hearing learning ASL, how long? - Page 2

SxyPorkie · 07-10-2006, 02:31 PM

It is good for you all hearies to learn ASL but it is most important for you to use facial expressions along with ASL...

SxyPorkie

jillio · 07-10-2006, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SxyPorkie

It is good for you all hearies to learn ASL but it is most important for you to use facial expressions along with ASL...

SxyPorkie

Absolutely, Skyporkie!! Don't worry about saying everthing you sign so you can be speech read (as so many hearing teachers of ASL tell students to do). Use your face to tell me how happy you are, or how mad you are. And don't sign that you are happy to meet someone without smiling. Most hearing teachers of ASL fail to teach that Deaf watch the face, and see signs in the periphery.

ismi · 07-10-2006, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Absolutely, Skyporkie!! Don't worry about saying everthing you sign so you can be speech read (as so many hearing teachers of ASL tell students to do).

I think there is a purpose (in limited cases) to not mouth. Specifically, while mouthing is good for communication, it's not so great for the language learning experience; thus, there are situations where each is appropriate.

jillio · 07-10-2006, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ismi

I think there is a purpose (in limited cases) to not mouth. Specifically, while mouthing is good for communication, it's not so great for the language learning experience; thus, there are situations where each is appropriate.

Sure, when using proper names, etc. I jsut meant not necessary to lip synch every single sign.

signer16 · 07-11-2006, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Use your face to tell me how happy you are, or how mad you are. And don't sign that you are happy to meet someone without smiling. Most hearing teachers of ASL fail to teach that Deaf watch the face, and see signs in the periphery.

YES! That is the big difference...though you can see it in the hands with beginners, the best way to tell the difference between hearing and deaf is the face. OY it is annoying when you see people sign with no expression, boring and difficult to understand!
One interesting tidbit, there has been research done (saw MJ Bienvenu talking about it once) proving deaf people do actually watch the chin/lip area generally, so they can catch the face and the signs.
The other part that was interesting is this, they say that while hearing signers think of the signs first and then add the expressions/facial grammar to fit, (these acts should look simultaneous, this is just in the head of the signer) native signers start with the face and add the signs to fit. Interesting, huh?

jillio · 07-13-2006, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by signer16

YES! That is the big difference...though you can see it in the hands with beginners, the best way to tell the difference between hearing and deaf is the face. OY it is annoying when you see people sign with no expression, boring and difficult to understand!
One interesting tidbit, there has been research done (saw MJ Bienvenu talking about it once) proving deaf people do actually watch the chin/lip area generally, so they can catch the face and the signs.
The other part that was interesting is this, they say that while hearing signers think of the signs first and then add the expressions/facial grammar to fit, (these acts should look simultaneous, this is just in the head of the signer) native signers start with the face and add the signs to fit. Interesting, huh?

Very Interesting!!

SxyPorkie · 07-13-2006, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by signer16

YES! That is the big difference...though you can see it in the hands with beginners, the best way to tell the difference between hearing and deaf is the face. OY it is annoying when you see people sign with no expression, boring and difficult to understand!
One interesting tidbit, there has been research done (saw MJ Bienvenu talking about it once) proving deaf people do actually watch the chin/lip area generally, so they can catch the face and the signs.
The other part that was interesting is this, they say that while hearing signers think of the signs first and then add the expressions/facial grammar to fit, (these acts should look simultaneous, this is just in the head of the signer) native signers start with the face and add the signs to fit. Interesting, huh?

Use the facial expressions along with ASL are most important...
SxyPorkie

indygrl · 07-15-2006, 11:15 PM

I agree that it all depends on the person how quick it takes to learn asl. I've been learning about 5 months now from deaf coworkers at work. It was pretty slow learning at first but now i am doing much better. The more time i spend with my friends the quicker i pick it up. I would like to take a class but i don't have the time right now. So for right now I am learning from my friends...they are very patient with me and i think that they like that im interested in learning.. i also think the reason u want to learn has something to do why u want to learn...if u have a strong desire to learn u'll pick it up quicker..

jwillisbarrie · 07-18-2006, 10:51 PM

I was born with a severe-profound hearing loss. I was taught in school using the oral method with the assistance of a personal FM system. I was able to hear most of what the teacher was saying if they were facing me and the FM was on. The part that I missed was the replies of the other students and the social interactions. I started to learn ASL in the fall of 2004 out of curiosity. It was more or less an academic exercise for me, I had the time and wanted to learn a bit and planned on taking one class - ASL 101 (1A). Then as I picked up and kept learning, 102 & 103. I went to the Ontario Camp of the Deaf last summer (2005) for a one week ASL immersion camp. That was really an eye opener and like others have said on here when you are using ASL 24 hours of the day you learn a lot faster as you are using sign for all of your interactions. Then in the fall of 2005 I started with level 201 to 203. I will be going again this year for level 301 (3A) now. Starting in September I will be taking level 301 classes. I am finding now that I can understand conversations and follow along in my head.

Jim

RDC_girl · 08-10-2006, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by tegumi

The most confusing part of ASL for me is "classifiers"... I will see someone use a classifier, and not know what that sign was, I will ask my friend and be like "wtf sign was that" and then he goes, thats not a sign, thats a classifier...

The first classifer I did this with was "CHA", the C handshape smacking down on an open palm...

I still do this, because of course not every single new handshape you see is a sign, so you have to find out if its a classifier or a sign... basically what it is and how to use it.

Teg

I have taken two ASL classes at University (complete immersion) and the damn classifiers are so frickin confusing. I am in another asl class next fall.

I can have a conversation with a deaf person and understand about 80% of what is being said. I find it much easier to "listen" to someone then to sign myself.

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jwillisbarrie Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Barrie Posts: 34	Learning ASL and having it 'click' I was born with a severe-profound hearing loss. I was taught in school using the oral method with the assistance of a personal FM system. I was able to hear most of what the teacher was saying if they were facing me and the FM was on. The part that I missed was the replies of the other students and the social interactions. I started to learn ASL in the fall of 2004 out of curiosity. It was more or less an academic exercise for me, I had the time and wanted to learn a bit and planned on taking one class - ASL 101 (1A). Then as I picked up and kept learning, 102 & 103. I went to the Ontario Camp of the Deaf last summer (2005) for a one week ASL immersion camp. That was really an eye opener and like others have said on here when you are using ASL 24 hours of the day you learn a lot faster as you are using sign for all of your interactions. Then in the fall of 2005 I started with level 201 to 203. I will be going again this year for level 301 (3A) now. Starting in September I will be taking level 301 classes. I am finding now that I can understand conversations and follow along in my head. Jim

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indygrl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 6	I agree that it all depends on the person how quick it takes to learn asl. I've been learning about 5 months now from deaf coworkers at work. It was pretty slow learning at first but now i am doing much better. The more time i spend with my friends the quicker i pick it up. I would like to take a class but i don't have the time right now. So for right now I am learning from my friends...they are very patient with me and i think that they like that im interested in learning.. i also think the reason u want to learn has something to do why u want to learn...if u have a strong desire to learn u'll pick it up quicker..