individuals are not permitted to answer? What about those hearing individuals whose native language is ASL? Is it your intent to discuss language, or to facillitate cultural divides?

Likewise, as you are not the originator of the poll, it is not your responsibility to define who is or is not permitted to post.

I believe Jasin left alldeaf on July 20 at 2:17 pm.

jillio · 07-23-2008, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by lumbingmi

Jeebus. ASL is only language on the list while others are known as Manual Code of English (MCE) which means MCE is not language but rather as "code" for spoken language.

Technically, PSE is not an MCE. MCE is an invented system to convey spoken language, and includes SEE1 and SEE2. PSE can best be described as a naturally evolved, not created, syntax that is the result of culural and linguistic contact between Deaf and hearing cultures. That is what pigin languages are.

jillio · 07-23-2008, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

I believe Jasin left alldeaf on July 20 at 2:17 pm.

Oh, well. He's had extended absences before. He comes back.

Bottesini · 07-23-2008, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Oh, well. He's had extended absences before. He comes back.

Truly, I am glad to know that. He was pretty sad when he left.

jillio · 07-23-2008, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

Truly, I am glad to know that. He was pretty sad when he left.

Perhaps during his absence, he will learn to take resposnibility for those situations he creates that contribute to his own sadness.

jillio · 07-23-2008, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RedFox

I used all three. The word Deaf in the title is capitalized so hearing people who are culturally Deaf should be able to answer.

Thank you, Redfox. Hearing status is not the only criteria for membership in Deaf Culture. Nice to see that most people understand that.

Bottesini · 07-23-2008, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Perhaps during his absence, he will learn to take resposnibility for those situations he creates that contribute to his own sadness.

I agree. I kind of identify with him because I am not great at making friends either.

jillio · 07-23-2008, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by overthepond

Sorry SEE should read as SSE! I use SSE (Signing Supported Spoken English)

Sounds as if that is similar to the system that, in the States, we call "Simultaneous Communication", or Sim-Com for short.

jillio · 07-23-2008, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

I agree. I kind of identify with him because I am not great at making friends either.

Understood. The main difference would be that you also have a strong sense of personal responsibility for your own actions.

Cheri · 07-23-2008, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

The original thread discussing this topic was merged with the poll thread. It was not restricted to deaf only.

Go back and read the original first post; it says a poll for the deaf.

shel90 · 07-23-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

Go back and read the original first post; it says a poll for the deaf.

Look at posts # 31 and #35. Jillo already answered before it was merged so too late anyway. Cant hold her at fault for it, heh?

Cheri · 07-23-2008, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Look at posts # 31 and #35. Jillo already answered before it was merged so too late anyway. Cant hold her at fault for it, heh?

Are you saying that the moderator change the title of the thread and the creator's original first post after the moderator merged the other thread?

jillio · 07-23-2008, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

Go back and read the original first post; it says a poll for the deaf.

So, according to your logic, HOH would not be able to answer either. Looks to me kind of like spreading that "not deaf enough" way of thinking.

jillio · 07-23-2008, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

Are you saying that the moderator change the title of the thread and the creator's original first post after the moderator merged the other thread?

I don't see where she said that at all.

And, BTW....thanks, shel.

Cheri · 07-23-2008, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

So, according to your logic, HOH would not be able to answer either. Looks to me kind of like spreading that "not deaf enough" way of thinking.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Cheri · 07-23-2008, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

I don't see where she said that at all.

Can you see where I asked a question? I was asking for clarification, I was not quite sure I follow her. But, never mind that, I went to the previous page and found out what she was talking about. The point is that Jasin did not created this thread, he was trying to point out that this thread was a poll for the deaf, he might did not realized the merge of the other thread where you already had posted before the merge.

shel90 · 07-23-2008, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

Are you saying that the moderator change the title of the thread and the creator's original first post after the moderator merged the other thread?

No...just that there were two threads merged and Jillo answered in the one that wasnt titled "Deaf" only.

That's all.

jillio · 07-23-2008, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Of course you don't.

jillio · 07-23-2008, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

No...just that there were two threads merged and Jillo answered in the one that wasnt titled "Deaf" only.

That's all.

Bingo.

sabasushi2 · 08-01-2008, 02:55 AM

I picked PSE, since that's what I use, even with my hearing husband. You see, I grew up with SEE and then drifted off into PSE, which I see as a cross between ASL and SEE. For example, while I generally put signs in the same order as English, I don't use unnecessary words like "a", "the', "to" or tense endings. I guess you could say I sign using the grammar of The Incredible Hulk. ;-)

jillio · 08-01-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sabasushi2

I picked PSE, since that's what I use, even with my hearing husband. You see, I grew up with SEE and then drifted off into PSE, which I see as a cross between ASL and SEE. For example, while I generally put signs in the same order as English, I don't use unnecessary words like "a", "the', "to" or tense endings. I guess you could say I sign using the grammar of The Incredible Hulk. ;-)

Perfect example of the contact between cultures that created PSE.

Chase · 08-01-2008, 05:54 PM

Most AllDeaf members are certainly not "deaf enough." Okay, that's just sour grapes 'cause I can't hear a fire cracker under my chair, heh heh. I really do wish I were back to being hard-of-hearing. Life wasn't a bowl of cherries, but it was easier.

I hate to apply logic to the question posed, but I sign ASL to my sister and other deafies for whom it's their primary language. For most deafies and near-deafies who speak English, I use SEE.

I have no preference for either. Just like when we write, it's our audience that should dictate the medium.

BrainDork · 08-04-2008, 06:10 PM

ASL and PSE... Voted mixture.

When I voice and sign... it leans more toward PSE... when I just sign it leans more towards ASL with some PSE involved.... Growing up in the hearing culture and learning that SEE is just not my personal choice of sign made me realize that I love PSE.

Blackpaws76 · 08-13-2008, 01:15 PM

I used all. I grew up with SEE - it helped me lot with my writing... then Now I use ASL / PSE

***VamPyroX*** · 08-20-2008, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Blackpaws76

View Poll Results: Poll for Deaf people. Which sign language you use?
ASL	26	40.63%
SEE	8	12.50%
PSE	7	10.94%
Mixture	23	35.94%
Voters: 64. You may not vote on this poll

08-13-2008, 01:15 PM	#86 (permalink)
Blackpaws76 Newbie and Loving It Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 97	I used all. I grew up with SEE - it helped me lot with my writing... then Now I use ASL / PSE __________________ . Deaf and HOH Love & Dating

07-23-2008, 10:45 AM	#61 (permalink)
RedFox Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Bellows Falls, VT Posts: 1,195	I used all three. The word Deaf in the title is capitalized so hearing people who are culturally Deaf should be able to answer.

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08-01-2008, 02:55 AM	#82 (permalink)
sabasushi2 Somewhere in Houston, TX Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 29	I picked PSE, since that's what I use, even with my hearing husband. You see, I grew up with SEE and then drifted off into PSE, which I see as a cross between ASL and SEE. For example, while I generally put signs in the same order as English, I don't use unnecessary words like "a", "the', "to" or tense endings. I guess you could say I sign using the grammar of The Incredible Hulk. ;-)

08-01-2008, 05:54 PM	#84 (permalink)
Chase Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,316	Most AllDeaf members are certainly not "deaf enough." Okay, that's just sour grapes 'cause I can't hear a fire cracker under my chair, heh heh. I really do wish I were back to being hard-of-hearing. Life wasn't a bowl of cherries, but it was easier. I hate to apply logic to the question posed, but I sign ASL to my sister and other deafies for whom it's their primary language. For most deafies and near-deafies who speak English, I use SEE. I have no preference for either. Just like when we write, it's our audience that should dictate the medium.

08-04-2008, 06:10 PM	#85 (permalink)
BrainDork Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: West Virginia Posts: 17	ASL and PSE... Voted mixture. When I voice and sign... it leans more toward PSE... when I just sign it leans more towards ASL with some PSE involved.... Growing up in the hearing culture and learning that SEE is just not my personal choice of sign made me realize that I love PSE.