gnulinuxman

I'm not arguing that hearing is better than deafness or that deafness is better than hearing. Neither group is "better" than the other. Sure, individuals vary, but in the big picture, both groups are very capable of great things.

I know this is but I must post this....

I hope one day to see a world where deaf and hearing people respected each other the way they are or want to be. Right now, here's the way I see it:

• Older deaf people who grew up in oralist schools are afraid that deaf kids will have to go through the torture that they did when growing up in a pure oralist environment.
• Same as above with those who continue to have abusive pure-oral childhoods.
• Late-deafened people tend to miss the hearing world because they lived in it their whole lives. Not realizing it half the time, they brag a lot about the hearing world and often can't imagine why a deaf person would want to "deprive themselves of sound" or something like that.
• Culturally Deaf people see this as very rude, and, to them, it looks like these late-deafened people don't like who they are.
• Late-deafened people then wonder why culturally Deaf people don't accept them.
• Culturally Deaf people are amazed that these late-deafened people still don't get it.
• Hearing people are generally unaware of deafness and get a lot of wrong information about things like Deaf Culture, signing, lipreading, oralism, cochlear implants, etc. mainly because they haven't had any deaf friends.
• Some hearing people are genuinely stupid and disrespectful, and others think they know that hearing is right and deafness is wrong and pitiful, but most just don't know.
• Late-deafened people tend to wonder why hearing people like me have so many culturally Deaf friends, and then hate us because they don't understand where we accepted hearing people actually stand.
• Hearing people and late-deafened people think the "loud" Deaf Power minority of the culture is what everybody there feels like and so are stereotyping the whole culture because of them.
• Deaf Culture is about respect and rights. However, it is viewed as being purely signing by those who are not accepted by the Culture, even though I have yet to meet a culturally Deaf person who thinks speech is useless. The Deaf Culture really has more of an "At least sign with your deaf child" attitude than an "Oral speech is useless and evil!" attitude.
• Some oral deaf people come into the culture saying "I don't need to sign! Why should I learn to sign?" attitude, and then wonder why they are rejected. Heather Whitestone-McCallum is one famous person who had an oralist attitude similar to this.
• The CI is viewed as an attempt to fix deafness by some culturally Deaf people, but most see that a lot of users of the CI brag about being able to hear and some have an "I'm better than you because you don't use a CI!" attitude, with or without realizing it.
• Some interpreters are in the Deaf Culture because they want money. However, hearing people often see them as experts on deaf people and get wrong ideas from the manipulative ones (the ones who are in it for the money and power over deaf people).
• Some Deaf people who grew up culturally Deaf are unwilling to understand why the ones who grew up orally are afraid of oralism's negative points. They come across as "I'm right; you're wrong; so buzz off!" because they don't know what it's like to go through oralist or pure-oral education and can't (or won't) imagine any downside. It's pretty rare, but it happens. The main motivation for this attitude seems to be jealousy. (Example: Fragmenter)
• "Perfect parent syndrome" is my name for the refusal by a shocking number of parents to believe any parent could be abusive and/or selfish. I see this here a lot.

There you have it--every angle of the situation. Please read this. I know I had to generalize here a bit, and I know not everyone in those groups is the same.

Many does not mean most, and some doesn't mean most either.

Please REALLY think about this.

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Interpretrator

Guess the American Annals of the Deaf and the Journal of Deaf Studies and Deaf Education can shut their doors now.

Sweetmind

Have you read what fuzzy said it all along in Evidence of being deaf with HA? if not then Fuzzy twisted around and put it into my mouth that I have not said a rude comment to her.. She jumped to conclusion as usual.


Thats what I exactly said in my topic.....

Ok, Now Im confused...I have read that you said that u wear two hearing aids, are an Oral speaker, and dont sign. You have also said that you have No plm communicating with Hearing people,and associate with the hearing world only. Now you also said you dont know/understand ASL and cannot hear with two HAs from the computer that has lo/hi volumes, and NOW English is your second language I m too confused by everything that you said.. What is your First Language if it is not English or ASL?

What do you mean u have an excuse that English is your second langauge??
I assumed knowing English would help you with grammar whether spoken or written.

I am not being rude by this post about you (Fuzzy)...I just had to point this out. You jumped to conclusions...that is your issue, not mine.

Closed caption doesnt work with ASL movies...because Closed caption is English. Its ruins the image of ASL. It ruins the true language of plays in video. There is a difference between English and ASL. Heearing people CODA know the difference. That is the purpose for it. If you really want to understand you should hire an oral speaking interpreter, dont try to change ASL thats the way it is.

You chose not to learn ASL which is fine with me but however you have no right to place your shoes into it after all you dont know nothing about ASL itself from the start. Thats what I dont appreciate with audism people who thinks they know it all.

Thats what it s all about Deaf cultures and our Deaf spirits.

Many thanks!
Sweetmind

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Boult

curious why? just wondering because of what gnu listed?

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Sweetmind

Mookie Read this!!! I have said it all along in my topic.


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Thank you!
Sweetmind

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Interpretrator

I was just being sarcastic.

Boult

That's what I thought

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Audiofuzzy

I do not expected Wann's video to be translanted word in word. I know it can be impossible. Either translate after interpreter (how does HE gets it?) , or work harder to get the CC as reasonable and close as possible.

BTW the same way apply BOTH ways - since ASL is so different how's that possible to translate spoken text into ASL ? it will lose it's momentum!

ASL is not rocket science language! it can be translated!

every language have different grammar and it's own idioms that are impossible to translate word to word. No translation -dubbing or subbing- is word for word, hardly ever.

Translation is not just a mechanical job but it requires certain skills, a gift for it, to bo done well. One must take under consideration local langauge's characteristic and 'atmosphere' to be able to translate just so the foreign viewer will get the climate of what is being said. there is many factors involved in good translation. Bottom line - it can be done.

Fuzzy

Audiofuzzy

I twisted nothing. You were trying to belittle and ridicule me here:

maybe if you skipped your ummphh and changed the tone when you are talking to me it wouldn't be so rude.


YES, and my speech is not perfect.

I couldn't have said it in this context.
I could have said I have most times no prbm communicating orally with hearing pple and I can always communicate well by writting with anyone.
In my native language- POLISH- I have almost no problems if I can see people faces and they are not far away- I can even talk on the phone providing the speech is fairly clear. Most pple have clear enough. My own family I know so well I can understand single words from other room. Polish pple usually have no plm understanding me, it's worse with English.
Of course sometimes things happen when I need some help. But on the whole I managed on my own most of my life.
But that doesn't mean I can hear and understand everything and always. And w/o my HAs I hear nothing. I'm deaf as a tree stump. So they do make huge difference.
(curiously, w/o HAs if anyone is speaking directly into my ear not even too loud I can understand the same as with HAs - in polish though, I didn't check in english)

No, I only know a few simple signs and can understand some visual expressions like grrrr (mad) or horns and milking cow (milk) this type etc.


yes I CAN hear (depending on volume) but that does not mean I understand what I hear. If there were subtitles I could even match the words to the sounds.


my first language is Polish

well, I never went to any English language school I learned it myself from talking to pple and reading a lot. It does not help with grammar because nobody and nothing teaches you the rules of grammar this way. It's just my instinct that directs my writing.
At least I don't do spelling mistakes if I do it's a typo.
my Polish on the other hand is perfect.

If it wasn't rude I would not get so upset.


please read my earlier post. caption what oral speaking interpreter says.

Just because I personally don't know ASL does not mean I don't know what it is. You can research about it, you can ask questions and it was explained to me about ASL having it's own grammar and why it's diffrent from regular English.

And here again you are implying I am an audist and thus insulting me- yet again.


Fuzzy

Mookie

Are you willing to retake college courses to study in Cued-Speech for CI students after losing your ASL terp job?

Interpretrator

What the hell are you talking about?

IslandGal

Look at you....you do love giving deaf people a slap in their faces
You didn't have to say this even after what gnu said, you know?

Audiofuzzy

Oh. no? what makes you so special? why it is alright to abuse hearing pple like that, or more correctly in this particular case - HoH like me -,
but it is not if it's done to the deaf?

Isn't it a double standard, dear?


Fuzzy

Mookie

Care to explain:

Boult

Mookie look at her reply to me eh..

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gnulinuxman

Stop generalizing. Not all hearing people are offended by what you think we are. How is that "abuse", anyway?

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gnulinuxman

Good point, Mookie! If Deaf Culture dies, interpreters lose their jobs.

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ismi

Ah, right. Because interpreting (and transliterating) are preferences, not needed accommodations, and thus aren't covered under the ADA. Oh, wait ...

Cloggy

So you didn't get that did you?
Read GNU's respond, then read mine... then THINK.... THINK....

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Interpretrator

Not only that but the need for qualified interpreters has been increasing year by year and shows no sign of decreasing, and as many new interpreters have been graduating from ITPs in recent years, the shortage has not yet been alleviated.

I will wok-fry and eat my cat with bell peppers and mushrooms the day that there is no more need for sign language interpreters anywhere on the planet. You heard it here first and are welcome to call me on it when that day comes.

Audiofuzzy

I am not generalizing, she is. and the rest- you know what? since you are so smart go figure it by yourself.

Fuzzy

IslandGal

Eh? I am not saying I am special but I am tired of seeing some hearing people putting deaf people down by rubbing in their faces about how wonderful it is to hear

IslandGal

Are you referring that to me?

Audiofuzzy

yes, and kindly read this please:
and this:
and this:

and THEN this:

before you pass judgement, OK?

Fuzzy

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