AG Bell against ASL commerical - Page 3

Silentwolfdog · 02-04-2008, 04:41 PM

^ Lol! Mwhahaha!

Kalista · 02-04-2008, 05:00 PM

Just in the case if you miss to see this commerical last night at the Super Bowl.

Pepsi USA - Bob's House

morbid-mongoose · 02-04-2008, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Freaky Cat

yes the commerical was played during pre-game not during the game.

I was a little irritated by that. Who actually watches the pre-game? No one.

deafdyke · 02-05-2008, 12:21 AM

Well my dad watches the pregame...........I wish he'd told me when it was on so I could have seen it.

Angel · 02-05-2008, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by morbid-mongoose

I was a little irritated by that. Who actually watches the pre-game? No one.

Exactly!!

jillio · 02-05-2008, 09:07 AM

While I understand everyopne's anger that the commercial was shown during the pre-game, I think we are all loosing sight over the fact that Pepesico ineed did air a commercial featuring signing deaf at prime time during which the number of viewers that would see it was huge. While it would have been better if the commercial had been shown during game time, it was still on t.v. and that is still a first for the deaf community. Pespsico still managed to something that has never been done before. With the support they received for this first commercial, I would say the chance that more will follow is good.

Also, this commercial managed to bring out the real intents of A.G.Bad, and that, as well is a good thing. People who never before realized that A.G Bad was so discrimiinatory toward signing deaf, or that they were extremely audist in their practices now see A.G. Bad for exactly what they are. This will reduce support for both A.G. Bell, and other organizations like them.

While we may not have gotten the greatest exposure on Sunday, we did get more than ever before. Let's be grateful for the small steps, and use them to make even bigger steps. Let's not stop here. The next step is not to be angry with Pepsico, becuase they did provide the deaf community with exposure in a way that has never been done before. The next step is to protest A.G. Bad's stance on that exposure. IMO.

Secretblend · 02-05-2008, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

While I understand everyopne's anger that the commercial was shown during the pre-game, I think we are all loosing sight over the fact that Pepesico ineed did air a commercial featuring signing deaf at prime time during which the number of viewers that would see it was huge. While it would have been better if the commercial had been shown during game time, it was still on t.v. and that is still a first for the deaf community. Pespsico still managed to something that has never been done before. With the support they received for this first commercial, I would say the chance that more will follow is good.

Also, this commercial managed to bring out the real intents of A.G.Bad, and that, as well is a good thing. People who never before realized that A.G Bad was so discrimiinatory toward signing deaf, or that they were extremely audist in their practices now see A.G. Bad for exactly what they are. This will reduce support for both A.G. Bell, and other organizations like them.

While we may not have gotten the greatest exposure on Sunday, we did get more than ever before. Let's be grateful for the small steps, and use them to make even bigger steps. Let's not stop here. The next step is not to be angry with Pepsico, becuase they did provide the deaf community with exposure in a way that has never been done before. The next step is to protest A.G. Bad's stance on that exposure. IMO.

Very good!

jillio · 02-05-2008, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Secretblend

Very good!

, my friend.

Angel · 02-05-2008, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

While I understand everyopne's anger that the commercial was shown during the pre-game, I think we are all loosing sight over the fact that Pepesico ineed did air a commercial featuring signing deaf at prime time during which the number of viewers that would see it was huge. While it would have been better if the commercial had been shown during game time, it was still on t.v. and that is still a first for the deaf community. Pespsico still managed to something that has never been done before. With the support they received for this first commercial, I would say the chance that more will follow is good.

Also, this commercial managed to bring out the real intents of A.G.Bad, and that, as well is a good thing. People who never before realized that A.G Bad was so discrimiinatory toward signing deaf, or that they were extremely audist in their practices now see A.G. Bad for exactly what they are. This will reduce support for both A.G. Bell, and other organizations like them.

While we may not have gotten the greatest exposure on Sunday, we did get more than ever before. Let's be grateful for the small steps, and use them to make even bigger steps. Let's not stop here. The next step is not to be angry with Pepsico, becuase they did provide the deaf community with exposure in a way that has never been done before. The next step is to protest A.G. Bad's stance on that exposure. IMO.

So true. you got a point there.

deafskeptic · 02-05-2008, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

While I understand everyopne's anger that the commercial was shown during the pre-game, I think we are all loosing sight over the fact that Pepesico ineed did air a commercial featuring signing deaf at prime time during which the number of viewers that would see it was huge. While it would have been better if the commercial had been shown during game time, it was still on t.v. and that is still a first for the deaf community. Pespsico still managed to something that has never been done before. With the support they received for this first commercial, I would say the chance that more will follow is good.

Also, this commercial managed to bring out the real intents of A.G.Bad, and that, as well is a good thing. People who never before realized that A.G Bad was so discrimiinatory toward signing deaf, or that they were extremely audist in their practices now see A.G. Bad for exactly what they are. This will reduce support for both A.G. Bell, and other organizations like them.

While we may not have gotten the greatest exposure on Sunday, we did get more than ever before. Let's be grateful for the small steps, and use them to make even bigger steps. Let's not stop here. The next step is not to be angry with Pepsico, becuase they did provide the deaf community with exposure in a way that has never been done before. The next step is to protest A.G. Bad's stance on that exposure. IMO.

Excellent post, Jillio. While I'm disappointed that Pepsi didn't air it during the Super Bowl commerical breaks, I am glad we got exposure. Let us hope that one day tehy will air it during Super Bowl breaks. Super Bowl ads are very big in the Adveristing industry. We can use this as a stepping stone so that one day we will see commercials like the Pepsi commercial during Super Bowl commerical breaks.

Angel · 02-05-2008, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by deafskeptic

Excellent post, Jillio. While I'm disappointed that Pepsi didn't air it during the Super Bowl commerical breaks, I am glad we got exposure. Let us hope that one day tehy will air it during Super Bowl breaks. Super Bowl ads are very big in the Adveristing industry. We can use this as a stepping stone so that one day we will see commercials like the Pepsi commercial during Super Bowl commerical breaks.

:nodding in agreements:

GarnetTigerMom · 02-05-2008, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Kalista

yes I saw it too, I am surprised that they removed the article today.

Their headquarter office is relocated at:

Alexander Graham Bell Association
for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing
3417 Volta Place, NW
Washington, DC 20007

Tel: 202/337-5220
TTY: 202/337-5221
Fax: 202/337-8314
Email: info@agbell.org
Website: Alexander Graham Bell Association for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing

Yeppers, they did take it off the web-site pretty fast and I guess they must have felt so guilty. Tsk.

jillio · 02-05-2008, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by GarnetTigerMom

Yeppers, they did take it off the web-site pretty fast and I guess they must have felt so guilty. Tsk.

I would say that all the negative emails they received from the deaf community and supporters of the deaf community had a lot to do with the ad coming off. They realized they made a BIG mistake with that letter. But.....that's okay! I have a copy of it if we need it!

shel90 · 02-05-2008, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

While I understand everyopne's anger that the commercial was shown during the pre-game, I think we are all loosing sight over the fact that Pepesico ineed did air a commercial featuring signing deaf at prime time during which the number of viewers that would see it was huge. While it would have been better if the commercial had been shown during game time, it was still on t.v. and that is still a first for the deaf community. Pespsico still managed to something that has never been done before. With the support they received for this first commercial, I would say the chance that more will follow is good.

Also, this commercial managed to bring out the real intents of A.G.Bad, and that, as well is a good thing. People who never before realized that A.G Bad was so discrimiinatory toward signing deaf, or that they were extremely audist in their practices now see A.G. Bad for exactly what they are. This will reduce support for both A.G. Bell, and other organizations like them.

While we may not have gotten the greatest exposure on Sunday, we did get more than ever before. Let's be grateful for the small steps, and use them to make even bigger steps. Let's not stop here. The next step is not to be angry with Pepsico, becuase they did provide the deaf community with exposure in a way that has never been done before. The next step is to protest A.G. Bad's stance on that exposure. IMO.

So true and we can use their letter as ammunation against people who defend AGBell as this wonderful organization.

Someone said that they did help thousands of families....I told that person the key word is "family" not the deaf children themselves. That person gulped.

jillio · 02-05-2008, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Angel

So true. you got a point there.

jillio · 02-05-2008, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deafskeptic

Excellent post, Jillio. While I'm disappointed that Pepsi didn't air it during the Super Bowl commerical breaks, I am glad we got exposure. Let us hope that one day tehy will air it during Super Bowl breaks. Super Bowl ads are very big in the Adveristing industry. We can use this as a stepping stone so that one day we will see commercials like the Pepsi commercial during Super Bowl commerical breaks.

**nodding agreement**

deafskeptic.

shel90 · 02-06-2008, 09:29 AM

AGBell.info » AGBell wants to deprive Deaf people who sign of their dignity

February 6, 2008
AGBell wants to deprive Deaf people who sign of their dignity

The Alexander Graham Bell Association for the Deaf - better know as “agBAD” - sent a letter to Pepsico recently on January 31, 2008.

This is from their statement:

“We would also like to remind you that with the amount of money Pepsi will spend on just one 60 second spot to air during the Super Bowl, you could help an untold number families obtain hearing aids and other professional services that are costly and in many cases not covered by medical insurance.”

The writing style in AG Bell’s statement is telling. It shows that they consider themselves to be superior to Deaf people who sign, and that they think deaf people who do not sign are also superior to Deaf people who sign. They are attempting to deprive us Deaf signers of the dignity that we deserve.

Also ironic is the fact that AGBell takes in over 12 million dollars a year, as many of us are aware. And what good does this do for the Deaf community? It does no good at all for Deaf people who use sign language.

I wonder how many parents fear that it would be undignified for their deaf children learn sign language, and who feel this way because of AGBell’s worldwide propaganda campaign? The attempt to smear sign language as being an inferior mode of communication, and for this they should be condemned.

John Egbert

As much as the oralist deny it, that kind of propandga is being used to play into the parents' fears about ASL and the Deaf community.

jillio · 02-06-2008, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by shel90

AGBell.info » AGBell wants to deprive Deaf people who sign of their dignity

February 6, 2008
AGBell wants to deprive Deaf people who sign of their dignity

The Alexander Graham Bell Association for the Deaf - better know as “agBAD” - sent a letter to Pepsico recently on January 31, 2008.

This is from their statement:

“We would also like to remind you that with the amount of money Pepsi will spend on just one 60 second spot to air during the Super Bowl, you could help an untold number families obtain hearing aids and other professional services that are costly and in many cases not covered by medical insurance.”

The writing style in AG Bell’s statement is telling. It shows that they consider themselves to be superior to Deaf people who sign, and that they think deaf people who do not sign are also superior to Deaf people who sign. They are attempting to deprive us Deaf signers of the dignity that we deserve.

Also ironic is the fact that AGBell takes in over 12 million dollars a year, as many of us are aware. And what good does this do for the Deaf community? It does no good at all for Deaf people who use sign language.

I wonder how many parents fear that it would be undignified for their deaf children learn sign language, and who feel this way because of AGBell’s worldwide propaganda campaign? The attempt to smear sign language as being an inferior mode of communication, and for this they should be condemned.

John Egbert

As much as the oralist deny it, that kind of propandga is being used to play into the parents' fears about ASL and the Deaf community.

**nodding agreement** And that is exactly what is so despicable about the organization. Thanks for this post. It is just more evidence of the destructiveness behind that oralist agenda.

jazzy · 02-06-2008, 09:55 AM

We should sue AGB!!!!

shel90 · 02-06-2008, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by jazzy

We should sue AGB!!!!

Wonder if we can bring a class-action lawsuit?

Kalista · 02-06-2008, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Wonder if we can bring a class-action lawsuit?

Whom an attorney willing to be our representative? Who pay for the attorney to involve this case?

jillio · 02-06-2008, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Wonder if we can bring a class-action lawsuit?

I doubt it. It would be difficult to prove any real damages. We would have to demonstrate that A.G. Bell and their actions were directly responsible for deaf as a group not being able to find employment, or such.

jazzy · 02-06-2008, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Wonder if we can bring a class-action lawsuit?

Good question. Hope we do something about it because they still continuing harm us.

jillio · 02-06-2008, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by shel90

So true and we can use their letter as ammunation against people who defend AGBell as this wonderful organization.

Someone said that they did help thousands of families....I told that person the key word is "family" not the deaf children themselves. That person gulped.

That is exactly the point. While I agree that having a deaf child does affect the whole family, the way to address the effect it has on the family is to address the child's needs first. It can be a postivie experience for all, or it can be a negative experience for all. A.G. Bell makes having a deaf child a negative experience. If they saw a deaf child being born to hearing parents as an opportunity to learn a new language and culture, thus broadening their perspective and becoming more understanding and tolerant people as a result, there wouldn't be a problem. But they address it from the perspective of having a deaf child as being a tradgedy for a hearing family. As a consequence, the family never learns to accept the deaf child as a whole, complete person. The child is always seen as "missing something", of being different from other members of the family, of needing services to make them more like everyone else in the family. That is destructive for the developing identity of the child, it has a negative effect on family dynamics, and creates an environment that keeps a child in that "disabled" category. A.G. Bad's practices, and the practices of other oral organiztions like them, such as the John Tracy Clinic, only survive if they are able to keep the deaf marginalized.

deafdyke · 02-06-2008, 08:08 PM

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“We would also like to remind you that with the amount of money Pepsi will spend on just one 60 second spot to air during the Super Bowl, you could help an untold number families obtain hearing aids and other professional services that are costly and in many cases not covered by medical insurance.”

Gee, talk about being hypocritical..............AG Bell does NOTHING to try to get hearing aids covered or other professional services. They all assume that everyone's a middle class or upper class person who can afford the best hearing aids, the best insurance, best everything................grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Buffalo · 02-06-2008, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

That is exactly the point. While I agree that having a deaf child does affect the whole family, the way to address the effect it has on the family is to address the child's needs first. It can be a postivie experience for all, or it can be a negative experience for all. A.G. Bell makes having a deaf child a negative experience. If they saw a deaf child being born to hearing parents as an opportunity to learn a new language and culture, thus broadening their perspective and becoming more understanding and tolerant people as a result, there wouldn't be a problem. But they address it from the perspective of having a deaf child as being a tradgedy for a hearing family. As a consequence, the family never learns to accept the deaf child as a whole, complete person. The child is always seen as "missing something", of being different from other members of the family, of needing services to make them more like everyone else in the family. That is destructive for the developing identity of the child, it has a negative effect on family dynamics, and creates an environment that keeps a child in that "disabled" category. A.G. Bad's practices, and the practices of other oral organiztions like them, such as the John Tracy Clinic, only survive if they are able to keep the deaf marginalized.

Agreed. It is up to us to change that for the future deaf kids.

shel90 · 02-06-2008, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by deafdyke

Gee, talk about being hypocritical..............AG Bell does NOTHING to try to get hearing aids covered or other professional services. They all assume that everyone's a middle class or upper class person who can afford the best hearing aids, the best insurance, best everything................grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Agreed

Also, has AGBell helped those deaf children who were failed by the oral-only approaches or those who didnt benefit from their CIs?

If AGBell promotes to serve the Deaf/Hard of Hearing population, then why arent they doing anything to help promote the cultural aspects of it?

jillio · 02-06-2008, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Agreed

Also, has AGBell helped those deaf children who were failed by the oral-only approaches or those who didnt benefit from their CIs?

If AGBell promotes to serve the Deaf/Hard of Hearing population, then why arent they doing anything to help promote the cultural aspects of it?

Exactly. And why don't they serve all of their needs instead of only their oral needs?

shel90 · 02-06-2008, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

I doubt it. It would be difficult to prove any real damages. We would have to demonstrate that A.G. Bell and their actions were directly responsible for deaf as a group not being able to find employment, or such.

I did think about it..would be hard to prove but nice to dream, heh?

jillio · 02-06-2008, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

I did think about it..would be hard to prove but nice to dream, heh?

Oh, yeah!

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shel90 Life is a Beach...relax! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: A Desert Rat that has found herself in Maryland Posts: 20,980 Blog Entries: 3	AGBell.info » AGBell wants to deprive Deaf people who sign of their dignity February 6, 2008 AGBell wants to deprive Deaf people who sign of their dignity The Alexander Graham Bell Association for the Deaf - better know as “agBAD” - sent a letter to Pepsico recently on January 31, 2008. This is from their statement: “We would also like to remind you that with the amount of money Pepsi will spend on just one 60 second spot to air during the Super Bowl, you could help an untold number families obtain hearing aids and other professional services that are costly and in many cases not covered by medical insurance.” The writing style in AG Bell’s statement is telling. It shows that they consider themselves to be superior to Deaf people who sign, and that they think deaf people who do not sign are also superior to Deaf people who sign. They are attempting to deprive us Deaf signers of the dignity that we deserve. Also ironic is the fact that AGBell takes in over 12 million dollars a year, as many of us are aware. And what good does this do for the Deaf community? It does no good at all for Deaf people who use sign language. I wonder how many parents fear that it would be undignified for their deaf children learn sign language, and who feel this way because of AGBell’s worldwide propaganda campaign? The attempt to smear sign language as being an inferior mode of communication, and for this they should be condemned. John Egbert As much as the oralist deny it, that kind of propandga is being used to play into the parents' fears about ASL and the Deaf community. __________________ Shel~ "A child educated only at school is an uneducated child." -George Santayana

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jillio Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 29,484	While I understand everyopne's anger that the commercial was shown during the pre-game, I think we are all loosing sight over the fact that Pepesico ineed did air a commercial featuring signing deaf at prime time during which the number of viewers that would see it was huge. While it would have been better if the commercial had been shown during game time, it was still on t.v. and that is still a first for the deaf community. Pespsico still managed to something that has never been done before. With the support they received for this first commercial, I would say the chance that more will follow is good. Also, this commercial managed to bring out the real intents of A.G.Bad, and that, as well is a good thing. People who never before realized that A.G Bad was so discrimiinatory toward signing deaf, or that they were extremely audist in their practices now see A.G. Bad for exactly what they are. This will reduce support for both A.G. Bell, and other organizations like them. While we may not have gotten the greatest exposure on Sunday, we did get more than ever before. Let's be grateful for the small steps, and use them to make even bigger steps. Let's not stop here. The next step is not to be angry with Pepsico, becuase they did provide the deaf community with exposure in a way that has never been done before. The next step is to protest A.G. Bad's stance on that exposure. IMO.