Lack of privacy..

Audiofuzzy · 06-15-2006, 09:23 PM

How do you sign-ers copy with obvious lack of privacy when conversing in public?
I was sitting at the train when two deaf men got on the train and started talking.
I couldn't help but thought If I knew ASL then I surely would understand every thing they said.

So how do you protect yourself from, say, accidently spilling too much that may even land you in hot water?

in other words how do you secure your privacy?

Fuzzy

Heath · 06-15-2006, 09:45 PM

If I am on the city subway train, we talk about normal things and keep the private stuff for at the house. If I am on Amtrak train then I get a room with a bed and a bathroom then can chat in private.

Boult · 06-15-2006, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Heath

If I am on the city subway train, we talk about normal things and keep the private stuff for at the house. If I am on Amtrak train then I get a room with a bed and a bathroom then can chat in private.

well unfortunately some deaf are not like that way you do... they blurt gossip in pubic. Even normal things can be turned into gossip that's because they didn't know that you have done it when you thought it is ok to talk about...

sr171soars · 06-15-2006, 10:24 PM

Er...it is not just a "deaf" issue per se when it comes to saying things in public that are better left unsaid. It is more of a common sense issue. Seems like many don't have it while some do.

Boult · 06-15-2006, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by sr171soars

Er...it is not just a "deaf" issue per se when it comes to saying things in public that are better left unsaid. It is more of a common sense issue. Seems like many don't have it while some do.

indeed

06-15-2006, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Audiofuzzy

How do you sign-ers copy with obvious lack of privacy when conversing in public?
I was sitting at the train when two deaf men got on the train and started talking.
I couldn't help but thought If I knew ASL then I surely would understand every thing they said.

So how do you protect yourself from, say, accidently spilling too much that may even land you in hot water?

in other words how do you secure your privacy?

Fuzzy

Fuzzy,

Why don't you ask them what they are chatting about? I am sure that they are not stupid to spill their private issues in general public. Moreover, there are not many people know about our ASL. That's too bad for you for not learning our ASL.....

farmerjoe · 06-15-2006, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sr171soars

Er...it is not just a "deaf" issue per se when it comes to saying things in public that are better left unsaid. It is more of a common sense issue. Seems like many don't have it while some do.

That's right, hearing people blurt out things in public too, or so my girlfriend tells me.

I don't worry about privecy when I'm out in public. and speaking of privecy I have a story with a weird twist.

I was at the rehersal dinner for my brother's wedding. It was kind of noisy and everybody was just talkinng back and forth. My girlfriend (she's hearing) and I start signing so that we can have a usefull conversation.
My entire extended family is hearing, my (future) sister-in-law's family is hering. I grew up hearing so the whole being nearly deaf and using ASL is new to them, I guess.

Anyway, the next day, my dad scolded me for signing. He said that it makes the rest of the family uncomfortable because they think we're talking about them.

All I could think was wht the F@#$^!??!

Audiofuzzy · 06-16-2006, 03:04 AM

Hearing people can lower their voices if they don't want anybody overhear, or whisper,
I don't know how can you hide your signing...?

I was in the company of a deaf man at the stadium once, and he spied some people signing from a field across. He said he can understand what they are saying but out of respect he does not look at them. But also he said not everyone does that.

Another thing -yes, hearing people do blurt things out in public but the chances of meeting someone around who knows you are very slim. It's different with deaf community in one city - almost everybody knows everybody.

Would you admit to spying on other people signing? I dare you..

Fuzzy

sequoias · 06-16-2006, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Audiofuzzy

How do you sign-ers copy with obvious lack of privacy when conversing in public?
I was sitting at the train when two deaf men got on the train and started talking.
I couldn't help but thought If I knew ASL then I surely would understand every thing they said.

So how do you protect yourself from, say, accidently spilling too much that may even land you in hot water?

in other words how do you secure your privacy?

Fuzzy

Well, deaf people aren't alone. Hearing people have that issue, too. Lot of hearing people CAN overhear what they're talking about when someone's sneaking in or listening to their conversations or whatever.

ideafspy · 06-16-2006, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by sequoias

Well, deaf people aren't alone. Hearing people have that issue, too. Lot of hearing people CAN overhear what they're talking about when someone's sneaking in or listening to their conversations or whatever.

Yes, that true even my parents tell me to "shh shh" I asked my parent, "what are you doing?" My parent said, "I am listen what they are talking about..."

Gee.. nosey...

06-16-2006, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by farmerjoe

That's right, hearing people blurt out things in public too, or so my girlfriend tells me.

I don't worry about privecy when I'm out in public. and speaking of privecy I have a story with a weird twist.

I was at the rehersal dinner for my brother's wedding. It was kind of noisy and everybody was just talkinng back and forth. My girlfriend (she's hearing) and I start signing so that we can have a usefull conversation.
My entire extended family is hearing, my (future) sister-in-law's family is hering. I grew up hearing so the whole being nearly deaf and using ASL is new to them, I guess.

Anyway, the next day, my dad scolded me for signing. He said that it makes the rest of the family uncomfortable because they think we're talking about them.

All I could think was wht the F@#$^!??!

that's not right for your dad to say that! geez...

06-16-2006, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Audiofuzzy

Hearing people can lower their voices if they don't want anybody overhear, or whisper,
I don't know how can you hide your signing...?

I was in the company of a deaf man at the stadium once, and he spied some people signing from a field across. He said he can understand what they are saying but out of respect he does not look at them. But also he said not everyone does that.

Another thing -yes, hearing people do blurt things out in public but the chances of meeting someone around who knows you are very slim. It's different with deaf community in one city - almost everybody knows everybody.

Would you admit to spying on other people signing? I dare you..

Fuzzy

Actually...NO! I wouldn't feel comfortable to spying on other people signing...When I see them signing...I tend to approach and say hi to them..and have short period of time chat...Im always polite and respect people's privacy...I dont like to spy their conversations...It is out of respect and immaturity thing to do...

But..When Im busy like shopping or whatever...When I see people signing..I just ignore and keep myself busy...like I dont have time to stop by say hi and chat...just keep walking and do my errands...

Let me ask you something...Since you are hearing...do you know sign language? or are you learning or what? How did you learn about our AllDeaf Forum here?

Boult · 06-16-2006, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by coloravalanche

Actually...NO! I wouldn't feel comfortable to spying on other people signing...When I see them signing...I tend to approach and say hi to them..and have short period of time chat...Im always polite and respect people's privacy...I dont like to spy their conversations...It is out of respect and immaturity thing to do...

But..When Im busy like shopping or whatever...When I see people signing..I just ignore and keep myself busy...like I dont have time to stop by say hi and chat...just keep walking and do my errands...

Let me ask you something...Since you are hearing...do you know sign language? or are you learning or what? How did you learn about our AllDeaf Forum here?

uhhh no audiofuzzy is not hearing... check all her posts

06-16-2006, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Boult

uhhh no audiofuzzy is not hearing... check all her posts

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I couldn't help but thought If I knew ASL then I surely would understand every thing they said.

Then Why did she say that? It sounded like to me that she's hearing..

but thanks for letting me know..

LuciaDisturbed · 06-16-2006, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by coloravalanche

Then Why did she say that? It sounded like to me that she's hearing..

but thanks for letting me know..

Not all deaf and hoh people know sign language.

Audiofuzzy · 06-16-2006, 04:15 AM

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Let me ask you something...Since you are hearing...do you know sign language? or are you learning or what? How did you learn about our AllDeaf Forum here?

I am not hearing, I am functioning as hearing - I am HoH but technically I am deaf. I can't hear wihout my HAs.

I do not know sign language and I was thinking about learning ASL for a while but I am suffering with severe migraines and I am too tired most of the time.

I found ADF on Google.
Despite adapting pretty well to the hearing world I always felt I am missing on deaf culture, because no matter how well one is adapted to a hearing pple if you can't hear 100% you want to look for someone like you.

so one day I had the lightbulb moment and thought -this is Internet era! - and halleluia! found AD

Fuzzy

sr171soars · 06-16-2006, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by LuciaDisturbed

Not all deaf and hoh people know sign language.

Agreed.

Just to back Fuzzy up, I had been HOH forever and now deaf due to CI and I have never learned sign. I have always been able to get along in the hearing world and not need sign.

06-16-2006, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by coloravalanche

Actually...NO! I wouldn't feel comfortable to spying on other people signing...When I see them signing...I tend to approach and say hi to them..and have short period of time chat...Im always polite and respect people's privacy...I dont like to spy their conversations...It is out of respect and immaturity thing to do...

But..When Im busy like shopping or whatever...When I see people signing..I just ignore and keep myself busy...like I dont have time to stop by say hi and chat...just keep walking and do my errands...

Let me ask you something...Since you are hearing...do you know sign language? or are you learning or what? How did you learn about our AllDeaf Forum here?

Coloravalanche, let me assist you to join the memberships of Alexander Graham Bell Association for the deaf and Self Help Hard of Hearing. You will obtain handsome info from the deaf oralists.

Perphas, they will help you to become a borg.

Reba · 06-16-2006, 09:28 AM

Hearing people are guilty of saying private things in public, especially on cell phones. While in line at the store check out, I heard this woman talking about her divorce and legal problems. Some people don't seem to care who hears or sees their conversations.

Boult · 06-16-2006, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mookie

Coloravalanche, let me assist you to join the memberships of Alexander Graham Bell Association for the deaf and Self Help Hard of Hearing. You will obtain handsome info from the deaf oralists.

Perphas, they will help you to become a borg.

Thanks for posting this links for prospective readers

by the way, FYI that SHHH is now HLAA as of March 2006 they change name to Hearing Loss Association of America. Yes, the url you provided does work but redirect the reader to HLAA now.

Thanks again!

gnulinuxman · 06-16-2006, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Audiofuzzy

How do you sign-ers copy with obvious lack of privacy when conversing in public?

One way is to pull a jacket around us and sign behind it. Or we can sign smaller or under a table, or just fingerspell under a table.... There are ways. Or, if it must be private, we can write it down instead of signing it.

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Originally Posted by Reba

Hearing people are guilty of saying private things in public, especially on cell phones. While in line at the store check out, I heard this woman talking about her divorce and legal problems. Some people don't seem to care who hears or sees their conversations.

Oh yeah, and these idiots usually have their phones up so loud I can hear the other end of it too...

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Originally Posted by Boult

Thanks for posting this links for prospective readers

by the way, FYI that SHHH is now HLAA as of March 2006 they change name to Hearing Loss Association of America. Yes, the url you provided does work but redirect the reader to HLAA now.

Thanks again!

I really think Mookie was being sarcastic. Please stop worshipping your CI long enough to pay attention....

Interpretrator · 06-16-2006, 12:44 PM

Hearing people can't help but overhear other people, whereas signers (deaf or hearing) can be polite and look away from other people's conversations.

In our ITP we were told it is polite to inform people in a situation like Audiofuzzy's that you can sign, so their conversation may not be as private as they think. I think our teacher's motivation in telling us this was to encourage us to interact with deaf people, but personally I've never felt comfortable with this. I just try not to look at them. If I notice a break in the conversation I may sign something like "nice day" or other small talk just to give them a hint that there's a signer around, but generally I try to ignore it, although it can be difficult. (Not because I care about the gossip of strangers but because it's just hard for me to look away from signers!)

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Originally Posted by gnulinuxman

Please stop worshipping your CI long enough to pay attention....

What positive results are you expecting to accomplish with a comment like that, I wonder?

Audiofuzzy · 06-16-2006, 04:28 PM

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Hearing people are guilty of saying private things in public, especially on cell phones. While in line at the store check out, I heard this woman talking about her divorce and legal problems. Some people don't seem to care who hears or sees their conversations.

But of course, yes, that is true some hearing people does not care what they say in public and who may hear it,
but I only asked how do you deal with the lack of privacy, there is no need to compare yourself to the hearing people over and over. We already covered that...

Just because the signing is rather obvious and easily readable form afar does not mean it is any lesser form of communication, just different and one that comes with it's own set of problems, that is all.

No need to compare to hearing ways.

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One way is to pull a jacket around us and sign behind it. Or we can sign smaller or under a table, or just fingerspell under a table.... There are ways. Or, if it must be private, we can write it down instead of signing it.

Now, that seem to be a good way.

Fuzzy

SxyPorkie · 06-19-2006, 10:37 PM

Nothing is wrong with using ASL in the public places same as hearies... we the deafies usually use ASL in normal consverations in the public... we are private too conservations in the private places like close friends or family...

Too bad for you... you are stuck in between hearing and deaf worlds... you dont understand everything in life...

Thanks!
SxyPorkie

Cheri · 06-19-2006, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Hearing people are guilty of saying private things in public, especially on cell phones. While in line at the store check out, I heard this woman talking about her divorce and legal problems. Some people don't seem to care who hears or sees their conversations.

Most of my family have cellular phones, They think I wouldn't understand what is being said, They intended to forget that I can read lips it's not that they care who's listening over their conversation. Same goes for deaf people as well, When I bump into some Deaf at a local restaurant or shopping malls, overseeing them signing, there are times I cannot see what they're talking about, because they intended to sign fast before your very eyes can catch what they're saying. I can only catches part of their sign language, not word for word, because of that they would be already signing by the time I walk past or see them.

When Angel and I are anywhere out in public we use half signs and half spoken english language so that there would be no nosey folks can catch what we are really talking about.

I've noticed that a few people would looked over us and watch us sign, then sometimes one would come over and ask questions like, what's the sign for "Ily" I like it when people get interesting.

06-15-2006, 09:23 PM	#1 (permalink)
Audiofuzzy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,968	Lack of privacy.. How do you sign-ers copy with obvious lack of privacy when conversing in public? I was sitting at the train when two deaf men got on the train and started talking. I couldn't help but thought If I knew ASL then I surely would understand every thing they said. So how do you protect yourself from, say, accidently spilling too much that may even land you in hot water? in other words how do you secure your privacy? Fuzzy

06-15-2006, 10:24 PM	#4 (permalink)
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06-15-2006, 09:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
Heath Banned Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 7,959	If I am on the city subway train, we talk about normal things and keep the private stuff for at the house. If I am on Amtrak train then I get a room with a bed and a bathroom then can chat in private.

06-16-2006, 03:04 AM	#8 (permalink)
Audiofuzzy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,968	Hearing people can lower their voices if they don't want anybody overhear, or whisper, I don't know how can you hide your signing...? I was in the company of a deaf man at the stadium once, and he spied some people signing from a field across. He said he can understand what they are saying but out of respect he does not look at them. But also he said not everyone does that. Another thing -yes, hearing people do blurt things out in public but the chances of meeting someone around who knows you are very slim. It's different with deaf community in one city - almost everybody knows everybody. Would you admit to spying on other people signing? I dare you.. Fuzzy

06-16-2006, 09:28 AM	#19 (permalink)
Reba Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 17,288	Hearing people are guilty of saying private things in public, especially on cell phones. While in line at the store check out, I heard this woman talking about her divorce and legal problems. Some people don't seem to care who hears or sees their conversations.

06-19-2006, 10:37 PM	#24 (permalink)
SxyPorkie SxyPorkie Join Date: May 2006 Location: Southern California Posts: 3,095	Nothing is wrong with using ASL in the public places same as hearies... we the deafies usually use ASL in normal consverations in the public... we are private too conservations in the private places like close friends or family... Too bad for you... you are stuck in between hearing and deaf worlds... you dont understand everything in life... Thanks! SxyPorkie

06-19-2006, 11:25 PM	#26 (permalink)
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