vallee

It is just wrong to limit the families and child's choice. The choice to learn ASL or not should not be in the hands of others. It is just wrong.

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loml

Bill 118 is not forbidding the families to learn ASL, but it reads that the government funding for the learning ASL has been pulled.

http://www.chs.ca/pdf/Bill_118_Submission.pdf

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jillio

Lets see.....government funding for cochlear implant....... government funding pulled for ASL instruction for parents considering CI for their child. How is that not restrictive? It is pure manipulation of a parent's ride to make decision regarding their child. As well as support for the conclusion that CI and the renewed efforts at forced oralism are intimately tied together.

gadgetki

I read your posts about ASL fading away...


well, it can be true because I researched few history you need to know.

when old FSL being brought from France to America, they still use 63% old FSL, later native american sign language and home made signs were added in 50 year later.

so we no longer use old FSL anymore because old FSL already faded away because we can't restore it back...

so we did fade old ASL away, for example, using two hands like help, several signs like this. this was why old ASL are faded away. because we don't need to use old signs like them anymore.

in addition, in my option, I would say "evolution of ASL" from beginning of old FSL to modern ASL

in addition, be aware of this SEE and PSE because SEE was growing fastest than ASL in 70's. in my opinion I would say one word "accompany" because I believe in deaf communities use ASL, SEE, and PSE they will be combined into Modern ASL. I am sure ASL, SEE and PSE will soon faded away if we evolve signing style is modern ASL.

same reason as happened to Italy, Latin were faded away until they named a language after name of country in 18th century because Italian still speaks Latin as same before

Why they will be combined into Modern ASL? two reasons, if many deaf people do not have videophone, so they would vary ASL, PSE and SEE forever. when they have VP presently, so they will adjust and adhere (stick together) together before new modern ASL will be combined in future.

two reasons, deaf communities have been growing fast to provide technology, education, recreation, and etc which to improve new sign style

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shel90

I agree with you...that is VERY restrictive. Oralism at its worst with this situation.

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jasin

I guess it really depends on how you look at it. Many are still learning Asl and wanting to learn asl, but yet, oralism and implants are becoming more popular too. I know when I have children Asl will be their first language and Tagalog and English will be their second. I will teach and stress Asl to be their primary language.

lumbingmi

Nah. Dont worry about ASL. Deaf Culture and Deafhood will not allow this to happen (Remember infamous Milan 1880? Fortunately for us that Gallaudet preserved ASL) It will remain strong especially with emergence of bi bi philosophy.

Only thing we have to worry is Cochlear Implants and Oralism. They are visible threat to ASL.

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jasin

As long as there is deaf people and deaf culture there will be Asl.

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PowerON

If Earth has end of the world and we live either in underwater or in space, there is no air to make communicate, we have to use sign language.

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DeafCaroline

Considering how many oral deaf adults are taking up ASL, I doubt this language is fading away. There's an obvious need for it.

shel90

No shit!

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dogmom

the contrast between the need for it and those implications, and how it is actually generally de-valued, is quite striking-

Grayma

It's very much a living language, yes? So I think it will change and expand, like other living languages, but I don't see it disappearing. I think current technology has allowed hearing people who have never met or seen a deaf person to be exposed to the language and to Deaf culture in a way they never would have before.
Sign language is incredibly visually appealing and beautiful, even to hearing people who do not know anything about it.

I am talking about youtube, vimeo, shows like Switched at Birth, performing artists like Sean Forbes and Signmark (and probably others I don't know about), the involvement of people like Keith Wann in a national reading campaign. This wider exposure builds up interest.

I also think that more and more young parents are starting to use some sign with their babies. We use it with our mentally retarded daughter, who cannot speak, and we used it a lot with our seventh child, who did not speak until after he was two. It's not enough to sustain a full language, but it's part of the wider exposure sign is getting.

Grummer

not as many as we'd like...

and it IS under threat.....just look at how many newbies coming in here, MOST of them have CI and prefer oral.......get real

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Frisky Feline

Yes that's what I see here. So i had to bump every asl threads in order to be recognized that is really useful. I know im just an asl user but its my age. BUT i do think of other young kids who would like ASL very much for their own people to hang out together.

social skill is very important that would not impact the self esteem issue.

kokonut

I see no threat to sign language or it disappearing anytime soon. In fact, it is technology that has helped preserve and propagate this concept called "sign language."

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Frisky Feline

it is all in your head.

kokonut

Nope. In fact, go to YouTube and type in "ASL" or "American sign language" or "sign language"

"ASL" = 96,700 results
"American sign language" = 30,500 results
"sign language" = 123,000 results

YouTube technology has allowed the preservation and propagation of sign language to flourish and grow. This has been growing ever since YouTube and other video sources came on the scene over the internet. This wasn't possible 10 years ago. Since it's available over the internet interest in signing would be much more receptive viewing it on a video than say in a bland sign language book available only in a bookstore or library.

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Grummer

Sign language is NOT a 'concept' it is a REAL language thank you very much, also as for the internet 'phenomenon' same goes for Anything, the thing is the
'internet age' as i might say (others more 'offical terms might be information age") ... it doesnt really REALLY allow information flow, it does however, opens up abit but moreso it opens to new ways of trading (information) for $$...and fetishising many curious things/activity about, in the world. I dont believe it preserves, because to REALLY preserve thet language is HAS to be USED daily in ordinary lives (or weekly, whatever float the deaf individuals boat) but it is prefered to be used as the 'norm' not as some 'i can sign' as a 'cool status' which is basically where it lands for Most HEARING people, CODAs might feeling it about different though, as it was their parents language , including 'homesigns' which could be mistaken as 'grassroots culture'...anyway

just because theres internet, dont kid us, its arent 'that' safe...its just a novelty to most internet users, nothing more...

after all, it IS under threat, look at school, how many younger people are most oralised..
it is something to be alarmed about...moreso whats really alarming it the mental and social health of Deaf youth is No different as in the 1960-1970-1980s...it is still Mainstream and mainstream means cutting off signs from linguistic exposure. Whereas on internet, (ok some are good) but it doesnt cut it it doesnt provide REAL exposure. it had to be used in REAL LIFE....always.

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kokonut

Preservation is being done when more people become aware of sign language by coming across a video whether it's the show "Switched at Birth" or on YouTube. And with awareness comes with interest on learning it and using it. Greater exposure increases the chance for greater preservation. I'd say that more deaf/hh people are learning and using sign language today than did back in the 1960s and 1970s.

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Grayma

I agree it's not enough to preserve. I also agree that much of the newly generated interest is faddish in nature.

I just also think the broader exposure is still good, and does open up a 'wider market' for ASL, and that there are some hearing people who will persist in learning and applying ASL, who never would have seen it 20 years ago.

Or there's the situation in my life where a deaf lady has started coming to church and several of us are trying to learn sign or improve our ancient, rusty sign so we can communicate with her better. The internet is making that possible. I think without the youtube videos and sites like Lifeprint, even the hearing that *want* to learn in order to communicate with a real deaf person would get discouraged sooner.

So I agree that's not enough, but I do think it helps. Really, I think even the faddish interest helps some.

TXgolfer

Not too mention Vid phones....

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kokonut

Speaking of that, I bet if one makes a list of television shows over the years you'd find an increasing number deaf, signing characters and signing deaf actors over the last decade or so.

Deaf People on Television - Deafness on Television from the 1950s to Modern Times

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DeafCaroline

"get real"? - hmmm....

kokonut

I'd be hard pressed to use AD (those who contribute in here) as a demographic tool thinking it's reflective with the rest of the deaf/hh community (signers and non-signers) as a "bell weather" on determing the trend of ASL. It'd be a poor choice to do that because people would just guess instead of validating it.

What is a known fact is that there are more deaf and hard of hearing people than Deaf people. It wouldn't be a surprise if we see more "oral" or deaf/hh non-signers come in here in AD to read and participate (as opposed to lurkers).

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deafdyke

That is b/c a) Most dhh people lost their hearing as adults, rather then as children. It's pretty much the same with the blind population. Most blind people are those who lost their sight as adults. The pediatric blind population is tiny compared to adult blind, and b) a lot of HOH kids weren't exposed to ASL/deaf culture historically.
The totally blind(NLP, which means No Light Perception) population is VERY tiny. Does that mean that Braille shouldn't be used?

deafdyke

One thing that I REALLY think that Schools for the Deaf need to do is create a program for middle/high school so that kids whose first language is spoken English, can become fluent in ASL. I guanetee you ASL use would skyrocket.......HUGELY!

shel90

Many of them are already doing that.

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deafdyke

Yes, but do they advertise it? I do think some of the problem is that we have a lot of parents who might just be kind of clueless about the fact that oral kids can go to signing deaf schools. I think actually a lot of parents are prolly very uninformed about what goes on at a deaf school, and think it's something out of the 1800's when things were voice off. I also think they need to really push their middle and high school programs for kids who are struggling.