loml

CrzyMeg - SEE itself is not a language, ASL is.

__________________
- Dr. Edward C. Merrill, Jr. past president of Gallaudet

Deafness

__________________
This advertising will not be shown in this way to registered members.
Register your free account today and become a member on AllDeaf.com

jillio

SEE is English. It is manualized English. English has many modes: spoken, written, and manualized.

CrzyMeg

I know that. That what i meant.

__________________
"Despite everything, I believe that people are really good at heart." Anne Frank

GO PIRATES! Pensacola Junior College

Win Hearing Aids with the Hidden Hearing Competition

jillio

I thought so.

CrzyMeg

Okay. Good night everyone. Bed time for me.

__________________
"Despite everything, I believe that people are really good at heart." Anne Frank

GO PIRATES! Pensacola Junior College

Win Hearing Aids with the Hidden Hearing Competition

meyag2

off the topic here.

rockdrummer

which system has yielded the most positive results? Where would one go to even find this information?

jillio

ASL. Because it is structured to convey information based on visual processing. The other modes of English are structured to convey information based on auditroy processing, and putting them in a visual mode leads to confusion linguistically.

loml

rockdrummer - Would you provide your definition of "positive results", please. TQVM

__________________
- Dr. Edward C. Merrill, Jr. past president of Gallaudet

jillio

Isn't that self explanatory? The word positive would mean that results show improvement, or increased performance scores.

AlleyCat

I do consider English my first language, especially since I speak so well. I was first taught SEE when I was a child; it wasn't until I was into my teens that I learned ASL was different. When I speak or write, it is fully gramatically correct, but when I sign, it is definitely ASL and not gramatically correct, but following the syntax of the ASL language. Just like Cheri described: ("Me go store" rather than signing out exactly "I am going to the store.") I speak far more than I sign because of my everyday environment, which is why I still consider English my first language.

__________________
Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today.

jillio

I would agree with you. English would no doubt be your first language. The only thing I would disagree with was the example of "Me go store." That is actually PSE, not ASL. ASL syntax would be simply, "Store, go."

Southern

ASL is superior, the other two are not true languages.

__________________
He thinks my tractor's sexy

shel90

Exactly! Many people seem not to understand that at all especially the educators who work with mainstreamed deaf/hoh children unless they had deaf studies or ed training/backgrounds. It has been so frustrating for me to explain this to them.

__________________
~Shel~

Banjo

Yes, SEE is only a manual code to visualize the language of English. ASL itself is a true language instead of a manual code.

Cheri

I haven't seen at least one deaf person who signed {Store, go} in ASL.

But, I pulled the ASL grammar, it says just the same I had say. {"GO-TO" sign, "ME GO-TO COLLEGE" it is still ASL, it is still a topic (ME) comment (GO-TO COLLEGE) grammar structure.}
http://www.lifeprint.com/asl101/page...t/grammar2.htm

__________________

jillio

Then you haven't been around many ASL signers. The me is implied by the signer doing the communicating. The sign {GO-TO} is one sign, not 2 signs sequentially as would be seen in SEE. "ME GO-TO COLLEGE" is still PSE syntax. ASL syntax would be {COLLEGE GO-TO}. The signer could then simply nod their head, or use the {ME} sign.