A NEW BOOK "TO BE DEAF OR NOT TO BE DEAF" to be out

Kalista · 08-26-2003, 06:43 PM

This is one of Paul Kiel's articles from his upcoming book, "TO BE DEAF OR
NOT TO BE DEAF" a true story of Deaf man raised in hearing dominated society and his trails and tribulations of being oralist until he chose ASL. Some excerptions from the book -

American Sign Language and the controversies since dawn of mankind...

I often wonder why people make big deal out of sign language. I believe it is a norm that we can live with. Those people (audists and ignorant people) often raise hell and use negative tactics to hurt us. What is their point? Is it power control? Is it financial interest? It is hard to prove it at this point.

However, historically speaking, audism is the key that hearing people retain the power over the deaf communities globally. We are NOT alone in America.

It is rampant everywhere. Why do they do it? Is it ignorance? Is it selfish? Is it manipulation? Is it sickness? Is it ego trip?

Ever since I remembered opening my eyes at birth, I see the world through my eyes. My eyes transmits visual cues to my brain. I see people around me. No names? Nothing? My eyes close when it is dark or being coaxed to sleep. When I felt touches to my body, I wake up. I felt vibrations and stuff. I do not even remember if I ever heard a sound. All those years of trails and tribulations, I have struggled to find my own identity. From the time I opened my eyes to understanding what people were trying to tell me. I can remember the funny faces people use. I laughed at them. Even when they were mad, I laughed at them. I did not know the meaning of what was society's rules. Behave? Stop it? Don't touch this or that? A learning process of do's and don'ts? The list would go on and on.

My family used gestures to tell me what things were. It is about same path what Helen Keller with Anne Sullivan went through. My grandmother had a Deaf girlfriend who was a neighbor in 1920's. She used it to communicate with me.

She felt bad as she could not remember her name. Feeling elated and excited that my grandmother was able to grasp my attention and see hand movements to indicate which object has a meaning. It is like feeding into my head and she wrote a lot of notes. Even tho I went
to oral school. I have dealt with a lot of abuses. I was different and I
knew that. I had a deaf brother that oral school rejected. He was unable to follow. He was stubborn and screamed his head off at times. I suspected that he might have ADD. I was even "punished" when I did not want to open my mouth and follow what teachers were scolding, yelling at me, make faces, spread "shame" and "blame" on me to other students. It developed into some kind of plantation mentality.

I was "conditioned" to believe in the oral system. I had to lie my way
around to appease them. In my heart, I hated the oral system. It was because of some teachers abused me. When I refused to follow, one teacher dragged me down the hall to an "isolation" room. She screamed in my face. She scolded me for not following "lessons". I tried to tell my mother about her and she comforted me and she did not know what to do. She wanted best education for me. "Abuse" was either unheard of or afraid to speak in 1950's. She got the information from my doctor about John Tracy Clinic. She was following what they suggested about having oral system.

When I saw other Deaf using sign language in a cafeteria by bus stop in a small rural town where a state school for Deaf was located, my mother told me that it was not polite to stare at them. I did not know what to do but stare down at my dinner plate. I had tears rolling down my cheeks and my mother was apologetic. She did not know if it was ok to watch those people using sign language.

But the family was bit heavy on oralism. They preferred that I go through
the program. I was unhappy child and I was sick often times that I wanted to stay home rather than go to school. It was emotional roller coaster having to follow the school rules. The principal ran the school with iron hand.

I was a stubborn child and I often have to go to supervisor's office or
principal's office. I get scolded for not using my voice or using my hands
too much. I got into trouble again and again to the point that the
supervisor lost her temper and patience. She made me come into her office. She took out a wooden ruler and made me open my hands.

I grimaced and refused to cooperate. She got angrier and while she was
talking, she had a lot of saliva spitting out of her mouth. I got upset and
opened my hands. She raised the wooden ruler above her head and came down hard on my left hand. Then she raised the ruler again and came down hard on my right hand. She repeated the process 9 more times. (total of 10 - five times each hand). I felt a lot of pain and I felt sick to my stomach. She made me sit in the corner of her office for about one week. I was pretty stubborn about not following the rules and I was adamandant about using my gestures. I decided to lay low on that issue and do other things to "please" them. They did not understand deaf culture and its behavior.

I am Deaf since birth. They do not know the cause of deafness. I had to put up with hearing people manipulating deaf issues in life. I had trails and tribulations, but today. I am still using ASL and will continue to so. My pet peeve in St. Louis is plantation mentality and that audism is rampant in this town.

And lastly back in 1968, I was invited to a teacher's apartment for
bar-b-que. I already left the school for public mainstream about a year
ago. I was glad to see other friends. I was gesturing more because of the freedom from oral school controls and I was in public high school. That sense of freedom made me forget some bad memories of that school.

However, at that bar-b-que, I was gesturing more and of course I joked
more and was into mischief. The principal was there and she understood as it was out of her "control" She even used "reverse psychology" to try to keep me on track, but she "flunked"! The speech teacher who spent years getting me to talk and talk using my voice got upset with me. She caught me signing to my close friend in the car. She came running to the car window and screamed at me. She was red faced and called me names that I could not even remember. Her face expressions was so negative that it still haunts me to this day.

This is why I do NOT understand those people about objection of my choice and freedom to use ASL!!!! I would tell them to jump in the river or drop dead.

At that principal's funeral, I paid my last respects to her. I walked up
to her casket and used sign language. "YOU FUCKING BITCH! THANKS FOR RUINING MY LIFE! I CHERISH THIS FREEDOM FROM YOUR SICKNESS! I HOPE GOD PUNISHES YOU FOR YOUR OPPRESSION!" I said it so fast that no one understood. I felt good that no one knew what I said. It was between her and me. The old teachers and friends of that principal gave me dirty looks just because I was gesturing.

The other Deaf adults in the room tried to tell me to put down my hands. I told them. "What the heck? That woman is dead and she cannot jump out of that coffin to scold us for using our sign language. Oh boy! I need fresh air!" I then walked out of the funeral home and never looked back again! The sun was shining and I was feeling the warmth of freedom.

So from the time I remembered to my final breath, I will always ask, WHY? WHY? do they want to forbid the use of ASL? I will have lifetime to
analyze this and find answers to that puzzle. It is silly! It might be
manipulation or power grab thing!!

That's it! Sorry for pulling your eyes (ears) to my story of oral abuses!

Paul Kiel

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javapride · 08-26-2003, 09:46 PM

where's that book on for sale at? I d like to read more of this!

CatoCooper13 · 08-26-2003, 10:03 PM

Wow...I would LOVE to read that book! Where did you find that? I will go to Amazon.com and check it out and see how much I can get it.

Thanks Sabrina!

Liza · 08-27-2003, 05:20 AM

Whoa. That book hits very close to home for me...I'll get it one day!

Bush_in_2004! · 08-27-2003, 05:24 AM

"audists"

on the other hand, Harlan Lane's made-up-word "audist" appears in the book.

.

Oddball · 08-27-2003, 01:32 PM

I can related to his experiences. Abuse still exists everywhere. When I read the symposis of the story, I thought it might be cool if I sign to my principal furiously at his future wake. I don't care of the crap. I am looking forward to attending his funeral someday and sign furiously there. I don't care if my former teachers will look at me funny.

at oralists.

Fly Free · 08-27-2003, 01:36 PM

ohhh id LOVE to get my hands on this book when it comes out!!!! update us when its actually off the press so we can go get a copy

Kalista · 08-29-2003, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Oddball

I can related to his experiences. Abuse still exists everywhere. When I read the symposis of the story, I thought it might be cool if I sign to my principal furiously at his future wake. I don't care of the crap. I am looking forward to attending his funeral someday and sign furiously there. I don't care if my former teachers will look at me funny.

at oralists.

I certainly agree with you. Oddball What I had been going through like that during my childhood.

I can't wait to read that book. The book will be publish next year of 2004.

Oddball · 08-30-2003, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sabrina

I certainly agree with you. Oddball What I had been going through like that during my childhood.

I can't wait to read that book. The book will be publish next year of 2004.

Domestic Violence survivors and

at Abusers.

08-30-2003, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Oddball

at oralists.

*clutches my bleeding heart!* Oh Oddball girly.. remember not all oralists are E-V-I-L . Look at me, I'm a Deaf oralist that just happens to sign in ASL and talks and I'm just as mischevious as you are! *winksa*

Oddball · 08-30-2003, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Freaky

*clutches my bleeding heart!* Oh Oddball girly.. remember not all oralists are E-V-I-L . Look at me, I'm a Deaf oralist that just happens to sign in ASL and talks and I'm just as mischevious as you are! *winksa*

I am sorry. I believe that I am out of line. I don't mean to offend other Deaf oralists. I just want to pinpoint my abusers who did to me years ago. I just wanted to vent it out. I pardon good Deaf oralists.

Ziusudra · 09-11-2003, 12:39 PM

That book sounds very interesting. I'd like to read it myself. I've read a few deaf stories and I've found some written by hearing people to be VERY unrealistic whilst the ones written by deaf people or hearing people with experience with deaf people are the best. That story probably would be very familiar to a few deaf people who have gone through the same thing themselves so it would be an interesting read for anyone.

***VamPyroX*** · 09-11-2003, 03:17 PM

It's possible for a hearing person to write good books about being deaf. There was a book on blacks years ago. This white guy was curious about what life was like as a black person so he took special medication that made his skin black and spend some time in a different home among the black community. He then observed how whites treated him and how his life changed like that. This book was written during the time of segregation between blacks and whites.

Banjo · 09-11-2003, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

It's possible for a hearing person to write good books about being deaf. There was a book on blacks years ago. This white guy was curious about what life was like as a black person so he took special medication that made his skin black and spend some time in a different home among the black community. He then observed how whites treated him and how his life changed like that. This book was written during the time of segregation between blacks and whites.

Special Medication to make his skin black?

Err... can you cite any sources on these "special medication" please? It sounds very interesting.

deafdyke · 09-11-2003, 07:20 PM

Jake, SFW if the word audist was made up? Lots of words have been made up throughout the years, (and no...not just "slang" words)
I'm trying to think.....international, superman, and many other words have been made up.
As for the book...I am very glad that a book that tells the bad side of oralism is out. Perhaps it will open some parents eyes to the bad side of oralism. Too often parents are told that oralism has absolutly no downside. Well it DOES! I am only medically HOH (I can even hear some people clearly without my aids and I can even talk on the telephone without a hearing aid!) but I have found the oral only route to be extremely limiting...Why can't deaf and hoh kids learn both ASL AND English at the same time? Why does ASL have to only be for oral failures? Why does ASL still have such a stigma attached to it? Why in this day and age is ASL still thought of as a speshal needs language? (not a "real" language the way English and French and other spoken languages are)
ORAL ONLY SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

Bush_in_2004! · 09-12-2003, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deafdyke

Jake, SFW if the word audist was made up? Lots of words have been made up throughout the years, (and no...not just "slang" words)
I'm trying to think.....international, superman, and many other words have been made up.
As for the book...I am very glad that a book that tells the bad side of oralism is out. Perhaps it will open some parents eyes to the bad side of oralism. Too often parents are told that oralism has absolutly no downside. Well it DOES! I am only medically HOH (I can even hear some people clearly without my aids and I can even talk on the telephone without a hearing aid!) but I have found the oral only route to be extremely limiting...Why can't deaf and hoh kids learn both ASL AND English at the same time? Why does ASL have to only be for oral failures? Why does ASL still have such a stigma attached to it? Why in this day and age is ASL still thought of as a speshal needs language? (not a "real" language the way English and French and other spoken languages are)
ORAL ONLY SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

Well, since your b-day was this week, this is the one I'm gonna let you win.

Bush_in_2004! · 09-12-2003, 12:07 AM

Slimphia noze horts wund chirter rafle.

Wow! Making up words is FUN!!!!

(if you're six.)

09-15-2003, 03:31 AM

Cut this out, Bush.

09-15-2003, 03:32 AM

D'oh! It is not a word until VERY recently, they added "doh" in the dictionaries. Thanks, Homer! Words are always created everyday. When a new word or concept is made up, accepted and used, it becomes a "real" word.

jejones3141 · 10-12-2003, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

Special Medication to make his skin black?

Err... can you cite any sources on these "special medication" please? It sounds very interesting.

I don't know what the medication was, but I've heard of the book in question: it's title is Black Like Me, and the author is John Howard Griffin. It's a famous book, and has gone through many reprintings, so it should be pretty readily available. Perhaps it gives more details.

deafdyke · 10-13-2003, 01:37 AM

Jake...FYI, the term audiology was coined very recently (late 1940's). Does that make it "not a real word?"
Also, you made a mistake there.....Lane did not coin the term audism...audism was coined by Tom Humphries (a postlingally deafened person!) in his Ph.D thesis.
Secondly, Humpries did not randomly make up a word from gibberish like you're implying . He coined the term from the Latin for to hear- aud, as in audible, audience, auditorium, auditory trainer, audilogist and many others!
and from the term ism ala racism, sexism, et al!!!!
Yes, I know the word's not in most mainstream dictionaries but a lot of specialized words aren't in the dictionary. That doesn't mean they don't exist

Bush_in_2004! · 10-13-2003, 04:39 AM

dd, you're probably right. it was Lane who put "audist" into mainstream use.

deafdyke · 10-13-2003, 05:09 PM

I don't recall Lane ever discussing the term audism in any of his books, or him really going into deep detail over it. He may have used the term once or twice, but he never really discused the theory. If I'm wrong on that bit, please list references.

Boult · 10-13-2003, 05:19 PM

Jake and Pez,

how about this?
http://deafness.about.com/cs/deafculture/a/audism.htm

Audism was invented in 1975 not 1940's

Lane does TALK about audism in one of HIS book! doesn't have to say the word in it.

Boult · 10-13-2003, 05:28 PM

http://library.gallaudet.edu/dr/faq-audism.html

Quote:

The first appearance of the term audism in print seems to have been by Harlan Lane in 1992. However, Lane credits the invention of the term to Tom Humphries' unpublished 1977 doctoral dissertation (Humphries 1977). After Humphries coined the term audism, it laid dormant until Lane revived its use 15 years later. It is increasingly catching on, though not yet in regular dictionaries of the English language. Humphries originally applied audism to individual attitudes and practices, but Lane and others have broadened its scope to include institutional and group attitudes, practices, and oppression of deaf persons.

The first half of Lane's book The mask of benevolence: disabling the deaf community is the most extensive published survey and discussion of audism so far (Lane 1992).

deafdyke · 10-13-2003, 05:49 PM

Umm Boult, I did NOT say that the term audism was coined in the '40's. I said the term audilogy was coined in the late 40's! The term was coined by Humpries but he didn't invent the concept of audism...The concept of audism has been around since as long as deaf education has been around...and actually is as old as deaf/hoh people. (eg hearing people pitying the deaf/hoh) Humpries just gave the phenononomeon a name...after all the term racism and sexism are probaly very new, but the phenonomoen that they describe have been around FOREVER!!!
I'm going to have to reread TMOB...and see if he uses the word casually(eg as a catchphrase) or goes into in deph discussion on it. (ala a feminist theorist going into really in deph discussion about things like sexism or battered women's syndrome or hetrosexism or the like)

Bush_in_2004! · 10-14-2003, 12:34 AM

Boult, it looks like 1975 is right. Its a few years before humphries wrote that book with his wife carol padden.

DD, did you want ME to find some references on things Harlan Lane said???? I rather chew on glass. Ha ha ha.

Seriously, TMOB is the book you need to read. Besides, Dr. Donald Moores (editor of the American Annals of the Deaf -- GU professor) put Lane through the wringer for that one hell of a baloney book Lane wrote. One of the things Moores talks about is audisms and how its not truthful and that Lane may be an "audist" himself. Find Moore's review of Lane's book in the Annals or in one of Jake's books.

08-26-2003, 06:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
Kalista Premium Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 7,387	A NEW BOOK "TO BE DEAF OR NOT TO BE DEAF" to be out This is one of Paul Kiel's articles from his upcoming book, "TO BE DEAF OR NOT TO BE DEAF" a true story of Deaf man raised in hearing dominated society and his trails and tribulations of being oralist until he chose ASL. Some excerptions from the book - American Sign Language and the controversies since dawn of mankind... I often wonder why people make big deal out of sign language. I believe it is a norm that we can live with. Those people (audists and ignorant people) often raise hell and use negative tactics to hurt us. What is their point? Is it power control? Is it financial interest? It is hard to prove it at this point. However, historically speaking, audism is the key that hearing people retain the power over the deaf communities globally. We are NOT alone in America. It is rampant everywhere. Why do they do it? Is it ignorance? Is it selfish? Is it manipulation? Is it sickness? Is it ego trip? Ever since I remembered opening my eyes at birth, I see the world through my eyes. My eyes transmits visual cues to my brain. I see people around me. No names? Nothing? My eyes close when it is dark or being coaxed to sleep. When I felt touches to my body, I wake up. I felt vibrations and stuff. I do not even remember if I ever heard a sound. All those years of trails and tribulations, I have struggled to find my own identity. From the time I opened my eyes to understanding what people were trying to tell me. I can remember the funny faces people use. I laughed at them. Even when they were mad, I laughed at them. I did not know the meaning of what was society's rules. Behave? Stop it? Don't touch this or that? A learning process of do's and don'ts? The list would go on and on. My family used gestures to tell me what things were. It is about same path what Helen Keller with Anne Sullivan went through. My grandmother had a Deaf girlfriend who was a neighbor in 1920's. She used it to communicate with me. She felt bad as she could not remember her name. Feeling elated and excited that my grandmother was able to grasp my attention and see hand movements to indicate which object has a meaning. It is like feeding into my head and she wrote a lot of notes. Even tho I went to oral school. I have dealt with a lot of abuses. I was different and I knew that. I had a deaf brother that oral school rejected. He was unable to follow. He was stubborn and screamed his head off at times. I suspected that he might have ADD. I was even "punished" when I did not want to open my mouth and follow what teachers were scolding, yelling at me, make faces, spread "shame" and "blame" on me to other students. It developed into some kind of plantation mentality. I was "conditioned" to believe in the oral system. I had to lie my way around to appease them. In my heart, I hated the oral system. It was because of some teachers abused me. When I refused to follow, one teacher dragged me down the hall to an "isolation" room. She screamed in my face. She scolded me for not following "lessons". I tried to tell my mother about her and she comforted me and she did not know what to do. She wanted best education for me. "Abuse" was either unheard of or afraid to speak in 1950's. She got the information from my doctor about John Tracy Clinic. She was following what they suggested about having oral system. When I saw other Deaf using sign language in a cafeteria by bus stop in a small rural town where a state school for Deaf was located, my mother told me that it was not polite to stare at them. I did not know what to do but stare down at my dinner plate. I had tears rolling down my cheeks and my mother was apologetic. She did not know if it was ok to watch those people using sign language. But the family was bit heavy on oralism. They preferred that I go through the program. I was unhappy child and I was sick often times that I wanted to stay home rather than go to school. It was emotional roller coaster having to follow the school rules. The principal ran the school with iron hand. I was a stubborn child and I often have to go to supervisor's office or principal's office. I get scolded for not using my voice or using my hands too much. I got into trouble again and again to the point that the supervisor lost her temper and patience. She made me come into her office. She took out a wooden ruler and made me open my hands. I grimaced and refused to cooperate. She got angrier and while she was talking, she had a lot of saliva spitting out of her mouth. I got upset and opened my hands. She raised the wooden ruler above her head and came down hard on my left hand. Then she raised the ruler again and came down hard on my right hand. She repeated the process 9 more times. (total of 10 - five times each hand). I felt a lot of pain and I felt sick to my stomach. She made me sit in the corner of her office for about one week. I was pretty stubborn about not following the rules and I was adamandant about using my gestures. I decided to lay low on that issue and do other things to "please" them. They did not understand deaf culture and its behavior. I am Deaf since birth. They do not know the cause of deafness. I had to put up with hearing people manipulating deaf issues in life. I had trails and tribulations, but today. I am still using ASL and will continue to so. My pet peeve in St. Louis is plantation mentality and that audism is rampant in this town. And lastly back in 1968, I was invited to a teacher's apartment for bar-b-que. I already left the school for public mainstream about a year ago. I was glad to see other friends. I was gesturing more because of the freedom from oral school controls and I was in public high school. That sense of freedom made me forget some bad memories of that school. However, at that bar-b-que, I was gesturing more and of course I joked more and was into mischief. The principal was there and she understood as it was out of her "control" She even used "reverse psychology" to try to keep me on track, but she "flunked"! The speech teacher who spent years getting me to talk and talk using my voice got upset with me. She caught me signing to my close friend in the car. She came running to the car window and screamed at me. She was red faced and called me names that I could not even remember. Her face expressions was so negative that it still haunts me to this day. This is why I do NOT understand those people about objection of my choice and freedom to use ASL!!!! I would tell them to jump in the river or drop dead. At that principal's funeral, I paid my last respects to her. I walked up to her casket and used sign language. "YOU FUCKING BITCH! THANKS FOR RUINING MY LIFE! I CHERISH THIS FREEDOM FROM YOUR SICKNESS! I HOPE GOD PUNISHES YOU FOR YOUR OPPRESSION!" I said it so fast that no one understood. I felt good that no one knew what I said. It was between her and me. The old teachers and friends of that principal gave me dirty looks just because I was gesturing. The other Deaf adults in the room tried to tell me to put down my hands. I told them. "What the heck? That woman is dead and she cannot jump out of that coffin to scold us for using our sign language. Oh boy! I need fresh air!" I then walked out of the funeral home and never looked back again! The sun was shining and I was feeling the warmth of freedom. So from the time I remembered to my final breath, I will always ask, WHY? WHY? do they want to forbid the use of ASL? I will have lifetime to analyze this and find answers to that puzzle. It is silly! It might be manipulation or power grab thing!! That's it! Sorry for pulling your eyes (ears) to my story of oral abuses! Paul Kiel __________________________________________________ _________________ __________________ Enjoy the Autumn time as much as we can. The foliage are such beautiful in Vermont and New Hampshire.

08-26-2003, 10:03 PM	#3 (permalink)
CatoCooper13 Am attached and in LOVE! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sonoma County, California Posts: 6,419	Wow...I would LOVE to read that book! Where did you find that? I will go to Amazon.com and check it out and see how much I can get it. Thanks Sabrina! __________________ Til I hold my bub in my arms.

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Liza Cranial protocologist Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: St Augustine, FL Posts: 3,905	Whoa. That book hits very close to home for me...I'll get it one day! __________________

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*VamPyroX* bloody phreak from hell Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Hell Posts: 27,039	It's possible for a hearing person to write good books about being deaf. There was a book on blacks years ago. This white guy was curious about what life was like as a black person so he took special medication that made his skin black and spend some time in a different home among the black community. He then observed how whites treated him and how his life changed like that. This book was written during the time of segregation between blacks and whites. __________________ Check out my city... CLICK HERE! (If you already visited yesterday, visit again today!)

10-14-2003, 12:34 AM	#27 (permalink)
Bush_in_2004! Get Bushwacked! Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 294	Boult, it looks like 1975 is right. Its a few years before humphries wrote that book with his wife carol padden. DD, did you want ME to find some references on things Harlan Lane said???? I rather chew on glass. Ha ha ha. Seriously, TMOB is the book you need to read. Besides, Dr. Donald Moores (editor of the American Annals of the Deaf -- GU professor) put Lane through the wringer for that one hell of a baloney book Lane wrote. One of the things Moores talks about is audisms and how its not truthful and that Lane may be an "audist" himself. Find Moore's review of Lane's book in the Annals or in one of Jake's books. Last edited by Bush_in_2004!; 10-14-2003 at 12:37 AM.

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08-26-2003, 09:46 PM	#2 (permalink)
javapride Java's Big Island Life! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: hawaii Posts: 6,509	where's that book on for sale at? I d like to read more of this!

08-27-2003, 05:24 AM	#5 (permalink)
Bush_in_2004! Get Bushwacked! Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 294	"audists" on the other hand, Harlan Lane's made-up-word "audist" appears in the book. .

08-27-2003, 01:32 PM	#6 (permalink)
Oddball Wacky Oddball Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cleveland native now lives in New Jersey. Posts: 3,159	I can related to his experiences. Abuse still exists everywhere. When I read the symposis of the story, I thought it might be cool if I sign to my principal furiously at his future wake. I don't care of the crap. I am looking forward to attending his funeral someday and sign furiously there. I don't care if my former teachers will look at me funny. at oralists.

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Fly Free Just me Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Wherever i want to be LOL Posts: 9,101	ohhh id LOVE to get my hands on this book when it comes out!!!! update us when its actually off the press so we can go get a copy

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Ziusudra The Cammy Fighter Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Gold Coast, Australia Posts: 771	That book sounds very interesting. I'd like to read it myself. I've read a few deaf stories and I've found some written by hearing people to be VERY unrealistic whilst the ones written by deaf people or hearing people with experience with deaf people are the best. That story probably would be very familiar to a few deaf people who have gone through the same thing themselves so it would be an interesting read for anyone.

09-11-2003, 07:20 PM	#15 (permalink)
deafdyke So NOT a Princess! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Trebekistan Posts: 6,570	Jake, SFW if the word audist was made up? Lots of words have been made up throughout the years, (and no...not just "slang" words) I'm trying to think.....international, superman, and many other words have been made up. As for the book...I am very glad that a book that tells the bad side of oralism is out. Perhaps it will open some parents eyes to the bad side of oralism. Too often parents are told that oralism has absolutly no downside. Well it DOES! I am only medically HOH (I can even hear some people clearly without my aids and I can even talk on the telephone without a hearing aid!) but I have found the oral only route to be extremely limiting...Why can't deaf and hoh kids learn both ASL AND English at the same time? Why does ASL have to only be for oral failures? Why does ASL still have such a stigma attached to it? Why in this day and age is ASL still thought of as a speshal needs language? (not a "real" language the way English and French and other spoken languages are) ORAL ONLY SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

09-12-2003, 12:07 AM	#17 (permalink)
Bush_in_2004! Get Bushwacked! Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 294	Slimphia noze horts wund chirter rafle. Wow! Making up words is FUN!!!! (if you're six.)

09-15-2003, 03:31 AM	#18 (permalink)
kuifje75 Guest Posts: n/a	Cut this out, Bush.

09-15-2003, 03:32 AM	#19 (permalink)
Deaf258 Guest Posts: n/a	D'oh! It is not a word until VERY recently, they added "doh" in the dictionaries. Thanks, Homer! Words are always created everyday. When a new word or concept is made up, accepted and used, it becomes a "real" word.

10-13-2003, 01:37 AM	#21 (permalink)
deafdyke So NOT a Princess! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Trebekistan Posts: 6,570	Jake...FYI, the term audiology was coined very recently (late 1940's). Does that make it "not a real word?" Also, you made a mistake there.....Lane did not coin the term audism...audism was coined by Tom Humphries (a postlingally deafened person!) in his Ph.D thesis. Secondly, Humpries did not randomly make up a word from gibberish like you're implying . He coined the term from the Latin for to hear- aud, as in audible, audience, auditorium, auditory trainer, audilogist and many others! and from the term ism ala racism, sexism, et al!!!! Yes, I know the word's not in most mainstream dictionaries but a lot of specialized words aren't in the dictionary. That doesn't mean they don't exist

10-13-2003, 04:39 AM	#22 (permalink)
Bush_in_2004! Get Bushwacked! Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 294	dd, you're probably right. it was Lane who put "audist" into mainstream use.

10-13-2003, 05:09 PM	#23 (permalink)
deafdyke So NOT a Princess! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Trebekistan Posts: 6,570	I don't recall Lane ever discussing the term audism in any of his books, or him really going into deep detail over it. He may have used the term once or twice, but he never really discused the theory. If I'm wrong on that bit, please list references.

10-13-2003, 05:49 PM	#26 (permalink)
deafdyke So NOT a Princess! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Trebekistan Posts: 6,570	Umm Boult, I did NOT say that the term audism was coined in the '40's. I said the term audilogy was coined in the late 40's! The term was coined by Humpries but he didn't invent the concept of audism...The concept of audism has been around since as long as deaf education has been around...and actually is as old as deaf/hoh people. (eg hearing people pitying the deaf/hoh) Humpries just gave the phenononomeon a name...after all the term racism and sexism are probaly very new, but the phenonomoen that they describe have been around FOREVER!!! I'm going to have to reread TMOB...and see if he uses the word casually(eg as a catchphrase) or goes into in deph discussion on it. (ala a feminist theorist going into really in deph discussion about things like sexism or battered women's syndrome or hetrosexism or the like)