Is ASL Fading Away or Not? - Page 6

vallee · 12-26-2007, 06:09 PM

It is just wrong to limit the families and child's choice. The choice to learn ASL or not should not be in the hands of others. It is just wrong.

loml · 12-26-2007, 06:14 PM

Bill 118 is not forbidding the families to learn ASL, but it reads that the government funding for the learning ASL has been pulled.

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If a family is interested in a cochlear implant for their young Deaf child in the IHP program and they simultaneously want ASL exposure for their child. IHP will not fund the ASL services

http://www.chs.ca/pdf/Bill_118_Submission.pdf

jillio · 12-26-2007, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loml

Bill 118 is not forbidding the families to learn ASL, but it reads that the government funding for the learning ASL has been pulled.

http://www.chs.ca/pdf/Bill_118_Submission.pdf

Lets see.....government funding for cochlear implant....... government funding pulled for ASL instruction for parents considering CI for their child. How is that not restrictive? It is pure manipulation of a parent's ride to make decision regarding their child. As well as support for the conclusion that CI and the renewed efforts at forced oralism are intimately tied together.

gadgetki · 01-05-2008, 05:58 PM

I read your posts about ASL fading away...

well, it can be true because I researched few history you need to know.

when old FSL being brought from France to America, they still use 63% old FSL, later native american sign language and home made signs were added in 50 year later.

so we no longer use old FSL anymore because old FSL already faded away because we can't restore it back...

so we did fade old ASL away, for example, using two hands like help, several signs like this. this was why old ASL are faded away. because we don't need to use old signs like them anymore.

in addition, in my option, I would say "evolution of ASL" from beginning of old FSL to modern ASL

in addition, be aware of this SEE and PSE because SEE was growing fastest than ASL in 70's. in my opinion I would say one word "accompany" because I believe in deaf communities use ASL, SEE, and PSE they will be combined into Modern ASL. I am sure ASL, SEE and PSE will soon faded away if we evolve signing style is modern ASL.

same reason as happened to Italy, Latin were faded away until they named a language after name of country in 18th century because Italian still speaks Latin as same before

Why they will be combined into Modern ASL? two reasons, if many deaf people do not have videophone, so they would vary ASL, PSE and SEE forever. when they have VP presently, so they will adjust and adhere (stick together) together before new modern ASL will be combined in future.

two reasons, deaf communities have been growing fast to provide technology, education, recreation, and etc which to improve new sign style

Garrett

shel90 · 01-05-2008, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jillio

Lets see.....government funding for cochlear implant....... government funding pulled for ASL instruction for parents considering CI for their child. How is that not restrictive? It is pure manipulation of a parent's ride to make decision regarding their child. As well as support for the conclusion that CI and the renewed efforts at forced oralism are intimately tied together.

I agree with you...that is VERY restrictive. Oralism at its worst with this situation.

jasin · 02-20-2008, 05:27 PM

I guess it really depends on how you look at it. Many are still learning Asl and wanting to learn asl, but yet, oralism and implants are becoming more popular too. I know when I have children Asl will be their first language and Tagalog and English will be their second. I will teach and stress Asl to be their primary language.

lumbingmi · 02-20-2008, 05:57 PM

Nah. Dont worry about ASL. Deaf Culture and Deafhood will not allow this to happen (Remember infamous Milan 1880? Fortunately for us that Gallaudet preserved ASL) It will remain strong especially with emergence of bi bi philosophy.

Only thing we have to worry is Cochlear Implants and Oralism. They are visible threat to ASL.

jasin · 02-20-2008, 06:30 PM

As long as there is deaf people and deaf culture there will be Asl.

12-26-2007, 06:09 PM	#151 (permalink)
vallee Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tennessee Posts: 1,212	It is just wrong to limit the families and child's choice. The choice to learn ASL or not should not be in the hands of others. It is just wrong. __________________ Right and Left Implanted July 19, 2007 Activated August 9, 2007 Both Advanced Bionics Harmony

01-05-2008, 05:58 PM	#154 (permalink)
gadgetki Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: southern california Posts: 8	question about ASL fading away? I read your posts about ASL fading away... well, it can be true because I researched few history you need to know. when old FSL being brought from France to America, they still use 63% old FSL, later native american sign language and home made signs were added in 50 year later. so we no longer use old FSL anymore because old FSL already faded away because we can't restore it back... so we did fade old ASL away, for example, using two hands like help, several signs like this. this was why old ASL are faded away. because we don't need to use old signs like them anymore. in addition, in my option, I would say "evolution of ASL" from beginning of old FSL to modern ASL in addition, be aware of this SEE and PSE because SEE was growing fastest than ASL in 70's. in my opinion I would say one word "accompany" because I believe in deaf communities use ASL, SEE, and PSE they will be combined into Modern ASL. I am sure ASL, SEE and PSE will soon faded away if we evolve signing style is modern ASL. same reason as happened to Italy, Latin were faded away until they named a language after name of country in 18th century because Italian still speaks Latin as same before Why they will be combined into Modern ASL? two reasons, if many deaf people do not have videophone, so they would vary ASL, PSE and SEE forever. when they have VP presently, so they will adjust and adhere (stick together) together before new modern ASL will be combined in future. two reasons, deaf communities have been growing fast to provide technology, education, recreation, and etc which to improve new sign style Garrett

02-20-2008, 05:57 PM	#157 (permalink)
lumbingmi Invigorated Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 4,306	Nah. Dont worry about ASL. Deaf Culture and Deafhood will not allow this to happen (Remember infamous Milan 1880? Fortunately for us that Gallaudet preserved ASL) It will remain strong especially with emergence of bi bi philosophy. Only thing we have to worry is Cochlear Implants and Oralism. They are visible threat to ASL. __________________ Picard: Seize the time, Meribor, live now. Make now always the most precious time. Now will never come again. Meribor: I love you, father.

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02-20-2008, 05:27 PM	#156 (permalink)
jasin Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Puyallup, Washington Posts: 1,537	I guess it really depends on how you look at it. Many are still learning Asl and wanting to learn asl, but yet, oralism and implants are becoming more popular too. I know when I have children Asl will be their first language and Tagalog and English will be their second. I will teach and stress Asl to be their primary language.

02-20-2008, 06:30 PM	#158 (permalink)
jasin Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Puyallup, Washington Posts: 1,537	As long as there is deaf people and deaf culture there will be Asl.