Oceanbreeze

You take after me? Sorry, dear, but no.

For one thing, screaming at someone/something it's my style. I seethe. Then, when I'm good and pissed off, I get back at the person!

Now, am I incorrigible? Hell, yes! I've got my mind made up that I'm going to be a certain way, and that's it, damn it. There's absolutely no trying to get me to change, because, it's simply not going to happen. Either you accept me as I am, or get the hell out of my damn face!

That's me .. You can either love me, or hate me. I really don't care. And, that's what makes me incorrigible.

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'Cause I don't think that they'd understand
When everything's made to be broken
I just want you to know who I am" ~Goo Goo Dolls Iris

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Brian

I do both ways.

But when it comes to sign language, I only use SEE and some PSE!

Cheri

I never saw that side of Malfy in person, I haven't seen her once screamed at her kids

So, Malfy you got another side of you?

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signer16

Um... the post is somewhat on topic, it does relate to communication.

First off, I voted for both, because I use both. I use sign with deafies, voice with hearies, and both if with both, (as I had to do today, SimCom is not my favorite thing, especially when trying to use ASL, even PSE gets complicated when speaking, all the conceptual acuracy...anyway, lol).

I "pah" went to CSUN today, my school for this fall, on a tour, and there were two deafies in the group with us with interpreters. Both had some oral skills, the girl's skills were pretty good, the guy's were ok. I understood him when he signed and spoke, and only sometimes if he just spoke. Anyway, when he asked a question, which he purposefully asked through the interpreter, he would often voice. I have noticed this with a few other deafies when they are using interpreters. Problem what? The interpreter is trying to talk OVER the deaf person, this can be really difficult. Sometimes the interpreter can't be heard, sometimes trying to focus through the sound is hard. Why do some deafies do this, is it just the habit of speaking with hearing people? Should the interpreters mention that this makes their job a lil bit harder? Just curious on your thoughts.

P.S. CSUN was great! Kinda cold today but it is a NICE campus, it has the biggest library I have ever seen, it looked like the size of the Supreme Court. Other than that it was still cool, didn't get a chance to see the NCOD though, (snaps fingers)

Shiva

I vote for both. Signer to answer your question why do some deaf people sign and use voice sametime. I can give you answer, I use my voice when use sign language to my brother or mother all the time because they cant understand sign language perfectly without hear voice sometimes there is signs that may have same sign but different meanings. They need me to use voice when sign. I dont know why but that how they get used to it. I dont use voice when talk to interpreter or anywhere outside when use sign and voice same time. BUT I do lot of oral when am around hearings especially at work since I am only deaf there. At one of my old job that I used to work for, They sometimes called me whenever deaf customer ask for help or when the employee try to explain something to them. I had to interpret for deaf even I am full deaf and know what they say because I can read lips most of times. Lot of deaf people couldnt understand by lip read sometimes even some dont do lip read at all.

Lot of hearing people dont undestand why some deafies scream even when deaf person didnt know they did scream. I have always got on for screaming when I was not aware of it because I have no acknowledges of how control my voice. Lot of time I dont feel my voice but they say I did scream. IT surely get on my nerves when they say I scream when I didnt know I did.

deafdyke

That's exactly why I am anti-oral only. It's too fucking hard to know how to modulate your voice! I mean most of the time I talk OK, but a lot of times, like when I'm tired, upset or stressed emoitionally my voice goes all over the place! I can't count the number of times that I've been yelled at in the libary b/c I thought I was talking softly but was in actuallity talking loudly.

signer16

Shiva, thank you for answering my question. I TOTALLY understand using voice and sign to communicate when not using an interpreter, or talking with both deaf and hearing people. I find it somewhat difficult to do, but sometimes it is the best thing. It is only when using an interpreter that speaking can get complicated, because an interpreter has to interpret what you r saying, and some times a deaf person's voice isn't clear, so whether the interpreter voices over the deaf person or not, the message doesn't get across.

I realize that deaf people can't always modulate their voices, it would be kinda hard to know how loud u r when you can't hear yourself, (duh, seems like an obvious concept). I'm sorry ppl get on ur case for screaming, that's just... stupid. Personally, I usually prefer that in communication, at least at first, deafies don't voice. I am learning sign, and my receptive skills are pretty good. I usually don't like deafies to voice for 1 of 2 reasons:

1. I want to learn sign, and if I hear a clear voice, I automatically depend on that instead of the signs. I don't want to, but I can't help it, it happens.
2. This is not meant offensively to anyone, but as I said to Meg, I believe, in another thread, deafies voices often times sound like the voices of mentally retarded people. Now, I can almost always tell the difference, I have heard enough deafie voices, but that thought still comes to mind; the less clear the voice, the more that message comes acros. I KNOW deafies have the same intelligence level as hearies, and that is what I want to see, and if they sign more fluently than that speak, I would prefer to use that as my way to communicate so I can more accurately judge their intelligence when I meet them. Does that make sense?
I mean, deaf voices don't bother me, I am quite used to them, I love hearing the way someone speaks after getting to know them. But with anyone, I want to use the best communication method possible, and if it is sign instead of speech, I prefer sign. Once I have gotten to know somone, I do want to hear their voice, and I find it cool and fun to hear them speak.
That said, lol, there is a deaf teacher at my school, who apparently voices very well, but he will NOT voice on campus. His English is EXTREMELY good, he's 5th generation deaf, and he fluently in both in PSE and ASL. So many students want him to voice, just because people get curious when they haven't heard someone's voice. He is a CEO of a company, where he both speaks and signs, so if a student REALLY wanted to hear his voice, they could visit him at his office, or call and hear it, (he voices while an interpreter signs) but nobody has. There is such a respect for him, I guess people feel they don't NEED to hear it. There is some, I hate to say this, but some vulnerability and weakness in hearing a deaf person speak,... I don't know, I can't explain it. I don't know if I'm making any sense, I don't want to offend anyone, but that's just me being brutally honest.