netrox

You know, cued speech was used for ONLY 40 years and only around a thousand deaf kids use it.

Yet, deaf cuers this year already enter Yale, MIT, Stanford, Wellesley, Syracuse, Baylor College of Dentistry and other similiar universities.

Now, if you look at the whole picture - oralists and signers have been around for hundred of years and the percentage of them entering those advanced universities is so tiny that you'd know all their names by heart.

And when you take a look at deaf cuers, they're SO MUCH MORE LIKELY to enter those colleges.

Deaf children would benefit so much from being exposed to cued English. If all deaf kids know cued English, they would have MORE opportunities.

Deafness

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Endymion

Netrox, I'm a CS supporter, but I hope you don't mind me asking -- do you have any citations on this? I'd love to get my hands on some!

netrox

Actually, I don't have citations, I am citing from my expereince - I know those cuers in those schools. Why so many are in those schools even tho it's only been around for just 40 years? In fact, I know TWO cuers who entered Wellesly at different times (neither knew each other because of a decade apart).

ismi

I know one cuer at MIT and one at Wellesley. Are there more than that?

Cousin Vinny

Anecdotal evidence will only get you so far. In I were a betting man, the numbers of Deaf ASL'ers attending college other than Gally/RIT, outnumbers the CE users attending college. Only the oral DHH group outnumbers both segments, and that's because of the sheer numbers involved.

Don't get me wrong; I like CE very much and am glad to see many more DHH people entering prestigious colleges and Ivy's, regardless of what communications method they grew up in. Gallaudet may get the lion's share of DHH students, but I'm glad America has given young DHH students choices in attending post-secondary institutions.

netrox

I am talking about the percentage of deaf signers/oralists out of ALL deaf people with those methods entering those schools, NOT by the sheer number of them entering those colleges.

There are only a thousand deaf cuers YET if you do the math, it's quite surprising that a much higher percentage of deaf cuers enter those schools than those who used other methods. There are a million deaf signers and yet you'd have so few of them in those schools - for example, lets say, 2 signers out of a million signers entered Wellesley while two out of a thousand cuers got into that school. That is statistically significant - 2:1,000,000 vs 2:1,000.

Anyone playing a lotto for the same prize would go for the odds of 2:1,000 instead of 2:1,000,000!

jillio

You need a course in research methods and statistics. Your methods are skewed, and therefore lead to incorrect conclusions. You have no recognized studies supporting your conclusions. At best, you have a hypothesis that has been untested and unproven. Your statistical analysis, therefore, in insignificant and unsupported. PLEASE!

me_punctured

My response is not a direct attack of the method of cued English, but a skeptical one of the relationship between the exposure of cued English and the increased opportunities. If you want to be a fierce proponent of cued English, you will have to be careful in determining its success. Correlation does not always imply causation.

If you want to convince us that cued English increases the deaf child's likelihood of going to Tier-1 universities by linking higher literacy to higher education, do not do it with anecdotal evidence. Do it with statistics (which, by the way, can be refuted by the argument that they may be a sample representative of a specific population) and citations. Check any possible unknown mechanisms that may turn your stance into a whole logical fallacy. Show us. Don't just tell us!

deafdyke

Thanks mepunctured! You rock!! I mean if it is true that more CS users go to top tier universities, that would rock.....but you gotta have stats, and discuss about the possible impact of things like "might be studying a particular high achieving population.
Also, do they tend to stay at the universities? I know one problem with college students with disablities who go to colleges where there's not great disabilty support, is that they seem to have a high drop out rate....I know a lot of kids who went to non Deaf colleges, and who ended up having to drop out.

fyborg

Success in higher education, I don't think, is dependent on cued speech. What about total communicators? Oralies? Signers?
It seems a lot of the obervation is based on one group of deaf people getting better P.R. than the rest of the population.

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